| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2389] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 03:32  |
SHADY-CNCU
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http://www.cncuprising.com/Shady1/blazer.JPG
^^^ that is what happens when two WOL'ers invade a GameSpy server...
the map was mesa btw
Never Say Die!!!
I am a Renegade Beta Tester; feel free to ask me questions.
"Never EVER...put handcuffs on your girlfriend if you don't know EXACTLY where the keys are."
If anything in this life is certain; if history has taught us anything, it's that you can kill anyone.
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2390] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 03:37  |
PiMuRho
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What exactly are we supposed to be looking at? Blazer got MVP with 1200 points more than the second-placed person, you came in quite a mediocre position. Hardly constitutes any kind of 0wnage, does it?
The difference between Gamespy and WOL servers is a couple of lines in the server config. Nothing more.
(That's one of my servers, by the way)
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2391] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 03:43 |
SHADY-CNCU
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blazer = med tank the whole game...
me = infantry the whole game and i was laggin like a mofo....
Never Say Die!!!
I am a Renegade Beta Tester; feel free to ask me questions.
"Never EVER...put handcuffs on your girlfriend if you don't know EXACTLY where the keys are."
If anything in this life is certain; if history has taught us anything, it's that you can kill anyone.
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2393] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 03:48 |
PiMuRho
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O..k...
I still don't understand what you're trying to show there. It certainly doesn't show anything to do with WOL over Gamespy.
Anyway, the BYgames servers tend to be n00b-free, thanks to the admins who enforce our anti-n00b rules. We've also got a good bunch of regulars who are actually good at the game.
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2394] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 03:53 |
SHADY-CNCU
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we noticed that they removed some b2b'ers in the next round on islands...
i dunno... it was a really good round for a couple of us.. not that often that you score that well.. especially since blazer was moving arround all the time and not point whoring on the PP
Never Say Die!!!
I am a Renegade Beta Tester; feel free to ask me questions.
"Never EVER...put handcuffs on your girlfriend if you don't know EXACTLY where the keys are."
If anything in this life is certain; if history has taught us anything, it's that you can kill anyone.
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2404] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 04:48 |
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http://www.n00bstories.com/image.view.php?id=2096839145
Just another 'ownage' screenshot on gayspy
I wouldnt bother but when I load GameSpy and join the renegade room the first thing i saw was "WOL n00bs" and "whys stupid wol chatting here".
Why are gamespy players not as good as WOL players?
Theres no ranking system on GameSpy. No stats on players, or servers ... Theres hardly even any servers on GameSpy.. and at that the ones they DO have suck.
Ya got all these clanners on GameSpy that use their nickname as identity
when theres absolutely no organization or treat for the 'clans' or the winning side of a 'clan match'.
These are just the facts; how the facts effect the situation is this:
Ranking systems give players MORE to work on besides just pointless game to game rolls. So alot of people point whore... THen ya get better at point whoring.. and better and better till your actually a decent tank operator wanting to point whore. Snipers like the ranks also.
One of the main things is .. GOOD players want to be recognized. Atleast most of them do.. Cuz the good players have no fucking life. When you have a job you want benefits .. WOL's ranking system is the bebefits therefore you get the better players that move into WOL .. "The Works"
Thats just logical and common sense shit there.
I know when i go on gamespy and i start running down the isle with a auto rifle .. killing 3 or 4 patches in a row or whatever .. i just think to myself god these people suck. If i was on WOL I'm just another player that shit doesn't cut it.
FACT IS GAMESPY AKA GAYSPY CAN SUCK DEEZ NUTZ
WOL ownz j00
fjeer the sheep
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2406] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 04:53 |
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That few lines on coding in the server config makes all the difference to me and i am sure it does to a lot of other people, game spy is lame....
Start playing on REOL i will when i get home from college tonight
Snipefrag - Br20 Cr5 - TR Emerald
Planetside Chapter Commander - Archangels
http://www.archangelsclan.net
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2412] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 05:05 |
PiMuRho
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http://www.n00bstories.com/image.view.php?id=2096839145
Just another 'ownage' screenshot on gayspy
I wouldnt bother but when I load GameSpy and join the renegade room the first thing i saw was "WOL n00bs" and "whys stupid wol chatting here".
