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| Re: The real Nod artillery [message #260914 is a reply to message #260509] |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 24 May 2007 03:00 |
| Viking wrote on Thu, 24 May 2007 09:32 |
ROFL!! In real life the armor stops the bullet! 
Also it dose not do 60 damage in 1 hit would need to hit something important? A tire?
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Well, a real life ramjet (some sort of .50 cal sniper rifle) could surely create some problems for an apache I think. Since the armor will not be that thick, chances are that a bullet would penetrate it.
The biggest problem wit hthe sniper rifle is that the bullets are (of course) unguided, thus you would need to take the travel time into ammount, and since the apache is also moving, you need to be an excelent sniper to hit one of those things at a relatively weak spot, like the cabin glass.
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Cabin glass is not a weak spot. While cabin glass is armored...they are designed so the incoming slugs just deflect. Penetration is possible under certain conditions but the chances of disabling the crew are very slim. Plus, if you miss, then they will be alerted to your presence.
If I were a sniper with a respectable anti-material rifle (I prefer the M82A1), the place to hit in a helicopter would be the rotorhead and/or the rear rotor blades. These would be armored ofcourse but not by that much.
You get the rotorhead and you have a good chance of just killing the chopper...if you hit the rear rotors and damage it, then the chopper will spin out of control and crash.
But as you said, skill is needed but if can be done and has been done. Helicopters are very fragile machines (even the military ones).
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This is the rifle I was talking about. It is made specifically for anti-material applications:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m82.htm
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| Re: The real Nod artillery [message #261040 is a reply to message #260914] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 16:01 |
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| BuzzOfTheStar wrote on Sat, 26 May 2007 16:09 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 24 May 2007 03:00 |
| Viking wrote on Thu, 24 May 2007 09:32 |
ROFL!! In real life the armor stops the bullet!
Also it dose not do 60 damage in 1 hit would need to hit something important? A tire?
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Well, a real life ramjet (some sort of .50 cal sniper rifle) could surely create some problems for an apache I think. Since the armor will not be that thick, chances are that a bullet would penetrate it.
The biggest problem wit hthe sniper rifle is that the bullets are (of course) unguided, thus you would need to take the travel time into ammount, and since the apache is also moving, you need to be an excelent sniper to hit one of those things at a relatively weak spot, like the cabin glass.
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Cabin glass is not a weak spot. While cabin glass is armored...they are designed so the incoming slugs just deflect. Penetration is possible under certain conditions but the chances of disabling the crew are very slim. Plus, if you miss, then they will be alerted to your presence.
If I were a sniper with a respectable anti-material rifle (I prefer the M82A1), the place to hit in a helicopter would be the rotorhead and/or the rear rotor blades. These would be armored ofcourse but not by that much.
You get the rotorhead and you have a good chance of just killing the chopper...if you hit the rear rotors and damage it, then the chopper will spin out of control and crash.
But as you said, skill is needed but if can be done and has been done. Helicopters are very fragile machines (even the military ones).
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This is the rifle I was talking about. It is made specifically for anti-material applications:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m82.htm
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well, it still is problematic to hit any of those things actually. I wonder how thick the apaches armor is and if hat weapon could penetrate it. It can't have to much armour, because then it wouldnt even come off the ground  .
Also, I think the cabins armoured glass would still be weaker then the rotorhead and sizzle.
Easiest thing would be to get a fast and powerfull machie gun and hit it with that as much as possible 
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| Re: The real Nod artillery [message #261124 is a reply to message #260355] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 03:46 |
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yeah but the mammoth tank have
2x120mm APDS
2xRocket Pods
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| Re: The real Nod artillery [message #262100 is a reply to message #260435] |
Wed, 30 May 2007 19:44 |
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| MexPirate wrote on Wed, 23 May 2007 17:18 |
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The cannon is supplied with 1,200 rounds of ammunition and has a maximum rate of fire of 650 rounds per minute. Its 30 millimeter ammunition is compatible with the British Aden and French DEFA 30 millimeter cannon. The usual ammunition is the "M789 High-Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP)" round, which features an armor-piercing hollow charge with a fragmenting case. The HEDP round can penetrate 5 centimeters (2 inches) of rolled steel armor.
The Apache's primary external armament is the laser-guided AGM-114 Hellfire antitank missile, with a stated range of 8 kilometers (5 miles). The initial Army variant of the missile, the AGM-114A, soon gave way to the improved AGM-114C model. The Apache can carry a rack for four Hellfires on each stores pylon, giving a maximum warload of 16 Hellfires.
Another common load are 19-round 70 millimeter (2.75 inch) "Hydra 70" unguided rocket pods. The rockets can be fitted with armor-piercing, general-purpose blast-fragmentation, flechette anti-personnel, smoke, illumination, or training warheads. Although unguided, the gunner can set fuzing options for the rocket warheads to provide a range of options for attacking different classes of targets -- contact detonation for targets in the open, delayed detonation for targets under cover, and timed detonation for "enfilade" attacks on targets hidden by terrain or other obstacles.
The crew's primary interface to these sensor and targeting systems is the "Integrated Helmet And Display Sight System (IHADSS)", an early and somewhat bulky "smart helmet" with radio, laser-protective visor, and a "Helmet Display Unit (HDU)" known informally as the "hoodoo". TADS and PNVS can be "slaved" to the helmets, meaning the sensor (and, for TADS the laser target designator) follows the movement of the helmets. The Chain Gun can track TADS as well, which is logical since TADS is a sighting system.
The key improvement over the A-variant is the AN/APG-78 Longbow dome installed over the main rotor which houses a millimeter-wave Fire Control Radar (FCR) target acquisition system. The elevated position of the radome allows detection and (arcing) missile engagement of targets even when the helicopter itself is concealed by an obstacle (e.g. terrain, trees or buildings). Further, a radio modem integrated with the sensor suite allows a D-variant Apache to share targeting data with other AH-64Ds that do not have a line-of-sight to the target. In this manner a group of Apaches can engage multiple targets but only reveal the radome of one D-variant Apache.
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It automatically detects and prioritises targets in range, you look and it aims for you and you can blow someone up from 5 miles away over obstacles whilst letting your mates know where the bad guys are from concealed locations.
That's pretty sweet imo.
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I think that some Afgan with an AK-47 or and Ak-74 can hit one of those bombs on the Apache.
Seriously people how can you fight a war on terrorism with all of your borders wide open!
The Goverment Has Failed All Of You.
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| Re: The real Nod artillery [message #262124 is a reply to message #262100] |
Wed, 30 May 2007 22:10 |
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Well said, trash300!
All this technology for what? That's what the Afgans and the Iraqi insurgents are doing.
This week they shot down 2 helicopters already...a Kiowa and a Chinook all with AK-47's and other assault rifles.
Long gone are the days of symmetrical warfare. Now a thousand dollar rocket can destroy a 4 million dollar tank in one shot.
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| Re: The real Nod artillery [message #262198 is a reply to message #262144] |
Thu, 31 May 2007 06:01 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 03:30 |
don't forget that the americans first delivered the stingers to the taliban / al quaida...
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Yes, but it was the stupid Soviets who had to invade Afganistan in 1979 and made those ordinary Afghan farmers and shepherds into bloodthirsty fighters.
The Afghans were already engaged in a gruesome insurgency against the Soviets...America only gave the Stingers in 1986 to shoot down the Soviet Hind gunships (the mujadhedeen called it "Satan's Chariot" because they were helpless against it).
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| Re: The real Nod artillery [message #262267 is a reply to message #260355] |
Thu, 31 May 2007 13:38 |
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