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As the subject says, I'm looking for feedback on what car *I* should buy, for myself. This means you shouldn't reply with "OMG0rz get a Ferrarri!" Smile Of course only I really know what I want and won't make my decision based purely on your input, but until I buy one, I might as well have fun over-analyzing which car I should get, and you guys can help!

Before I go on, heres a quick rundown of the car I'm driving now:
* 1995 Mustang GT, w/ a few thousand $ worth of racing mods.
* Been driving this car since 2000.
*- It rides rough as hell (suspension was reworked for auto-cross).
*+ It has lots of torque and "feels" fast.
* It has a 15lb nitrous-oxide bottle in the trunk, and if used provides an extra 150+ hp (I only use this when drag racing...have not filled the bottle since I moved to Az).
*+ It has a very nice stereo system, worth around $3,000. Includes a trio of JL 10w6 subs in the trunk.
*+ Whenever I am a a gas station filling up, usually whoever is nearby will say "hey, nice car".
*- Due to being tuned for N2O usage, I have to use premium fuel. It costs me almost $40 to fill my tank.
*+ It has been paid off for several years, and my insurance is very cheap.
*- I recently had to get my tires replaced, and they are quite expensive, as they are size 275-40 Z17. Fortunately, they last a long time (assuming I don't spin out too often).

Note in the list above, "*+" means its a feaure that I like, "*-" means a feature that I didn't like. So taking only those into account, it appears that what I like in a car is:
* Power. Itdoesn't have to be tire-burning, race-winning power, but needs to at least feel fast, and be able to pass someone with ease.
* Looks/Style. While I do get compliments on my current car, it's mostly the fact that *I* like the way it looks.
* Gadgets. I love my current stereo that can blow dry your hair. A new car won't have that, but I would probably at least spring for the upgraded stereo, plus I'd like to have a nav system because I'm a n00b and don't know how to get to most places, and well I just plain like gadgets Smile

Note that things like "fuel economy", "resale value", "cargo capacity" are not in the list. While I do care about the environment, I figure that just upgrading to a new car will be a huge improvement over the gas-guzzling stang, so I don't feel compelled to buy some econo-box and throw everything else I like about a car out the window, just to save a few bucks filling up, or to contribute less to pollution. I don't really car what it's resale value is, or its "utility rating". I want something fun to drive, for ME. If I wanted a vehicle that was an investment, I would buy a Rolls, if I wanted something with Utility in mind, I would get a big fat truck with a bumper sticker that says "Yes, I WILL help you move your furniture!".

So, with all that said and done, here are some criteria for my new car:
* Max price around $30,000
* Sporty. Decent amount of power (which means no base models).
* Gadets. GPS/NAV would be nice, also bluetooth (so can use handsfree cell while driving).
* Looks. I like cars that are muscular and/or sporty looking. There are and have been plenty of cars that had all the above options, but look like total ass. For example, the Taurus SHO.

Now, on to the prospects.

2008 Dodge Avenger R/T
http://www.dodge.com/shared/2008/avenger/gallery/images/08_ext_avenger_phtgal_07.jpg

Price with options: $29,930

Quick stats:
* 235-horsepower 3.5-liter V6 engine
* All Wheel Drive
* Six-speed AutoStick® Transmission
* 18-inch chrome alloy wheels
* Automatic temperature control
* Steering wheel mounted audio controls
* Pearl paint
* ~26 MPG

Gadgets:
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MyGIG™, an entertainment and navigation audio system with a 6.5-inch Thin Film Transistor (TFT) Display with a touch-screen panel that can support 65,000 colors. The MyGIG system follows voice-activated commands and includes:
* AM/FM Radio With 6 Boston Acoustic(R) Speakers
* CD/CDR/RW/DVD/VCD playback
* A 20 gigabyte hard disc drive that includes Music Juke Box for organizing music and pictures on the hard drive
* USB based MP3 connectivity for putting WMA, MP3 and JPEG files onto the hard drive
* Gracenote® database on the hard drive, for song identification, including composer, artist and title
* Playlist creation
* Voice memo recording, using the microphone integrated into the rearview mirror
* Radio screen, which can display movies (when vehicle is not in motion)
* SIRIUS Satellite Radio
* UConnect® Hands-free Communication System (Bluetooth)
* Rear Seat Video System
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* Heated seats
* Chill Zone™—a storage compartment in the top of the instrument panel that holds up to four standing 12 oz. beverage cans, cooled by the proximity of an air conditioning vent (when the air is on)
* A heated/cooled front cupholder that keeps cold beverages cool and hot beverages warm. The system heats to 140 degrees Fahrenheit or cools to 35 degrees Fahrenheit
* Power sunroof
* 8-way power drivers seat
* Passenger seat can fold down flat, just in case you need to carry something long that extends from the trunk. passenger seat also has a laptop holder.

