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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239664 is a reply to message #239655] Wed, 17 January 2007 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 23:16

Is it normal that the Nod messages appear as gold now (on Alex' screenshot)? Or am I missing something?


They're based on the team of <killer> as the primary color.

Just like normal, you kill someone and the message "<nick1> killed <nick2>" is in the color of your team.

In other words, two GDI guys killed two Nod guys when he took that screen shot.
Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239680 is a reply to message #239656] Wed, 17 January 2007 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dave Anderson wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 15:22

It isn't that you offended me, because you didn't. The mods, however, posted new rules for a reason.



Yes. Please abide by them.
Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239684 is a reply to message #239592] Wed, 17 January 2007 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good job releasing a cheat.

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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239693 is a reply to message #239680] Wed, 17 January 2007 20:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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icedog90 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 21:07

Dave Anderson wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 15:22

It isn't that you offended me, because you didn't. The mods, however, posted new rules for a reason.



Yes. Please abide by them.


As I previously stated. I didn't intend to flame or insult anyone. I was just simply trying to say that he would get flamed because of his spelling. I apologize if I came across rude.

As to WhiteDragon; Would you care to go into a little more detail?


CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239704 is a reply to message #239592] Wed, 17 January 2007 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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in real life different people have different amounts of chances, so in ren we might as well take this into account as well as the fact that our community is small. communism is when people are even, and this is a site created by a democratic country, not saying we vote on everything here.

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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239707 is a reply to message #239603] Wed, 17 January 2007 23:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gamemodding wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 20:02

first of all your body craves nicotine. i have been addictided to it (not cigorets) and found it pretty easy to get off of it. in fact all you need it willpower, find something to do that will take your mind off of nicotine.

second of all, i will not fogive the fact you cheated. but i also for some reason feel some sympathy. i have considerd getting my own back on cheaters, but i just think to myself "is it worth it?". no is the answer. never the less, what you did for the community was counterd by the fact you did this.

i think everyone should be allowed a second chance. imo, if you do stop cheating i think this should all be forgotten. unless ofcourse it happens again. i belive no one should have a 3rd chance.

im sure i will be called a jackass for posting my opionion. but thats how it goes on this forum.

Lets just say that he went wrong about 3 times (I think). first time pretty badly...


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239714 is a reply to message #239592] Thu, 18 January 2007 00:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK, that was me being stupid, about the message color Razz.

The fact if this would be cheating or not has been discussed before: http://www.black-intel.net/forum/index.php/topic,320.0.html and my statement was that I see it as a possible unfair advantage. I think that's what Whitedragon means.


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239722 is a reply to message #239635] Thu, 18 January 2007 03:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Caveman wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 17:25


On topic: Yeah sure I have the name of the player. Also I don't know if I was suppose to see this but when I joined my server I saw Nod Harvy delivered. Then I saw Nod APC Delivered. Meaning I saw some of the Nods information when I was on GDI. (This only happened a few times)

[21:16:44] <%sccrscorer> W|NGD|NGO killed BaboonDude (GDI Minigunner/Auto Rifle vs Nod Minigunner)

When I joined the server and he killed someone I kept seeing this so I'm assuming its something to do with the "|" in his name. Hope this helps.


The "|" will be causing the problem in the messages. Seeing the NOD APC/HARVY Messages should not appear unless the game is not recieving all the information. It would be interesting if this happens within the first minute of the game and wether or not it keeps doing that.

This cannot be reguarded as a cheat, the information that you can recieve can be communicated to you in other ways, this just makes it a lot more easier.

At Sniper_De7, Crimson never told me to stop because she didn't know. You are getting the story confused with Sir_Kane who did get told to stop.


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239727 is a reply to message #239722] Thu, 18 January 2007 04:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well the position of nod soldiers and vehicles can be communicated too, so I guess radar hack isnt a cheat either Sarcasm ?
Oh and since you can communicate about destroying the enemy, you can also use fr as the outcome is the same Sarcasm ...
And ofcourse stealth reveal is allowed, I mean you can easily communicate that.. Sarcasm
I think your point isnt really vailid...


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239730 is a reply to message #239592] Thu, 18 January 2007 04:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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why don't you and Kane just fuck off tbh.

This looks like some piece of shit that should be a server side modification if anything, just another thing to unbalance the game for people who choose to take any advantage they can get their hands on.


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239751 is a reply to message #239722] Thu, 18 January 2007 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dead6re wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 04:35

At Sniper_De7, Crimson never told me to stop because she didn't know. You are getting the story confused with Sir_Kane who did get told to stop.


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I would like you to grant him a second chance, which is what he deserves


I was talking about him, which is indeed why I said that. But as for you, I don't think you deserve one either. The fact that you lied about cheating(yours and his) and you even knew that he cheated just makes it all the more sadder. What am I talking about?

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Silent_Kane has managed to perform various little tricks server side in the dll he is currently coding. These are found and removed by Crimsons request. This incident more to do with "fluke" then hacking.
-you

Not only did you lie about cheating, but you *did* get a second chance. Every single time you entered a game with or without cheats, you made a choice wether or not to stop cheating, as i'd be 100% sure that you didn't even try to do. So even after every time someone suspected you of cheating, and you were, they just didn't have proof, you still made the decision to cheat. Take that to people who, because they are new - join a game with some obvious cheat and don't know any better, obviously they'll get caught and banned and shown no mercy, when theyd on't even know how to go about attempting at making it less obvious they cheated in the first place.

Every single time i want to join a game I make the decision of not cheating as does anyone else who knows how easily it is to get. You're not above everyone else, you don't deserve any second chances, even if you already have, so quit acting like you do.


