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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238135 is a reply to message #237969] |
Mon, 08 January 2007 20:49   |
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| 0x90 wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 07:49 |
wow.. many new posts. well, lets see...
| Crimson wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 06:58 |
Hey, 0x90, just in case you thought otherwise, I 100% disapprove of the software you have created, but so long as you are not trying to spread secrets, encourage others to cheat, or HELP others to cheat, you can remain a member here.
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of course i didnt thought otherwise but thanks for not banning me and so i will go on like before (thus not breaking any of the rules you mentioned).
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Without him, there wasn't an urgent need for 1.04
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There is, just have a look on all the bugs RG 1.03 has.
Most of the windows 2000 users and many other people aren't even
able to use renguard because of SVKP.
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im with cat998 here: i think there IS an urgent need for a newer version.. with or without actual cheats/bypasses.
@crimson: youre really giving your own _private_ money away for a new renguard? either you got too much of it or you really have to love this game/community. in case of the latter: my respect, honestly 
so i guess "hacking" renguard1.04 cant be done with a clear conscience.
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and that means it's going to stop you right? 
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238174 is a reply to message #237695] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 06:42 |
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It's not a matter of priorities from what i understood. It's a matter of availlable (human) ressources.
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238188 is a reply to message #238172] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 09:42 |
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| Herr wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 06:26 |
| Crimson wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 01:00 |
Yeah, BHS hasn't done ANYTHING... nevermind WOLProxy that has stopped several servers from crashing when XWIS (often) dies. And let's forget that we are merely days/weeks away from bringing back the public ladder (http://renladder.blackhand-studios.net)... but if that qualifies as "doing nothing" then I guess we're a bunch of slack-asses. Oh yeah, we're also close to releasing a tool to make serial banning possible, plus a couple exploit fixes and ladder-related fixes.
But, oh yeah, we haven't done anything recently at ALL  .
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Just out of interest, why did the renladder get a greater priority then RG1.04 on the BHS to-do list? I am very pleased to see the ladder coming back, it's awesome. I am just wondering why the ladder was more important or got more interest.
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This is just a guess, so don't take it as anything official.
The last I heard was that the Renguard team was waiting on one person, and everyone else had progressed as far as they were able without this person's work.
I'm assuming that the ladder is something that is being and can be done while they wait for this person to finish.
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238209 is a reply to message #237695] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 11:50 |
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When you're dealing with volunteers, sometimes you just have to do the project that they are interested and motivated to do. So, it was either the ladder or nothing. But now that I have the extra money to bribe for RG 1.04's completion and I finally got the BI guys' NDA's in hand, we can dig in!
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238235 is a reply to message #237695] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 15:25 |
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On the contrary, BHS has recently partnered with BlackIntel. We have also been releasing Black Cell's SSAOW scripts for quite some time now. We accept help all the time, but all offers must be reviewed for their merit and not all offers fulfill a need.
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238337 is a reply to message #238235] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 03:32 |
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| Crimson wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 17:25 |
On the contrary, BHS has recently partnered with BlackIntel. We have also been releasing Black Cell's SSAOW scripts for quite some time now. We accept help all the time, but all offers must be reviewed for their merit and not all offers fulfill a need.
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The coders at Black-Intel are very dedicated towards Renegade. I often hear about new developments they have made and know there is a lot more to come! This partnership and their dedication should speed up the projects that BHS have.
For example, RenGuard 1.04
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238347 is a reply to message #238186] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 05:19 |
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| Renx wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 10:39 |
| IWarriors wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 23:25 |
Making a cheat that alot of n00bs are using, aint a speical reason? o.O
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How does that differ from any other cheat maker? EVeryone could use it, it still wouldn't matter because it's not against the forum rules. As long as he is not advertising his cheat or promoting cheating in any way, what good is a ban really going to do? It's going to accomplish nothing, and that's why the rules are the way they are.
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Its better then doing shit all. I dont want any person who uses cheats in an online game around me, would you? do you prefer to have that type of person around you? -_-
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238353 is a reply to message #238350] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 05:45 |
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| IWarriors wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 13:36 |
| Blazer wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 06:31 |
Some "cheaters" like 0x90 are not players. They are just good at coding. RenGuard was coded to stop people from hacking into it, so it is a target for coders who like a challenge to break the protection and whatnot. 0x90 does not cheat at renegade, he is just interested in the encryption and protection of Renguard. I believe his main reason for creating the bypass was just to show that it could be done. Since then he has been quite helpful and completely honest, and I believe that his input will help make RG 1.04 a better product.
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Understandable and if hes helping Renguard with any input, then thats good.
Though I never said anything about 0x90.
But he must have played it to test it, no?
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I'd even say more: I recognised a ss he posted as being in our server, however he just joined and then left. What Blazer means is that he ain't actively playing Renegade.
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238410 is a reply to message #237695] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 13:03 |
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Theres nothing for him to learn that he doesn't already know. He unpacked the protected executable, he unencrypted and sniffed the RG network protocol. He knows how to make an aimbot. He knows the IPs of the master servers. We are all but helpless against someone with the skillset of 0x90 or v00d00. People who can hack their own windows kernel can do literally anything on a PC.
In short, he could easily crack 1.04, no matter how good it was - even if it was coded by a team of 1000 experts, simply because anything on a PC can be hacked if you have the skills, motivation, and the time.
Fortunately, he seems more interested in the implementation of RG, than destroying Renegade. He has already written a bypass, and realized how much it hurt us, including financially. I am hoping that he will want to satisfy his need for a challenge by helping us rather than hurting us.
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238421 is a reply to message #237695] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 13:25 |
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It must be a big challenge to crack some people's volunteering work in stopping cheaters, instead of like, professionals. Congratulations. You're good.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238527 is a reply to message #238476] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 23:26 |
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| IWarriors wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 17:38 |
| Sniper_De7 wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 14:25 |
It must be a big challenge to crack some people's volunteering work in stopping cheaters, instead of like, professionals. Congratulations. You're good.
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Have to agree with this.
If he wants to go hack something, I recommend the CIAs or an Military computer network.
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lol (and Crimson knows why I'm laughing)
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238550 is a reply to message #237695] |
Thu, 11 January 2007 05:15 |
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It seems to me it's harder to make something that's really hard to crack than it is to crack something.
I'm not sure if he's laughing because he works or worked (i don't know) for the military or whatever, or if it's something I said because I really don't have the faintest idea about hacking or if the person volunteering is an "expert"(gets paid) or whatever.
I do know that for anyone to make and distrube cheats for a "challenge" that you'd be a really selfish, uncaring person to not even think of what would happen. No one really cares about cheating in games like CSS or wherever because you have 100s and 1000s of other servers to choose from. Not only that, but if he was *truly* in it for the challenge, then what is the point in releasing the bypass? Why not just crack it, try it, see if it works, and then move along to whatever else that might seem challenging.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: BHS Rumor's [message #238553 is a reply to message #237695] |
Thu, 11 January 2007 05:40 |
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I am locking all Spoony/Crimson ReneDrama-related threads. If you wish to discuss anticheat solutions and whatever else we talked about in this thread, please start a new thread. (Or if someone has already started one, reply to it.)
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To Crimson, I will say this last thing: about everything I've said about you, I sincerely hope you will prove me wrong.
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| Crimson responds: |
It would be a great pleasure to prove you wrong. (And hopefully you take that in the lighthearted way I mean it)
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I'm the bawss.
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