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If you have as much concept of civic duty and loyalty backed up with action as I think you do, you would never understand.
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let he among you that has not sinned cast the first stone...right? The very first insult thrown on this thread...so dont even blame me
same side or not...if you're not in it for the right reason, then you're not on my side.
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Why is it, every time the US has any kind of a conflict, the anti war/conflict groups start the "Draft Re-opened" rumor?
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putting words into my mouth...and then I defended myself.
as for spotelmo...we weren't in Korea nor vietnam for the right reasons. They started out good...but they turned into mental retardation that we should be there.
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oK, You quoting scripture is funny.
Second, what were the reasons we were in Korea?
Third, you still think South Vietnam exists as a soveriegn nation. Why should we even ponder for a second what you think of that entire situation?
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| the draft [message #22055] |
Sat, 24 May 2003 15:41 |
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south korea and vietnam were both noble causes.
we were there to stop communist aggression. in korea we were successful. in vietnam, the military was successful, the politicians were not. either way, they were both good reasons to go to war. just like if north korea were to attack the south today, it would be a good reason to go to war again.
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| the draft [message #22344] |
Tue, 27 May 2003 07:25 |
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The Korean War was a good cause, despite what socialist assholes may think. North Korea invaded South Korea, which is obviously wrong.
The Vietnam War was a good cause, same reason for the Korean War. Look, I may not agreee with EVERYTHING Lindin(sp?) Johnson (Nixon was not the bad guy) did, but does that make the entire war was WRONG? No.
The North Vietnamese violated the Geneva Convention SEVERAL times. What did the UN do? Nothing. The Viet Cocks would purposely kill medics; they'd set up booby traps and hid in holes like cowards.
But, of course, WE are the ones to blame, right? God Forbid we defend someone elses freedom. God Forbid we cared about the South Vietnamese, right? :rolleyes:
God is the "0wnage". Plain and Simple.
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Tue, 27 May 2003 15:51 |
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Yah, the NVA violated the Geneva convention all over the place, stting traps for medics, killing villages that would not support them, shooting downed airmen, etc, but that is noting new. The Koreans did the same things, and the Japanese trained their troops to yell "corpsman"(the Marine equivelent of a medic) just to wipe out evey medic the could reach.
Also, I beleive that the simple abandonment of the Sout Vietnamese was just wrong, especially when we really knew about the politicat "purges" that would follow(simply because that is what every communist goverment since the dawn of time has done when taking over new territory).
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Sun, 01 June 2003 11:21 |
anort893
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MrBob wrote:
North Korea invaded South Korea, which is obviously wrong.
no more than the North invaded the south during our own Civil War. Remember...Korea was it's own country first...same with Vietnam
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Duke, learn your history. The Union invaded the Confederacy because it broke away from a soveriegn state. Korea wasn't a state before the Korean war, it was teritory conquered by Japan. The commies then took over the north and set up a government there, and the U.S. took the south and set up a governmet there. The North decided that it wanted it all, and invaded with the help of other foriegn powers. There is NO comparison to the American Civil War.
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Sun, 01 June 2003 16:28 |
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no more than the North invaded the south during our own Civil War.
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The Confederacy attacked first. If they hadn't, Lincoln may not have been able to get enough political support for a war with the south.
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| the draft [message #23356] |
Mon, 02 June 2003 01:14 |
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MrBob wrote:
North Korea invaded South Korea, which is obviously wrong.
no more than the North invaded the south during our own Civil War. Remember...Korea was it's own country first...same with Vietnam
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Duke, learn your history. The Union invaded the Confederacy because it broke away from a soveriegn state. Korea wasn't a state before the Korean war, it was teritory conquered by Japan. The commies then took over the north and set up a government there, and the U.S. took the south and set up a governmet there. The North decided that it wanted it all, and invaded with the help of other foriegn powers. There is NO comparison to the American Civil War.
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Korea broke away but was a country for a short period of time before it broke into two parts, north and south. However, what we were trying to do is to free those that wanted freedom but could not due to outside powers. No matter how you look at it, that should be the ultimate goal of the US. Help those that want help!
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Mon, 02 June 2003 09:25 |
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A-Level History
American Civil War: Overview
Important features
The two main theatres of land warfare
West of Appalachians centring on Mississippi
East of Appalachians centring on the area between the rival capitals Washington and Richmond
Strategy and tactics
This is often called the first modern war.
By the 1860s muskets with rapid fire and rifled barrels (accurate range of 600 yards instead of previous 60) were changing the nature of land warfare. They could easily destroy drilled infantry still advancing in close formation as in the Napoleonic Wars. At Gettysburg defenders in secure positions shot Pickett's disastrous charge to pieces and ensured it was the last display of old-style tactics.
Until 1863 warfare was dominated by an army's need to maintain a line of communication with its supply base. But Grant and Sherman in the South showed the terrible effectiveness of striking into enemy territory and living off the land, the invaders plundering and devastating it as they marched.
At sea, warfare was in transition. Steam was replacing sail and both sides experimented with ironclad ships.
Casualties
Half a million men were killed.
Resources
Most advantages were with the Union
an organised government
twice the manpower of the South
most of the industry
command of the seas (hence successful blockade of South)The Confederacy had one main advantage
it was the world's main supplier of cotton
Fast Forward
1861 Southern states withdraw (secede) from the Union on election of anti-slavery president Lincoln
1861 Feb Provisional government of Confederacy is set up with Jefferson Davis as President
1861 April Confederacy starts war by attacking Fort Sumter, Union garrison in Southern territory
1861 July At Ist battle of Bull Run in Virginia Confederate general 'Stonewall Jackson' holds off Union forces
1862 September Confederate general Lee's attempted invasion of North is defeated at Antietam in Virginia 1862 Union executes pincer movement on Confederacy west of Appalachians - Grant defeats Confederates at Shiloh in North and Farragut captures New Orleans in South
1863 July Lee's second invasion of North is defeated at Gettysburg in Pennsylvania, spelling beginning of end for Confederacy
1863 May-July Grant takes Union army down Mississippi and captures Confederate stronghold of Vicksburg, cutting South in two
1864 July-Dec Sherman invades Georgia and burns Atlanta - his 'march to the sea' bisects South again
1864 Grant wears down Lee's reserves and besieges Richmond
1865 Sherman invades Carolinas while Grant drives Confederates from Richmond
1865 April Lee surrenders at Appomattox
Source: History Channel
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| the draft [message #23452] |
Mon, 02 June 2003 17:39 |
anort893
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The Confederacy had one main advantage
it was the world's main supplier of cotton
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Actually, the Confederacy's main advantage was the amount of military genius they had working for their side(Lee, Forrest, etc.) and the Unions's inablility to find competent leadersheap until much later in the war.
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| the draft [message #23828] |
Thu, 05 June 2003 18:49 |
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I dont want to start a flame war I just thought it was little funny, thats all. Im sorry I got your panties in a bunch. :rolleyes:
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You thought that providing historical evidence from the history channel is funny?
"I'm sorry I got your panties in a bunch.", nice show of your extremely low maturity level, child.
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