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239792 is a reply to message #239722] Thu, 18 January 2007 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dead6re wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 04:35

Caveman wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 17:25


On topic: Yeah sure I have the name of the player. Also I don't know if I was suppose to see this but when I joined my server I saw Nod Harvy delivered. Then I saw Nod APC Delivered. Meaning I saw some of the Nods information when I was on GDI. (This only happened a few times)

[21:16:44] <%sccrscorer> W|NGD|NGO killed BaboonDude (GDI Minigunner/Auto Rifle vs Nod Minigunner)

When I joined the server and he killed someone I kept seeing this so I'm assuming its something to do with the "|" in his name. Hope this helps.


The "|" will be causing the problem in the messages. Seeing the NOD APC/HARVY Messages should not appear unless the game is not recieving all the information. It would be interesting if this happens within the first minute of the game and wether or not it keeps doing that.

This cannot be reguarded as a cheat, the information that you can recieve can be communicated to you in other ways, this just makes it a lot more easier.

At Sniper_De7, Crimson never told me to stop because she didn't know. You are getting the story confused with Sir_Kane who did get told to stop.


Its within the very first moment of the game. After that I stop seeing the harvy messages and other team messages and just see kills and our vehicle purchases.


CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239798 is a reply to message #239592] Thu, 18 January 2007 08:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I see this NoFear thing as a HUGE cheat. Why would you have made/use this, let alone release it? It sure doesnt help your story. ALthought, i do really see you go, ALOT will get done slower (including rg1.04). But its funny, most of the people who keep complainging they want rg 1.04 to be released sooner, want you out. This is going against their own logic, and anyway even if you did cheat, i think you saw the error of your ways, and I'd rather have you cheat (but still working on rg 1.04) than have ALOT more cheaters because of the slow down of rg 1.04....

BUT I also think more info should be released about the supposide SK and v00d00 thing Tell Me


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239817 is a reply to message #239592] Thu, 18 January 2007 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Cheat?? I look it at as a great way to catch cheaters. Instead of having to scroll up on irc hoping to catch it its right there.
Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239819 is a reply to message #239592] Thu, 18 January 2007 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wall hack is also a great anti cheat! You can see everyone that could do suspect damage! Do you use it though? I hope not.

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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239822 is a reply to message #239817] Thu, 18 January 2007 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sccrscorer wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 08:23

Cheat?? I look it at as a great way to catch cheaters. Instead of having to scroll up on irc hoping to catch it its right there.

Little problem, though. What if you see someone kill someone else with a Repair Gun(Weak)? OMG FINAL REN!!1!1 -- NO, they probably just ran into a proxy c4, but there is no way (and should be no way) to check that ingame. That's what moderators in IRC are for (and where this script should actually go).


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239823 is a reply to message #239592] Thu, 18 January 2007 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i done something like that once...

"roshambo(GDI minigunner) destroyed someone's Nod Light Tank"

Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239829 is a reply to message #239822] Thu, 18 January 2007 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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havoc9826 wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 11:45

Sccrscorer wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 08:23

Cheat?? I look it at as a great way to catch cheaters. Instead of having to scroll up on irc hoping to catch it its right there.

Little problem, though. What if you see someone kill someone else with a Repair Gun(Weak)? OMG FINAL REN!!1!1 -- NO, they probably just ran into a proxy c4, but there is no way (and should be no way) to check that ingame. That's what moderators in IRC are for (and where this script should actually go).


Yes we know that. It says that on IRC. But if you see 3 apcs just blew up by pistol from an SBH you don't have to alt tab out because its there in your face. Its just like having two monitors. One ingame and on on IRC so you can see the kill messages. How do you work out that this is a cheat. Extended kill messages. Its what you see on IRC. You can't see the other teams chat. So its not a cheat. Its just a easier way to catch cheaters. Thats how I see it. If I had any doubt that this was a cheat do you really think I would openly test it out in public, come to the Renegade forums and say well this part doesn't work. No. I would keep it to myself and abuse it. So to the people who think its a cheat. Could you explain to me in some detail what exactly makes it a cheat.


CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239830 is a reply to message #239592] Thu, 18 January 2007 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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obviously if i see a repair gun "kill" a tank im not gonna !Kb em im gonna look out and if it happens way too much i will test.. just like if im in irc i would look for that and let a mod ingame know
Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239831 is a reply to message #239829] Thu, 18 January 2007 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Caveman wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 09:07

Yes we know that. It says that on IRC. But if you see 3 apcs just blew up by pistol from an SBH you don't have to alt tab out because its there in your face.

I've seen a Nuclear Strike do that. If you get some clueless mod or someone who can be trusted with !poll kicking on the other side of the map who has no idea who planted the nuke or that one was even planted, you get problems.


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Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239833 is a reply to message #239592] Thu, 18 January 2007 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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solution: dont make clueless people mods? durrr
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Thats the same thing if someone was in IRC. If they saw that. Are you now saying that having IRC is a cheat?

CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Most servers disallow people to be in IRC and the game at the same time.


I wouldn't personally view this as a cheat, and I really don't think he made this to give himself an advantage overothers either. However I can see how this would upset some people since it could provide an advantage. Even if you did know what character/weapon someone had, there's no way to know exactly where that person is at the same time unless you can already see them on your screen.


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I want to add: I can understand serevr owners / admins using this. It's their serevr and if it can help them catch cheatres, then I don't see a problem with it. It's their serevr and they do with it how they like anyway.

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Also, I see lots of modern games with this already built into the game. Its your loss if you don't use it and you know about it. I'm just bringing modifications that I feel are needed (And ones that were requested). Look at CS:S!

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