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Re: Surveillance [message #252087 is a reply to message #251737]

Wed, 28 March 2007 12:04

cheesesoda
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Just more proof that the Republiecans want to grow the government just as much as Demorats. Demorats want to give up our liberties for "equality" an Republiecans want to give up our liberties in the name of "safety".

As Benjamin Franklin once said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety".

The fact of the matter is the POLICE spied on people with no probable cause. I'm sorry, but that's not how it works. You need probable cause for the government to spy on you. There's no argument on that "well, this prevents terrorists from doing harm". You're wrong. The government is going to have enough red flags thrown up on some shady activity from would-be terrorists that they'd have plenty of probable cause to spy on them. Only then should they be allowed to tail someone.

If you're a group and think that your opposition might be planning something, that's not probable cause. There is much more needed for something to be considered probable cause. Spying on public gatherings doesn't take a police officer to do, so why bring them in?

As much as I hate Demorats, they had no right to be spied on.

whoa.

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		Surveillance By: ron paul on Mon, 26 March 2007 09:49
		Re: Surveillance By: puddle_splasher on Mon, 26 March 2007 11:22
		Re: Surveillance By: Crusader on Mon, 26 March 2007 11:58
		Re: Surveillance By: ron paul on Mon, 26 March 2007 12:13
		Re: Surveillance By: Crusader on Mon, 26 March 2007 13:39
		Re: Surveillance By: ron paul on Mon, 26 March 2007 13:47
		Re: Surveillance By: Crusader on Mon, 26 March 2007 13:50
		Re: Surveillance By: ron paul on Mon, 26 March 2007 14:07
		Re: Surveillance By: Blazer on Mon, 26 March 2007 15:50
		Re: Surveillance By: Blazer on Mon, 26 March 2007 15:53
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Mon, 26 March 2007 17:47
		Re: Surveillance By: Blazer on Mon, 26 March 2007 22:46
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Tue, 27 March 2007 06:15
		Re: Surveillance By: Blazer on Wed, 28 March 2007 03:57
		Re: Surveillance By: Crusader on Wed, 28 March 2007 07:44
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Wed, 28 March 2007 12:04
		Re: Surveillance By: Blazer on Wed, 28 March 2007 16:54
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Wed, 28 March 2007 17:35
		Re: Surveillance By: Blazer on Wed, 28 March 2007 18:33
		Re: Surveillance By: Doitle on Fri, 30 March 2007 22:56
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Sat, 31 March 2007 07:11
		Re: Surveillance By: Doitle on Sat, 31 March 2007 10:30
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Sat, 31 March 2007 15:00
		Re: Surveillance By: PlastoJoe on Sat, 31 March 2007 22:46
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Sat, 31 March 2007 23:08
		Re: Surveillance By: jnz on Sun, 01 April 2007 06:53
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Sun, 01 April 2007 07:39
		Re: Surveillance By: jnz on Sun, 01 April 2007 08:50
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Sun, 01 April 2007 10:06
		Re: Surveillance By: Doitle on Sun, 01 April 2007 11:36
		Re: Surveillance By: jnz on Sun, 01 April 2007 11:52
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Sun, 01 April 2007 15:53
		Re: Surveillance By: jnz on Sun, 01 April 2007 16:17
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Sun, 01 April 2007 16:37
		Re: Surveillance By: jnz on Sun, 01 April 2007 17:05
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Sun, 01 April 2007 17:10
		Re: Surveillance By: jnz on Sun, 01 April 2007 18:30
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Sun, 01 April 2007 19:14
		Re: Surveillance By: PlastoJoe on Sun, 01 April 2007 23:11
		Re: Surveillance By: cheesesoda on Mon, 02 April 2007 06:07
		Re: Surveillance By: ron paul on Mon, 02 April 2007 07:54

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