2007 Volkswagon GTI
http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/11232004111941.jpg

Price with options: $31,805
Quick Stats:

200HP Turbo 2.0L engine
Fuel Economy Highway: 32mpg
Recommended fuel : premium unleaded Sad
Transmission: 6-Speed Automatic w/DSG & Tiptronic®

Gadgets:
* AM/FM Sound System w/Navigation/Ipod Adpt.
* 6-disc CD changer in-dash mounted, MP3 format readable, 10 speakers
* Outside temperature display
Recommended fuel : premium unleaded
6 speed manual transmission with overdrive

2007 Ford Mustang GT "Premium"
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Ford/2007.ford.mustang.20091307-E.jpg

Price w/Options: $33,130 (would be <$30k if nav system and upgraded audio dropped)

Quick Stats:
* 300HP 4.6L V8
* 5-Speed automatic transmission
* 18" Polished Alumninum wheels
* 6-way power adjustable seats

Gadgets:
* Touch-screen NAV system
* Remote start
* Bluetooth
* Shaker 1000 Audio system, 6x in-dash CD/MP3, 10 speakers
* The industry-first, color-configurable instrument panel offers the ultimate in personalization. Mustang owners can mix and match lighting at the touch of a button to create more than 125 color backgrounds to suit their personalities, moods, outfits or whims.

Other cars under $30,000
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/new-cars-under-30000.htm
Ah hell, I just found the link above, which sure beats finding models by hand. Ah well I'm not wasting the info I already found. Bear in mind that those prices are usually on the "base" model, so if it says its 29,000, thats probably with only the few standard options it has.

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Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #248950 is a reply to message #248947] Fri, 09 March 2007 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you want a new mustang that steers, you better take the Roush Mustang, as from what I heard, the standard suspention sucks if you need to take corners.
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/2007-roush-stage-3-mustang.jpg

Im not sure how much it would be in the states, but a Volvo C30 might be cool to, the C30 is a competitor of the Golf.
http://www.caradisiac.com/media/images/le_mag/mag266/volvo-c30-2big.jpg

A nissan Z350 or 300 is cool to, but might be beyond your budget
http://members.fortunecity.com/freecarwallpapers/images/nissan_z350_07.jpg

A Mitsubishi eclipse is cool too (again, not a clue in terms of costs):
http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/e/bc5a3e925c9eafd5a0fcd6dee762beae.jpg


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Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #248974 is a reply to message #248947] Fri, 09 March 2007 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Roush mustang: would be nice, but too expensive. I was gettting a specialty mustang, I would probably get a Steeda or Saleen, assuming I had 50K to spend Razz
Nissan 350Z: more than 30K
Volvo C30: Not available in the US
Eclipse: more than 30k as well

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Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #248976 is a reply to message #248974] Fri, 09 March 2007 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well the c30 is rather new, so perhaps in a little while?
Im not sure whether or not there is any volvo dealer near you in the USA, but if so, you could ask.
In the netherlands its about 24000 eruos, and we get extorted by the goverment so I think it would be less then 30k $


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Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #248981 is a reply to message #248947] Fri, 09 March 2007 14:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #248983 is a reply to message #248947] Fri, 09 March 2007 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Golf GTI, you know it will actually be well built and not have a plastic interior, plus it should hold it's value pretty well and be more practical for day to day driving. I havn't looked to closely at the others but I would bet the golf has the best handling and you got all the extras included in that price.

Don't be moaning about the fuel, I have a 33 litre fuel tank on a rover 100 1.1 and it cost me over $50 (£30) to fill it up, the thing struggles to do more than 50mph on anything more than a gentle incline, and I just paid £112 ($200) for a years tax. UK Car/Fuel Tax sucks ass.


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Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #248984 is a reply to message #248947] Fri, 09 March 2007 14:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Slightly over 30k w/options, but just barely. The WRX has lots of power too, which is nice. It's definitely worth considering, thanks Smile
Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #248993 is a reply to message #248984] Fri, 09 March 2007 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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though tbh it looks like crap Sad

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Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #248997 is a reply to message #248947] Fri, 09 March 2007 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Get the mustang premium, or the car that is suppost to be the competitor of the golf.

Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #248998 is a reply to message #248997] Fri, 09 March 2007 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if you want ot just steer in one straightline and burn tyres, get the mustang premium, else get the C30 Wink

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Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #249002 is a reply to message #248947] Fri, 09 March 2007 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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do what the chavs round here do. get a fiat punto and put a strip down the middle of it. and put a spoiler on the back. the *HAND* paint it with a paint brush canary yellow Wink im sure you will pick up all the chicks Razz

im not kidding, all the pieces of dirt called chavs round here do it.

Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #249017 is a reply to message #248947] Fri, 09 March 2007 16:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I drive a Seat Ibiza, just bought it 2 months ago. I don't have the budget u do so mine is pretty basic but if you could get your hands on a Ibiza FR version, I think you could be satisfied.

http://www.cecilandlarter.co.uk/seat/images/models/i-model-ibiza-fr.jpg

You need to like smaller cars, though, hey're the same class as the Golf (actually, Seat is owned by VW and many parts are the same) but less expensive so more money left for all kind of gadgets.

