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at·tack /əˈtæk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-tak] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with: He attacked him with his bare hands.
2. to begin hostilities against; start an offensive against: to attack the enemy.
3. to blame or abuse violently or bitterly.
4. to direct unfavorable criticism against; criticize severely; argue with strongly: He attacked his opponent's statement.
5. to try to destroy, esp. with verbal abuse: to attack the mayor's reputation.
6. to set about (a task) or go to work on (a thing) vigorously: to attack housecleaning; to attack the hamburger hungrily.
7. (of disease, destructive agencies, etc.) to begin to affect.
–verb (used without object)
8. to make an attack; begin hostilities.
–noun
9. the act of attacking; onslaught; assault.
10. a military offensive against an enemy or enemy position.
11. Pathology. seizure by disease or illness: an attack of indigestion.
12. the beginning or initiating of any action; onset.
13. an aggressive move in a performance or contest.
14. the approach or manner of approach in beginning a musical phrase.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #237885 is a reply to message #237882] |
Sun, 07 January 2007 23:08 |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 00:01 |
3. to blame or abuse violently or bitterly.
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I didn't do this - merely refuted your statement for the utter garbage it was.
| Crimson wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 00:01 |
4. to direct unfavorable criticism against; criticize severely;
argue with strongly: He attacked his opponent's statement.
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Criticism is the same as attack all of a sudden? In your mind, no doubt it is since you've said over and over again you don't consider yourself answerable to this community. But to a competent admin, criticism and attack are miles apart.
| Crimson wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 00:01 |
5. to try to destroy, esp. with verbal abuse: to attack the mayor's reputation.
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Irrelevant, since I wasn't trying to do that. I was simply explaining why you were absolutely dead wrong again. And like you seem to do every single time you make a ludicrous statement and someone proves you wrong, all you can think of is "OMG STOP ATTACKING ME!"
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Renedrama [ren-i-drah-muh]
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1. the inevitable criticism one receives after doing something awful
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #237886 is a reply to message #237504] |
Sun, 07 January 2007 23:09 |
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I WAS REPHRASING WHAT FL00D3D SAID, NOT POSTING MY OWN OPINION.
I'm done with this. You are taking a break from this forum until you learn to respect my position, if not me personally. We'll start with 30 days and see how it goes.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #237967 is a reply to message #237966] |
Mon, 08 January 2007 06:18 |
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| MexPirate wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 07:14 |
| puddle_splasher wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 03:46 |
Back on topic all!!!
Cheats, ban or allow.
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Umm that isn't the topic tbh.
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"Treatment of convicted cheaters" is the topic "TBH".
Ban or Allow?
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238026 is a reply to message #237504] |
Mon, 08 January 2007 11:56 |
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Crim.... -_-
Please unban Spoony. I know you two don't get along, but banning him from the forums isn't going to help anything. Not to mention he didn't break any rules.
(more to come in private)
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238038 is a reply to message #238035] |
Mon, 08 January 2007 12:59 |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 14:54 |
There's far more to it than that.
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Understood, but its still only a forum, they are still only words....
Sure hes a dick, sure hes been a cheater before (not positive)
But still,
Banning him for simply saying some nasty things is pretty bad...
Kinda reminds me of back two summers ago....i forget his name though.
Bah, i remembered.
Kinghigh Or Knighigh or whatever his name was.
Now HE had a reason....
A pissed off noob Once said:
I DESLIKE YOU!
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238061 is a reply to message #237504] |
Mon, 08 January 2007 14:14 |
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I'm not personally aware of any incident of Spoony cheating, and he himself will swear on anything he holds dear that he's never cheated... so I would conclude that you are mistaken in that.
We have been very specifically asked NOT to argue in public and preferably not at all... so if he's going to continue posts like the ones he made yesterday, then I don't see any other choice but to give him a time-out.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238067 is a reply to message #237504] |
Mon, 08 January 2007 14:39 |
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think someone is getting confused between SS and Spoony, assuming JonDoe has already been banned from here aswell as cw.cc as he has been silent on all this.
As Crimson said, Spoony doesn't and never has cheated.
Forum ban doesn't help anything, I don't understand why he is the only one that seems to get censored around here - this is usually the most free speaking forum in the whole community, whether or not he went about it in the right way you are both trying to achieve the same thing and banning him sends the wrong message to people on both sides of the fence as well as those sitting firmly on it.
Perhaps requesting that he drop irrelevant issues from the past in order to return here might be an acceptable comprimise, believe it or not there are still plenty of people that would much prefer to see BHS/n00bstories/renforums and cw.cc getting along and working together.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238069 is a reply to message #237504] |
Mon, 08 January 2007 14:44 |
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I'm sorry you see it that way, but as I said before, we were specifically instructed NOT to argue and to have a cease-fire. It's clear that he has no intentions on following instructions so I have to force him to comply, at least as far as my forums are concerned.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238142 is a reply to message #238069] |
Mon, 08 January 2007 21:19 |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 16:44 |
I'm sorry you see it that way, but as I said before, we were specifically instructed NOT to argue and to have a cease-fire. It's clear that he has no intentions on following instructions so I have to force him to comply, at least as far as my forums are concerned.
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Instructed by who may I ask?
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238177 is a reply to message #237504] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 07:05 |
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any chance they might see you banning him as breaching that ceasefire? Especially when he is claiming that he is looking to resolve issues and there is no response from yourself?
Don't see how stopping him from posting is helping to proove your point or innocence. If he was to continue "attacking" you then surely that would simply enforce your position and ensure that EA look more favourably on yourself?