Why are gamespy players not as good as WOL players?
Theres no ranking system on GameSpy. No stats on players, or servers ... Theres hardly even any servers on GameSpy.. and at that the ones they DO have suck.
Ya got all these clanners on GameSpy that use their nickname as identity
when theres absolutely no organization or treat for the 'clans' or the winning side of a 'clan match'.
These are just the facts; how the facts effect the situation is this:
Ranking systems give players MORE to work on besides just pointless game to game rolls. So alot of people point whore... THen ya get better at point whoring.. and better and better till your actually a decent tank operator wanting to point whore. Snipers like the ranks also.
One of the main things is .. GOOD players want to be recognized. Atleast most of them do.. Cuz the good players have no fucking life. When you have a job you want benefits .. WOL's ranking system is the bebefits therefore you get the better players that move into WOL .. "The Works"
Thats just logical and common sense shit there.
I know when i go on gamespy and i start running down the isle with a auto rifle .. killing 3 or 4 patches in a row or whatever .. i just think to myself god these people suck. If i was on WOL I'm just another player that shit doesn't cut it.
FACT IS GAMESPY AKA GAYSPY CAN SUCK DEEZ NUTZ
WOL ownz j00
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That's an 'ownage' shot? You had less than 200 points more than the second-placed player. Hardly 'ownage'. Plus the teams weren't exactly balanced, were they?
Ranking systems mean nothing. I'm a good player. I know I'm a good player. I don't play on WOL though, so in your eyes that makes me a crap player? Great logic there.
First of all - Gamespy chat rooms have absolutely nothing to do with Gamespy servers. I run 3 servers, and they stand alone in their own right. Gamespy is the client that people use to connect to the servers. Personally, I use ASE instead, as it is purely a server browser. So that's removed 90% of the n00bs right there. The rest are removed by my team of admins.
The quality of a server and the players on it varies from server to server, regardless of what mode it is. Or would you say that all WOL servers are better than Gamespy mode servers? I'm pretty damn sure that I could connect to a random WOL server, find it full of n00bs, and get MVP easily. By the same token, you could connect to a Gamespy server, and have your arse handed to you.
You also mention point whoring like it's a good thing. It's not. Renegade is a team game, not a "who can get the highest individual score" game, which is how rankings teach you to play.
I should add that not everyone needs to have their ego validated by knowing where they're ranked in the world. Personally, I like to go on a server, have a fun game or two, then leave. It's not a contest.
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2415] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 05:14 |
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Christ. You really expect the difference between WOL fanatics & GameSpy people to be that big? Funny, I didn't see that much in the transition between the two when I migrated to GS/ASE. And don't come bashing me stating I'm a second rate player or alike.
Personally I use ASE because it's more practical & I really don't feel the urge to chat with the 12 year olds that seem to frequent the GS rooms. But that doesn't imply there are no good players. They're around, believe me.
WOL: drsngls
GS/ASE: [-GG-] Dr. Snuggles
Clan: [-GG-] "Grabbarna Grus"
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2421] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 05:23 |
blckhaze1
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200 points from the guy closest... over 1000 from then on.
When you join a game and start kicking ass people say "fuck that" and leave. At the end of ANY game the loosing side will be smaller garenteed.
If your as good as you say you are you should know that.
And you seem to be obsessed with your '3 servers'. Have a cookie, you have a good connection. No merit to this conversation though... The owner of 3 sucky servers can't just come out and say "Hi!" and expect the servers to turn good.
And the few lines of code makes ALL the difference in devotion... Gamespy lacks in that department... causing the lack of experience and veteran skills.
And if your such a good player ... why are you on GameSpy??
Of do you just think your good because of all the n00bs on gamespy. Come to wol and get your ass kicked Mr BigDog 'ur so good you know ur good'
fjeer the sheep
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2428] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 05:36 |
PiMuRho
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200 points from the guy closest... over 1000 from then on.