Only thing is: I didn't see an American website for Seat (USA not in the list on seat.com) so I wonder if you guys even get them imported...


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EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 09 March 2007 17:36

if you want ot just steer in one straightline and burn tyres, get the mustang premium, else get the C30 Wink


Again, the C30 is not sold in the US Razz
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Goztow wrote on Fri, 09 March 2007 18:49

I drive a Seat Ibiza, just bought it 2 months ago. I don't have the budget u do so mine is pretty basic but if you could get your hands on a Ibiza FR version, I think you could be satisfied.

http://www.cecilandlarter.co.uk/seat/images/models/i-model-ibiza-fr.jpg

You need to like smaller cars, though, hey're the same class as the Golf (actually, Seat is owned by VW and many parts are the same) but less expensive so more money left for all kind of gadgets.

Only thing is: I didn't see an American website for Seat (USA not in the list on seat.com) so I wonder if you guys even get them imported...


The Ibiza is not sold in the US. And before any Aussies suggest a "Holden", they are not sold here either Smile
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Not sold in the US
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Blazer wrote on Fri, 09 March 2007 14:39

For example, the Taurus SHO.

Oddly enough, I drive a 2000 Taurus, and use approx $45/week to fill my tank with Regular...


Lol but anyway, I wish I was you, who had that kinda cash to spend on a new car.

Looks like you tend to stick to the American cars, seeing as you have a Mustang, and your first prospective was a Dodge, although have you considered looking into the Japanese market? Certain cars, such as Mitsu Evo's for example are quite sporty, although somewhat all-too-popular.

As someone recommended, the 2007 Mitsu Eclipse may be fun to drive, assuming you pack it full.

But I'm probly no help here, since my type of fun car is a small but sporty car.

Best of luck car hunting. Don't let the salesmen screw you over.


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Re: What new car to buy (for me) [message #249038 is a reply to message #248947] Fri, 09 March 2007 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How about a Honda S2000? Aparently it was top of the table at "The most reliable" and best to drive this year (survey taken from Top Gear).
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Blazer, why not wait for the new Camaro?

It will have a powerful 5.3L LS1 V8 engine with displacment on demand, which should net you between 25 - 30 mpg in 4 cylinder mode.

Suppost to be priced similar to the Mustang too, fairly cheap. Knowing GM, it should be loaded with gadgets as well, and should be a pretty fun car to drive... It is on the Zeta platform, with an independant rear suspension, so the thing will both go fast in a straight line, and handle reasonably well around curves.


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What about a Pontiac GTO? Or is that too expensive?


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Lovely cars but as a Fire-Fighter that ends up cutting a few folk out of cars, may I suggest some additional details that should be fitted as standard. However you will be lost without them.


Front and rear crumple zones, collision bulkheads, roll bars, side impact bars, airbags for foot/ankle/knee/face (3 separate bags)side airbags for the body, curtain airbags for the head and chest. Side ways moving, collision seating.

Seat belt pretensioners, ABS for braking, Anti skid and traction control for steering. Impregnated reinforced sunfroof (you dont want the head rubbing tarmac, whilst imverted).

Cruise control and a diesel engine, (less likely hood of fire).

OH yes! I know how to spoil the fun but I would look for the above in any car before I search for other specs.

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Merovingian wrote on Fri, 09 March 2007 20:34

How about a Honda S2000? Aparently it was top of the table at "The most reliable" and best to drive this year (survey taken from Top Gear).


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puddle_splasher wrote on Sat, 10 March 2007 02:02

Lovely cars but as a Fire-Fighter that ends up cutting a few folk out of cars, may I suggest some additional details that should be fitted as standard. However you will be lost without them.


Front and rear crumple zones, collision bulkheads, roll bars, side impact bars, airbags for foot/ankle/knee/face (3 separate bags)side airbags for the body, curtain airbags for the head and chest. Side ways moving, collision seating.

Seat belt pretensioners, ABS for braking, Anti skid and traction control for steering. Impregnated reinforced sunfroof (you dont want the head rubbing tarmac, whilst imverted).

Cruise control and a diesel engine, (less likely hood of fire).

OH yes! I know how to spoil the fun but I would look for the above in any car before I search for other specs.

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I totally agree that safety features are important. Fortunately, it seems that most new model cars have decent crash protection as far as airbags and structural reinforcement, as well as ABS brakes, etc. I actually have a bad habit of not wearing my seat belt at all Surprised
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Apache wrote on Fri, 09 March 2007 21:47

Blazer, why not wait for the new Camaro?

It will have a powerful 5.3L LS1 V8 engine with displacment on demand, which should net you between 25 - 30 mpg in 4 cylinder mode.

Suppost to be priced similar to the Mustang too, fairly cheap. Knowing GM, it should be loaded with gadgets as well, and should be a pretty fun car to drive... It is on the Zeta platform, with an independant rear suspension, so the thing will both go fast in a straight line, and handle reasonably well around curves.


Good point. I like the looks of the new Camaro, they won't be out until 2009 though. I think I will probably lease a car for 2 years and then see what is on the market.
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