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238198 is a reply to message #237504] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 10:21 |
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It doesn't prove anyone's point or guilt, or innocence.
They were instructed to drop it - plain and simply. Despite that warning, things continued on. Spoony seems reluctant to let things simply drop without proving himself correct (only an uninformed assumption), for whatever reason, so something had to be done to get it to drop.
Edit: Just so my position is known:
Had this been a discussion on the CW forums, I would have fully supported a ban on Crimson, and had both been regular users on my forum, I would have banned them both.
It's simply a timeout rather than a permanent ban, but it does take two to argue.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238212 is a reply to message #237504] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 11:54 |
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Anyone who knows him should know that he doesn't let something drop. He's burned his bridges with me and since he has basically said that he's not willing to "agree to disagree" and just NOT talk to each other unless absolutely necessary (which I am willing to do), then all I can do is stop the discussions from happening HERE. He's still going on and on over at the CW forums and that's his right. If he wants to keep it there, fine... but I don't want it here. I let him say everything he wanted to say a few months ago, but the time has passed, his point is made... now it needs to drop.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238237 is a reply to message #237504] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 15:39 |
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Crimson, if EA gave a shit they'd have access on these forums and see to it that you two weren't fighting. They don't care. Please don't hype it up. Not a single person here is any more special than another ... and that includes both Crimson and Spoony. These are supposed to be the official renegade forums and since he didn't break any rules he should be unbanned. Speaking your opinion isn't a ban-able offense. If you want to separate the BHS forums from the official Renegade forums and ban him from there, go for it. If you want to ban him from n00bstories, go for it. I just think that things are starting to go a bit too far. Spoony just got done telling people on clanwars.cc to lighten up with the personal attacks on you, and I know for a fact that he's given up any public attacks on you (unless someone can show proof?). Enough is enough.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238243 is a reply to message #237504] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 16:21 |
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Public posts from him such as:
"Attempting to reason with you is like trying to teach algebra to a chimp, it really is..."
"The difference between you and I is I am capable of handling my official projects in a mature, unbiased, and uncorrupt way."
...do, in fact, qualify. And it was only getting worse. He is claiming that our contact at EA didn't tell me that this crap needed to end, but as far as I know he wasn't secretly listening into the phone call. He said that we either needed to work it out or stop talking to each other. I chose the latter.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238247 is a reply to message #238243] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 16:41 |
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| Crimson wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 17:21 |
Public posts from him such as:
"Attempting to reason with you is like trying to teach algebra to a chimp, it really is..."
"The difference between you and I is I am capable of handling my official projects in a mature, unbiased, and uncorrupt way."
...do, in fact, qualify. And it was only getting worse. He is claiming that our contact at EA didn't tell me that this crap needed to end, but as far as I know he wasn't secretly listening into the phone call. He said that we either needed to work it out or stop talking to each other. I chose the latter.
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You have a point, there was no need for such comments, not really ban worthy just because he chose not to mince his words though - you two obviously have a lot of history and I don't think either of you can really claim to be saints but the simple fact is that you share common goals and he is now claiming that he is prepared to be civil and work together in order to reach them assuming you do the same. If he comes in here and continues with childish insults then you are prooved right and he looks like a fool.
Just seems a shame to throw away a chance at peace even if it's just an act for both of you.
He claimed that HE hadn't recieved any such instruction from EA, which I believe at some point you claimed he had, not that it makes a huge difference.
And why the fuck is this community supposed to be answering to EA all of a sudden, they care less about us and this game than XWIS, prooven I think by the fact that you are having to empty your pockets in order to prevent cheaters when it should be their fucking responsibility. They just made a shit load of money from the first decade and didn't even bother to complete a competition advertising it let alone increase support or update the games.
To sum up, please give it one more try - if only to proove Spoony wrong if you really believe he cannot stick to his words and tell EA to go fuck themselves, for they are the devil incarnate.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238254 is a reply to message #237504] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 17:02 |
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Have you read his proposal? I will show it to you, but let me summarize it:
Dear Crimson:
I think we should ban cheaters from XWIS to give them a message that we don't like them cheating.
You are incompetent, therefore it should be hosted by XWIS and not you. Also, you should have nothing to do with it whatsoever because you make promises and don't deliver anything. Did I mention you were incompetent?
So, please consider my idea because I want to make peace with you even though you are incompetent.
-Spoony
P.S. You are incompetent.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238256 is a reply to message #237504] |
Tue, 09 January 2007 17:09 |
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Uh, also, I don't answer to EA. I had merely asked EA to help us accomplish our goals by giving us the source for the game and letting us release patches through the Westwood Auto-updater because being able to patch ALL clients would give us a lot more power in fighting cheaters since players would be forced to patch or get version mismatch when they tried to join a server.
But Spoony pre-emptively went to EA and said "Hey guys, Crimson is going to ask to take over hosting the Renegade listing service and wants to take it away from XWIS. These are all the reasons why you should deny her request." Never mind that I never intended to ask such a thing and I have NO idea how such an idea got into his head. So, when I had my extremely time-limited conference over the phone with him, I had to waste several minutes of that time talking about the "Spoony situation" that he should have never known about in the first place.
So now when I decide to remove him from the forums that I built and I pay for, he goes and cries to EA about it? Ridiculous. I don't answer to EA and I will not set a precedent that he can cry to EA when I don't do what he wants me to do and get results from it. I have done a lot more for EA than they have done for me, of that you can be damn sure.
I'm the bawss.
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