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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html

Jesus... The bastard got 31, then popped a cap into his own skull.

I wonder if this is terrorist related?

Edit: I believe I just heard on TV that there was 2 additional deaths.

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(CNN) -- A lone gunman is dead after officials said he killed at least 31 people Monday during shootings in a dorm and a building housing classrooms at Virginia Tech, making it the deadliest school attack in U.S. history.

Officials said the shooting incidents occurred two hours apart.

Attorney General Bob McDonnell confirmed the death toll and said, "That's the best information that I've got from the law enforcement officers who are on the scene."

It was not clear if the gunman was killed by police or if he took his own life.

"Some victims were shot in a classroom," university police Chief Wendell Flinchum said. (Watch the police chief explain where bodies were found Video)

Spokespersons for hospitals in Roanoke, Christiansburg, Blacksburg and Salem told CNN they were treating 29 people from the shootings.

Sharon Honaker with Carilion New River Medical Center in Christiansburg said one of the four gunshot victims being treated there was in critical condition.

Scott Hill, a spokesman for Montgomery Regional Hospital in Blacksburg, where 17 wounded students were taken, said he wasn't expecting any more victims.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said university President Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified." (Map of Blacksburg)

The killings mark the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history, surpassing attacks at Columbine High School in 1999 and at the University of Texas in 1966.

One person was killed and others were wounded at multiple locations inside a dormitory about 7:15 a.m., Flinchum said. Two hours later, another shooting at Norris Hall -- the engineering science and mechanics building -- resulted in multiple casualties, the university reported. (Campus map)

The first reported shooting occurred at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a coed dormitory that houses 895 students. The dormitory, one of the largest residence halls on the 2,600-acre campus, is located near the drill field and stadium.

Amie Steele, editor-in-chief of the campus newspaper, said one of her reporters at the dormitory reported "mass chaos."

The reporter said there were "lots of students running around, going crazy, and the police officers were trying to settle everyone down and keep everything under control," according to Steele. (Watch police, ambulances hustle to the scene Video)

Kristyn Heiser said she was in class about 9:30 a.m. when she and her classmates saw about six gun-wielding police officers run by a window.

"We were like, 'What's going on?' Because this definitely is a quaint town where stuff doesn't really happen. It's pretty boring here," said Heiser during a phone interview as she sat on her classroom floor.

Another student, Tiffany Otey, said she and her classmates initially thought the gunshots were construction noise until they heard screaming and police officers with bulletproof vests and machine guns entered her classroom.

"They were telling us to put our hands above our head and if we didn't cooperate and put our hands above our heads they would shoot," Otey said. "I guess they were afraid, like us, like the shooter was going to be among one of us."
Student reports 'mayhem'

Student Matt Waldron said he did not hear the gunshots because he was listening to music, but he heard police sirens and saw officers hiding behind trees with their guns drawn.

"They told us to get out of there so we ran across the drill field as quick as we could," he said.

Waldron described the scene on campus as "mayhem." (Watch a student's recording of police responding to loud bangs Video)

"It was kind of scary," he said. "These two kids I guess had panicked and jumped out of the top-story window and the one kid broke his ankle and the other girl was not in good shape just lying on the ground."

Madison Van Duyne said she and her classmates in a media writing class were on "lockdown" in their classrooms. They were huddled in the middle of the classroom, writing stories about the shootings and posting them online.

The university is updating its more than 26,000 students through e-mails, and an Internet webcam is broadcasting live pictures of the campus.

The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported.




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Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254293 is a reply to message #254284] Mon, 16 April 2007 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Doubt it was terrorist. Probably just a deranged kid who was having problems.

All I can say is that it's a terrible tragedy.


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Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254296 is a reply to message #254284] Mon, 16 April 2007 14:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow, Ol' Jack was quick to get on this to earn a little more hate and attention.

Seriously, though. It sucks that this happened.
Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254297 is a reply to message #254284] Mon, 16 April 2007 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What a fucking prick. Those 29 or so in the hospital will probably mostly die, too.

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Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254302 is a reply to message #254297] Mon, 16 April 2007 15:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The latest report says 32 deaths and 29 injured. I hope they identify the killer.

PS: What the hell is wrong with this idiot Jack? I thought he had a point but to make such blatant lies...especially when we don't even have the ID on the killer is plain arrogance.
Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254303 is a reply to message #254284] Mon, 16 April 2007 15:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I hope he's getting his just deserves in hell.

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Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254331 is a reply to message #254284] Mon, 16 April 2007 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That anyone would jump out and start leeching publicity off any tragedy, let alone one that has affected so many, at all- let alone mere hours afterwards- is disgusting. Making claims about the cause of today's shootings at this stage could prove extremely detrimental to the investigation- IMHO, Jack ought to be arrested on at least an obstruction charge, because he's doing nothing but harm by opening his foul maw.

I speak for the whole of Eckerd College in sending my condolences out to the friends and families of those who died. I hope that the truth is uncovered soon and that they will find some closure in it.


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Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254334 is a reply to message #254284] Mon, 16 April 2007 21:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The first thing I thought is how you allow someone to kill 30 people without trying to do something about it. There were roughly 10,000 people on campus and a fairly decent amount of them in the immediate area and you are telling me there was no one there with enough balls to rush the guy?

I thought it was crazy that columbine was allowed to happen. My schools have always had at least one cop/sheriff/deputy in them with a gun. There are people I know, including myself, who would instantly think to attack the guy shooting at us in any way possible. It takes time to kill 30 people.