When you join a game and start kicking ass people say "fuck that" and leave. At the end of ANY game the loosing side will be smaller garenteed.
If your as good as you say you are you should know that.
And you seem to be obsessed with your '3 servers'. Have a cookie, you have a good connection. No merit to this conversation though... The owner of 3 sucky servers can't just come out and say "Hi!" and expect the servers to turn good.
And the few lines of code makes ALL the difference in devotion... Gamespy lacks in that department... causing the lack of experience and veteran skills.
And if your such a good player ... why are you on GameSpy??
Of do you just think your good because of all the n00bs on gamespy. Come to wol and get your ass kicked Mr BigDog 'ur so good you know ur good'
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Oh please....
I run 3 servers as part of the UK's biggest Gaming Service Provider, which is why they're worthy of mention. You can't have been around very long, or you'd know that we also ran one of the first proper Renegade Tournaments last year, which had a whole host of WOL clans playing. You really ought to check your facts.
You call them "sucky" - yet I somehow doubt that you've ever been on them. Justify your comment, or whatever you say becomes worthless. Blazer and Shady both played on them last night. Do you see any negative comments? I don't.
I'm on Gamespy because I like playing on the servers I play on, with the people I know. I have nothing to prove to anyone (least of all you).
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2436] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 05:52 |
blckhaze1
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If your servers are good, then why mention them when i say most of gamespy's servers suck..? Was that just your chance to jump in and show off some? kina set a plot for yourself eh?
Justify my comments?
Justify your "i'm good, i know i'm good" and "connect to a Gamespy server, and have your arse handed to you"
Ofcourse you have nothing to prove to anyone..
So your words become "worthless"
fjeer the sheep
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2438] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 05:56 |
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This discussion is ridiculous. Some prefer GS over WOL and vice versa. Let's leave it at that.
WOL: drsngls
GS/ASE: [-GG-] Dr. Snuggles
Clan: [-GG-] "Grabbarna Grus"
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2441] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 06:08 |
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Anyway, the BYgames servers tend to be n00b-free, thanks to the admins who enforce our anti-n00b rules. We've also got a good bunch of regulars who are actually good at the game.
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No disrespect to your server(s) but it was quite full of n00bs. The guy named "SealTeam" was repeatedly repairing the enemy. He kept repairing the Nod harvester as a Hotwire, making it almost impossible to destroy. Then he took a mammoth tank and blocked the cave entrance so our harvey could not return. He also sat in the base, and if anyone got out of their vehicle, he would use the mammoth rockets to destroy it. If they got back in and tried to go behind the ref or something to repair, he would follow them and do the same thing. I also caught him out in the field repairing an enemy stealth tank.
I'm amazed that despite all his n00b behavior we still won. I played 3-4 more maps and had to put up with others doing n00bish things like throwing C4 on teammates, stealing vehicles, wasting C4, etc. On the Islands map he got a hotwire and kept throwing all 30 mines in one spot on the floor.
You seem to have taken Shadys comments as a personal attack against your servers. I think its general knowledge that GameSpy has more n00b players than WOL. What do I base this on?
1. Personal experience.
2. Their names. Their names you ask? Yes their names. Anyone who's playername is "FuckAllYouNiggers" (sorry folks, I'm not racist, real example), can hardly be considered a serious player. It's no coincidence that people with names like "JimmyCrackCorn-and-IDontCare" (another example) are just in the game to spend half an hour of mindless gameplay, and are not interested in teamwork or strategy.
3. A GSA vs WOL tournament has been held, more than twice and GSA's best was thoroughly trounced. No that wasn't a challenge, please don't start talking about rematches.
4. WOL is laddered. GSA has no ladder, and thus one less thing to urge players to actually try to win. Why try to better your score when its more fun seeing how many C4 you can plant on your teammates ass :rolleyes:
5. "Everyone else's" experiences. I have seen many posts about GSA games that reflect the same things I have seen and experienced.
