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Re: sniper hud [message #239996 is a reply to message #239687] Thu, 18 January 2007 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then you'd best start complaining to jonwil about releasing cheats Sarcasm

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Re: sniper hud [message #240002 is a reply to message #239956] Thu, 18 January 2007 20:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 16:52


First it was a example, second removing the chat box because it doesn't allow you to see is just like removing the black on the sniper hud (if you want to look at it that way).



I never said it was cheating.


Re: sniper hud [message #240005 is a reply to message #240002] Thu, 18 January 2007 20:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How is it based on opinion? I said it annoys some people.
"Some"

And with that small fraction of people who get annoyed by it, if they think it is cheating due to an unfair advantage, then that means that even for the people who don't think it is unfair, it is still a cheat.

If one thinks it, it applies to all.
Re: sniper hud [message #240010 is a reply to message #239687] Thu, 18 January 2007 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The debate as to whether clear scope sniper modifications are cheats or not is surely beyond this thread. Honestly I don't think it'll ever be settled, so let's just keep this thread related to matters of modifying the sniper HUD.

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Re: sniper hud [message #240012 is a reply to message #239913] Thu, 18 January 2007 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 17:57

Unless your making it completely black, or a nontransparent color, its still considered a cheat, just because light blue (or whatever) doesn't annoy you, everyone else is stuck with green, so they consider it cheating (unless everyone has it like in a mod).


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I never said it was cheating.


Sure looks like you did.


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How is it based on opinion? I said it annoys some people.
"Some"

And with that small fraction of people who get annoyed by it, if they think it is cheating due to an unfair advantage, then that means that even for the people who don't think it is unfair, it is still a cheat.

If one thinks it, it applies to all.


It is of the opinion of those some people that it is annoying.

The green in the scope is not intended to annoy you, it's intended to aid you. Last time I checked, night vision is what is supposed to give you the advantage, exactly that the green is trying to imitate.





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Re: sniper hud [message #240013 is a reply to message #240012] Thu, 18 January 2007 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Renx wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 21:42


The green in the scope is not intended to annoy you, it's intended to aid you. Last time I checked, night vision is what is supposed to give you the advantage, exactly that the green is trying to imitate.


Imitate, is a key word there, its not, and at times makes it even more difficult to see.


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Re: sniper hud [message #240014 is a reply to message #239687] Thu, 18 January 2007 22:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In your opinion it does. You just can't deem something as subjective as this a cheat. Cheating is black and white. Try and take my point of view on this for a damage mod or an aimbot, it's impossible because those are definite advantages.

If the scope was originally clear and someone came up with the idea to make a "night vision scope," you'd still be condemning them for trying to get an advantage. If you don't want people using alternate textures either play in a server with pure mode or suck it up and move on. These are not cheats and they're not going anywhere.

For the record, I use the default scope.


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Re: sniper hud [message #240016 is a reply to message #240014] Thu, 18 January 2007 22:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Renx wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 22:06

In your opinion it does.

Don't tell me what my opinion is, but speaking of aimbots, how do they work? Is it like the single player auto aim, or do they actually make you look and aim at the nearest enemy. If its like the single player auto aim, could it be rigged up to work on one specific weapon like through scripts.dll or not.


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Re: sniper hud [message #240238 is a reply to message #240016] Sat, 20 January 2007 05:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Err, so will you please post the hud file here? So, about the cheating part, cant you guys just send this to renguard to have it checked???!!! It's as simple as that.

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Re: sniper hud [message #240362 is a reply to message #240238] Sun, 21 January 2007 04:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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TSS888 wrote on Sat, 20 January 2007 13:42

Err, so will you please post the hud file here? So, about the cheating part, cant you guys just send this to renguard to have it checked???!!! It's as simple as that.

Renguard doesn't decide what is cheating or not. If it did, it wouldn't allow radar hack Wink.


