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Interesting thing developing up here in Canada regarding those wishing to acquire gun licenses. Yes, the Virginia Tech incident was mentioned as a reason.

I don't mean this as an insult, but to those Americans who wish to respond, keep the "Guns are our right" stuff out of it. That is solely an American right, and does not apply to Canadian law.

Basically those all new licenses will require a face-to-face interview with the chief firearms officer of their respective Province.

http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=10f71549-7eea-44e3-b6fd-c9 f7ac4055f3

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Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #254704 is a reply to message #254697] Thu, 19 April 2007 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Awesome! They can SMOKE OUT any prospective killer at the interview!

But the thing is, Warranto, will it be effective? See, I am no criminal but if I was one, I would not go to that interview...lol! I would try to get a gun from a second-hand seller.

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Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #254705 is a reply to message #254697] Thu, 19 April 2007 09:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok so how intense or how long is this one on one talk going to be? or how indepth is it going to be? plus do you think a criminal will actually go to this? i mean obviously not. and how good is this person that conducts this interview will be. best i see fit is either a psychaetrist or a senior or retired policemen since they would see peoples character pretty well.

anyways im very skeptical when it comes to this.

also while we are on this warranto have you heard of the "guardian angels" they are planning on implementing here.
basically its going to be well trained (physically trained not law or policies trained) thugs on the streets that have the same authority as police but no education. and these guys are supposedly going to help curb the rising violence in here?!
if anything i can see them being a contribution to it rather then the solution. i mean what we really need is more plicemen not armed thugs with as much education as a bouncer.
i dunno if calgary is going to have those guys but edmonton seems to be going that way...
Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #254715 is a reply to message #254697] Thu, 19 April 2007 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Calgary took them in openly.

They are already established here and have started training (some groups have already completed theirs, I think)
Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #254718 is a reply to message #254715] Thu, 19 April 2007 11:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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warranto wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 11:42

Calgary took them in openly.

They are already established here and have started training (some groups have already completed theirs, I think)



whats your opinion about that??
im assuming you already know mine lol
Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #254724 is a reply to message #254697] Thu, 19 April 2007 12:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Honestly, I think that's a fair law. Even if it were implemented here.

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Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #254733 is a reply to message #254724] Thu, 19 April 2007 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We have the same law over in the UK, UK has one of the worlds tightest gun laws in the world and its really effective.
Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #254794 is a reply to message #254733] Fri, 20 April 2007 03:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IWarriors wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 16:25

We have the same law over in the UK, UK has one of the worlds tightest gun laws in the world and its really effective.


I thought once you get your Firearms Certificate that was it. Providing you actually use the firearm in a legal manner for example going to a firing range. You do however have to inform the police and justify why you have the firearm otherwise it will be taken from you. I think you also have to check in to prove that you still have a use for it too. To be quite honest the Government are trying to make it pretty much impossible to use firearms legally here (the protocol you have to go through just to fire a weapon at a range is mind boggling). I am not sure however if the same applies to shotguns as they are a lot more widespread with more legitimate reasons to use them (hunting and so on). Even with all this if you have got someone who is out of their mind they will do whatever they want to harm people. I similar (scaled down) situation happened in the UK some years ago. So even having really tight gun laws will not solve the problem but it will make it a hell of a lot easier to manage.
Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #254812 is a reply to message #254718] Fri, 20 April 2007 06:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Romaner wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 12:25

warranto wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 11:42

Calgary took them in openly.

They are already established here and have started training (some groups have already completed theirs, I think)



whats your opinion about that??
im assuming you already know mine lol



I think it's a good idea, but one that should be closely monitored. There is no problem with a group of people acting as 'interim police" until the real authorities can be contacted and arrive, but I don't think they should be given free range to enforce laws to the exclusion of the police.

(Not saying that's what they do, just stating how far I'm willing to accept it)
Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #255433 is a reply to message #254704] Tue, 24 April 2007 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IronBalls wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 13:28

Awesome! They can SMOKE OUT any prospective killer at the interview!

But the thing is, Warranto, will it be effective? See, I am no criminal but if I was one, I would not go to that interview...lol! I would try to get a gun from a second-hand seller.




Of course someone planning on commiting murder is probably less likely to go. That's obviously part of the reasoning behind this, so that if something like the VT shooting does happen the Canadian government can't be held responsible for essentially giving them that "license to kill".

I think this is a good move, considering the alternative was probably an outright ban on certain types of weapons.


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Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #255460 is a reply to message #254724] Tue, 24 April 2007 12:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gbull wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 15:43

Honestly, I think that's a fair law. Even if it were implemented here.

They better freakin not implement it here, this is the U.S. of A. and it is our RIGHT to own guns!

K but back on topic about the Canadian law, I really don't think it's gonna be too effective on anything. Sure it might screen prospective troublemakers, but most people buy guns for either hunting or self-defense. Most careful criminals have MANY other ways of getting guns that circumvent the law.

It doesn't really matter where you are, as long as there are criminals who want to make trouble, they will find a way to get a gun, even if the law outlaws them 100%. Therefore, it's my view that if you take away guns from the public, you are taking away the public's right to protect themselves.

Now I know this law is merely making it harder to get guns due to face-to-face interview, but I still don't think that's gonna do much.


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Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #255683 is a reply to message #254697] Wed, 25 April 2007 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You're missing the point. They wouldn't take our guns away, they would just require you to be sane to own one. Do YOU want an insane person handling a gun? If you're in favor of the mentally incompetent owning a gun then I'll rebut with a series of Ad Hominem replies Wink

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IWarriors wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 15:25

We have the same law over in the UK, UK has one of the worlds tightest gun laws in the world and its really effective.

what the fuck are you smoking...


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Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #256432 is a reply to message #254697] Sun, 29 April 2007 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh I bet the firearms chief is just gonna love all this extra paperwork. This won't do a thing except increase the already lengthy process by which PAL/POL certified people can access firearms. There is absolutely nothing that an interview with the FC will accomplish that won't already been painfully evident in your certification.

I bet this'll cost a few dozens of bucks to schedule as well. Oh well, I'm already a gun owner here so this doesn't affect me in the slightest.



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Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #256492 is a reply to message #255683] Mon, 30 April 2007 07:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gbull wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 13:20

You're missing the point. They wouldn't take our guns away, they would just require you to be sane to own one. Do YOU want an insane person handling a gun? If you're in favor of the mentally incompetent owning a gun then I'll rebut with a series of Ad Hominem replies Wink

Actually, if everybody was armed, it really wouldn't matter if an insane person had a firearm or not. Though, I do agree with restricting mentally ill people from owning a gun.

However, I don't think that this method would work. Criminals are criminals for a reason... they break the law. If they want a gun, and they've broken the law before with no disregard, what makes you think they're going to be stopped with these silly little interviews?

The only thing it's going to do, as Java said, is make it a lengthier process and probably add cost, making it harder for law-abiding citizens to own a gun.

Face it, gun control laws don't work because all they do is keep weapons out of the hands of law-abiding citizens. Sure, there are a few loose cannons that go on rampages, and they own a gun legally. The only fix to that is to outlaw all guns. However, there's one HUGE, glaring flaw to that... doesn't stop the criminals. In fact, it'd give criminals even more incentive to break the law because the only people who can bring arms up against them would be local law enforcement. There'd be no more danger from law-abiding citizens trying to protect themselves and their property.


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Re: New Canadian Gun Law [message #256601 is a reply to message #254697] Mon, 30 April 2007 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hurray another Canadian boondoggle

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DarkDemin wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 00:44

Hurray another Canadian boondoggle


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