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Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254336 is a reply to message #254284] Mon, 16 April 2007 21:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your first instinct is survival. Plus, the guy was obviously very accurate and lethal with his shots. It seems that he didn't fire too many rounds, but he did quite a bit of damage with just a couple of handguns.

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Their thought that the students would be safer in the classes is just ridiculous. You put everyone in the dorms and you lock the doors. That's what you do. Had that been the case he woulda come on campus to a ghost town. And the police on site probably would have said, hey why is that asian kid outside when everyone is locked inside? Searched him, bam.

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Nodbugger wrote on Mon, 16 April 2007 23:25

The first thing I thought is how you allow someone to kill 30 people without trying to do something about it. There were roughly 10,000 people on campus and a fairly decent amount of them in the immediate area and you are telling me there was no one there with enough balls to rush the guy?

I thought it was crazy that columbine was allowed to happen. My schools have always had at least one cop/sheriff/deputy in them with a gun. There are people I know, including myself, who would instantly think to attack the guy shooting at us in any way possible. It takes time to kill 30 people.

It's easy to say this when you're sat at home safely in front of your computer.


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Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254359 is a reply to message #254284] Tue, 17 April 2007 04:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Most people have a self preservation instinct that overrides logical judgement. If a guy has a gun in each hand and is killing people, you are going to be ducking and scrambling to get out of the way, and most probably scared shitless.
Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254363 is a reply to message #254359] Tue, 17 April 2007 05:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In all this, why did the moneymongers who run VA Tech NOT cancel classes?

A shooting, whether fatal or not, is a very serious issue.
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Some good news though, ALL of the injured people are now listed in stable condition and are expected to survive.

(Last I heard on the radio)
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And the shooter was a 23 year old South Korean guy who was studying English.

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Officials thought first incident was isolated

Asked why the campus, which has more than 26,000 students, was not shut down after the first shooting, Flinchum responded that police determined "it was an isolated event to that building and the decision was made not to cancel classes at that time."


There's a fucking gunman running around! It doesn't matter if it's isolated to one building, you shut the whole campus down.


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IronBalls wrote on Tue, 17 April 2007 08:47

In all this, why did the moneymongers who run VA Tech NOT cancel classes?

A shooting, whether fatal or not, is a very serious issue.


That is still my strongest question....

I will say it again:

If a building can be emptied out in 5 minutes or less for a fire drill,

why can't a university campus be cleared or put into lockdown in 2 hours???

I am going back to school in about 2 weeks....I sure hope this has smartened up my school if they were lacking in regards to their policies regarding these sort of incidents.

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Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254423 is a reply to message #254284] Tue, 17 April 2007 14:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's a big stretch to believe the someone would kill two people in a dorm and then go randomly kill a shitload of students. If someone kills two people where they live and then leaves, it would be better to assume that the killer was getting the fuck out of town to avoid law enforcement, not that he was going to commit the biggest massacre of its kind in US history.

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Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254460 is a reply to message #254284] Tue, 17 April 2007 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's still no excuse. That campus should have been shut down at least for the day. A shooting anywhere on campus warrants cancellation. VT really dropped the ball.

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gbull wrote on Tue, 17 April 2007 21:16

VT really dropped the ball.


And paid for it with the lives of innocents.
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j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 17 April 2007 00:41

Your first instinct is survival. Plus, the guy was obviously very accurate and lethal with his shots. It seems that he didn't fire too many rounds, but he did quite a bit of damage with just a couple of handguns.



Witnesses say he just randomly fired and was not aiming at all. The point is he had to have reloaded at least once and no one took the chance to jump him. If I heard guns shots in class I would immediately stick my head out of the door to see if it was in the hall way, if it wasn't I would get everyone out of the class and outside, if possible, other wise I would lock and barricade the door. If the shooter was in the immediate area I would close the door or watch him to wait for a chance to take him down.

That is just how I think. I know what gun fire sounds like and I know how to react to it when in different places. At an FTX with ROTC I was one of the few people who didn't jump every time the people at the range started firing again.

Here is my list of who to blame.

1. The shooter.
2. The school.
3. The students in the immediate area.

The fact that he had to kill him self is the worst part about it.


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Look, when someone shoots a gun at you, you don't run at them. It's against human nature. Also, who is to say what the surroundings were like? You're presuming all of these people are cowards when I doubt you'd even practice what you preach in the given situation. Also, there are many other factors to consider even if you were thinking logically, which you wouldn't be:

Rush and Risk dying:
Leave behind girlfriend/fiancee/wife
Leave behind child

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If my fiancee was with me, sure i'd try to stop him if I was thinking logically. Otherwise I'd be picking her up and hauling ass out of there.


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Re: Virginia Tech Massacre [message #254520 is a reply to message #254518] Wed, 18 April 2007 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nodbugger wrote on Wed, 18 April 2007 09:51




If the shooter was in the immediate area I would close the door or watch him to wait for a chance to take him down.





Yeah, I would truly like to see you do that when he would have no problem with shooting you in the face once reloaded. How many people in the firing range were firing AT people?

I have also been at a firing range quite a bit but that doesn't mean anything when there is a madman about popping bullets at people. I am pretty sure you would close the door and wait until the shooter left the vicinity and not jump out and be the hero.

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Actully he killed 32 students/teachers and himself making it 33 kills total. I feel really bad now, cause today theres a bomb threat in a building right next door to all the killings, but thats what you get when you suspect someone is insane but dont do much to help but reffer them, usually people insane think their ok and dont need help.....so someone needed to kinda push him to help, but not force....but then again, he chose to do this.

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