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Re: sniper hud [message #240473 is a reply to message #240362] Sun, 21 January 2007 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Sun, 21 January 2007 04:40

TSS888 wrote on Sat, 20 January 2007 13:42

Err, so will you please post the hud file here? So, about the cheating part, cant you guys just send this to renguard to have it checked???!!! It's as simple as that.

Renguard doesn't decide what is cheating or not. If it did, it wouldn't allow radar hack Wink.

The radar hack is cheating, it allows you to know where people are, and the people without the hack won't know you are there. If the server was set up only to allow team radar, then it is meant to be team radar.


Re: sniper hud [message #240493 is a reply to message #240473] Sun, 21 January 2007 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unless the server is set to show all, then the radar hack is pointless and thus one problem solved for the server.
Re: sniper hud [message #240503 is a reply to message #239687] Mon, 22 January 2007 01:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If we would fix things that way, we could also just make damage impossible, that will fix the damage hacks! Wink

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Re: sniper hud [message #240902 is a reply to message #239687] Wed, 24 January 2007 02:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: sniper hud [message #240921 is a reply to message #239938] Wed, 24 January 2007 05:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Silent Kane wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 16:58

My scope, however, isn't a cheat since it's just realistic.



That statement is your opinion just as my opinion says cheat. You have modified the file to give yourself an advantage over everyone. You have, what is not freely available to everyone.

If, in the beginning, the Renegade snipers were meant to have clearscopes, to keep it realistic, then they would have been freely available. They were not and are not meant to be available, so the clearscope is cleary an adavantage skin or in some opinions "a cheat".

The skin was done as "night vision" so that the snipers did not have a total advantage as they now have.

Some servers allow clearscopes, others dont. Feel free to try it out and best of luck.

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Re: sniper hud [message #240928 is a reply to message #239687] Wed, 24 January 2007 06:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not meant to be available? That must be why they let you add any custom texture to the game Sarcasm

They ARE freely available and have been since the beginning of the game.


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Re: sniper hud [message #241008 is a reply to message #239687] Wed, 24 January 2007 15:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Post here to let me know when you get banned

this forum topic is not for bans related to clearscope
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can the mods please lock this topic if it gets any further than sniper hud talk


Can the mods now lock this topic.


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Re: sniper hud [message #241172 is a reply to message #240928] Thu, 25 January 2007 11:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Renx wrote on Wed, 24 January 2007 08:52

Not meant to be available? That must be why they let you add any custom texture to the game Sarcasm

They ARE freely available and have been since the beginning of the game.


By freely available, he means available to the public. Not a custom job that someone makes and doesn't share to the public.
Re: sniper hud [message #241175 is a reply to message #239687] Thu, 25 January 2007 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My statement still stands...

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Re: sniper hud [message #241668 is a reply to message #239687] Sat, 27 January 2007 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My opinion is that I can careless whether someone else has modified their scope or not. No matter what scope a person has, it doesn't matter if they still can't hit you. And a scope doesn't effect how good you are at sniping either. You can snipe with a clear, pink or blue scope for all I care, it doesn't make you any better, or any worse.

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Re: sniper hud [message #241670 is a reply to message #241668] Sat, 27 January 2007 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok... what if they had a full black scope, and couldn't see anything?

That won't effect them either?
Re: sniper hud [message #241674 is a reply to message #239687] Sat, 27 January 2007 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i dont really use scopes anyways, its just so its not so ugly and annoying. most of the time i simply go to 3rd person and use my reticle.
black scope. thats random


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Re: sniper hud [message #241683 is a reply to message #241670] Sat, 27 January 2007 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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razorblade001 wrote:

ok... what if they had a full black scope, and couldn't see anything?

That won't effect them either?


What does that have to do with anything? It doesn't effect the other players and if they're dumb enough to replace their scope with a black image then that's their problem, not anyone else's.


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Re: sniper hud [message #241704 is a reply to message #241683] Sat, 27 January 2007 23:31 Go to previous message
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