6. People can play on GSA with warez versions of Renegade. GSA has no cd key authentication like WOL does, so all the 12 year old warez pups who downloaded C&CRenegade play it on GSA. I'm not making this up, I have seen the readme file for the warez release, and seen the warez pups talking about it. Sadly most of the warez pups are too busy downloading the next 31337-release to bother developing any teamwork or strategy skills.
I'm sure you run a fine server, and GameSpy itself is a good service. The consensus is that WOL players are better than GSA players. Of course there are exceptions on both sides, but as a whole it has been proven time and again that GSA has more n00b players.
EDIT: I just wanted to make it clear that I found the server itself excellent. Even though I was connecting from the US, the SFPS was consistent and no lag. Kudos to BYgames.
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2451] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 06:30 |
PiMuRho
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Thanks for the comments Blazer. Sorry you experienced the n00bs so much - we try to keep them to a minimum.
The whole GSA v WOL thing only pisses me off because of some of the prevailing attitudes - that any GSA servers automatically crap. I've worked extremely hard since before Renegade was released (we ran a beta server too) to run a decent set of servers, which we do. However, some morons automatically think they're bad because they're not WOL. I don't care who has the "better" players.
Odd about the CD-key thing though - I seem to recall from my email conversations with Steve-WS that Gamespy servers still required CD-key authentication (that part being handled by Renegade itself before it allows you to connect) I'll have to investigate that.
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2457] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 06:37 |
PiMuRho
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If your servers are good, then why mention them when i say most of gamespy's servers suck..? Was that just your chance to jump in and show off some? kina set a plot for yourself eh?
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As I run Gamespy servers (and they're the ones I play on), they're obviously going to be the ones I refer to. Surely that should be obvious, even to you. You can only go off your personal experience.
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Justify my comments?
Justify your "i'm good, i know i'm good" and "connect to a Gamespy server, and have your arse handed to you"
Ofcourse you have nothing to prove to anyone..
So your words become "worthless"
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I know I'm good because I'm consistently one of the best players on our servers. I'm sure you'll try and make out that this can't possibly compare to WOL players, etc etc.
You also misquoted me. Nice try. I actually said "by the same token, you could connect to a Gamespy server and have your arse handed to you". I didn't say it would happen every time. Get things in context next time.
For a while, I've been considering switching the servers to REOL. However, if you're the calibre of person it's likely to attract, I'll stick with how things are.
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2488] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 08:22 |
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WOL Clans > WOL > Gamespy Clans > Gamespy
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2504] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 09:28 |
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Infantry the whole game with 3 kills? You should be proud.
W3ndys Pwns J00
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2608] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 12:16 |
blckhaze1
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Everyone who says "why all the argument?" and "its just for fun" and takes this topic as an offence personally .. if your on GSA or WOL..
Dont.
This topic is mainly aimed at the GSA players that I found mocking WOL vs GSA as i joined GSA. Alot of people don't really give a shit .. and personally I dont care really either, but I'll go ahead and have a word with the morons of WOL and GSA that DO consistantly pound on the other end with cyber server racial comments.
No offence to non-perticipants
And no doubt theres some good GSA players. 
fjeer the sheep
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| G-Spy vs. WOL [message #2655] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 14:34 |
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Lately, I have been playing on Gamespy for a number of reasons:
I am unable to negotiate most ports in WOL, my clan is international, and the Brits have a laggy experience using WOL USA servers, so we all use GS.
I have to tell you this right now, that WOL players are on the whole, far far superior to GS players.
Don't get me wrong, the other stereotype is also true- WOL players are largely shameless point whores,(play a game of Hourglass and tell me Im wrong) concerned with their ladder to the point you will see empty APCs driving off with a group of engies running after it, and snipers shooting tanks for points while their base goes down.
Despite that however, I feel there really is no comparison as far as the level of gameplay goes. I will remain on GS largely for my clan's sake, but for genuinely challenging games, you have to go to EA. Sorry.
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