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Hey guys,
today I was talking to an old buddy of mine who told me quite a bizzare story:

-This buddy (who im not gonna name) told me that BHS was told about certain memory leaks in Rengaurd about 3 years ago.

-Appearently that 0x90 guy, found this exploit and that exactly how his little app (im not gonna put the name) works.

-This is the most bizzare, he/she also told me that BHS ignorned the first couple of times people brought this up, sort of shrugging it off, not worrying too much about it. So they decided to do nothing about it.

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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237697 is a reply to message #237695] Sat, 06 January 2007 20:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 04:27

Hey guys,
today I was talking to an old buddy of mine who told me quite a bizzare story:

-This buddy (who im not gonna name) told me that BHS was told about certain memory leaks in Rengaurd about 3 years ago.

-Appearently that 0x90 guy, found this exploit and that exactly how his little app (im not gonna put the name) works.

-This is the most bizzare, he/she also told me that BHS ignorned the first couple of times people brought this up, sort of shrugging it off, not worrying too much about it. So they decided to do nothing about it.

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false. im not exploiting any "memory leaks".
but btw.. please tell me how to "exploit memory leaks". im very interested ...

Razz
Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237702 is a reply to message #237695] Sat, 06 January 2007 21:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BHS seems to be a bit of an enigma at the moment. Nothing has been done in a loooooong time. Well, besides scripts, but that's one guy.
Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237703 is a reply to message #237697] Sat, 06 January 2007 21:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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0x90 wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 21:34

trooprm02 wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 04:27

Hey guys,
today I was talking to an old buddy of mine who told me quite a bizzare story:

-This buddy (who im not gonna name) told me that BHS was told about certain memory leaks in Rengaurd about 3 years ago.

-Appearently that 0x90 guy, found this exploit and that exactly how his little app (im not gonna put the name) works.

-This is the most bizzare, he/she also told me that BHS ignorned the first couple of times people brought this up, sort of shrugging it off, not worrying too much about it. So they decided to do nothing about it.

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false. im not exploiting any "memory leaks".
but btw.. please tell me how to "exploit memory leaks". im very interested ...

Razz



You know because of people like who think its "c0ol" to cheat on online video games, then like come to the point of taughing us, Crimson and other people have been really quite about various projects like rg1.04 aka rg2, for example because of "spies" and im sure thats the right thing to do, but because of YOU we are left hanging.

P.S: For more info on RG mem leaks, PM me. (ROFL, you wish. Still PM me your address tho, so I can come to kill you, kthnx Big Grin )


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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237714 is a reply to message #237695] Sat, 06 January 2007 23:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237715 is a reply to message #237695] Sat, 06 January 2007 23:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It wouldn't surprise me. The general strategy seems to be to be:

1. Assess risk

If risk is valid:
2. Stop information flow, edit forum posts etc. to stop people discussing it openly in a (vain) attempt to make sure cheaters don't hear about it, that way the hole isn't an issue.

If risk is not valid:
2. Let the person know and move on.

It's the same today, naming of cheats or even google search suggestions to prove a point get edited by the moderators.

I consider it closing the door after the horse has bolted, but that's the way things seem to work around here.


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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237717 is a reply to message #237695] Sun, 07 January 2007 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, BHS hasn't done ANYTHING... nevermind WOLProxy that has stopped several servers from crashing when XWIS (often) dies. And let's forget that we are merely days/weeks away from bringing back the public ladder (http://renladder.blackhand-studios.net)... but if that qualifies as "doing nothing" then I guess we're a bunch of slack-asses. Oh yeah, we're also close to releasing a tool to make serial banning possible, plus a couple exploit fixes and ladder-related fixes.

But, oh yeah, we haven't done anything recently at ALL Roll Eyes.

RenGuard doesn't have any (known) memory leaks and as 0x90 says, he's not exploiting a memory leak. Your friend is clueless.


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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237727 is a reply to message #237695] Sun, 07 January 2007 02:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lol exploiting memory leaks.

First you should know what a memory leak even is. It's a memory space that has been forgotten by the programm. It usually happens when you allocate new memory on the heap, and then delete the pointer to the memory without freeing the memory to which the pointer pointed too. You can't exploit anything there, because this memory gets never used again by the programm. And the memory will stay unused until the programm itself dies.


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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237731 is a reply to message #237727] Sun, 07 January 2007 03:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why is 0x90 not banned from XWIS altogether, never mind this forum?

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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237741 is a reply to message #237717] Sun, 07 January 2007 04:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 08:00


RenGuard doesn't have any (known) memory leaks and as 0x90 says, he's not exploiting a memory leak. Your friend is clueless.

Cat998 wrote...

lol exploiting memory leaks.
First you should know what a memory leak even is. It's a memory space that has been forgotten by the programm. It usually happens when you allocate new memory on the heap, and then delete the pointer to the memory without freeing the memory to which the pointer pointed too. You can't exploit anything there, because this memory gets never used again by the programm. And the memory will stay unused until the programm itself dies.


thank you. obviously some people didnt get the (subtle) irony of my first post.
just like cat998 i found it funny to "exploit memory leaks". Razz

oh and @maidenty: youre annoying. please stop flaming me.

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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237742 is a reply to message #237741] Sun, 07 January 2007 04:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not flaming you. When I flame you, you'll know. I was simply asking why someone who intends to do so much harm to the computer game this forum is for, is allowed to get away with it without penalty. As for me being 'annoying', I find it annoying that you make and distribute cheats for Renegade, which leads to the sorry state the game is in now. So how about a deal? My comment annoys you, your continuing efforts to destroy this computer game annoys me. So I'll leave you alone if you immediately and permanently cease trying to fuck this game up. Deal?

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I think he confused my memory hacks/editing and RG 1.03 ain't stopping that, that's correct, and some cheats exploit this. And that's why we're waiting for 1.04.

Seems to me 0x90 ain't banned because he didn't break rules. And the xwis serial banning has been tried. You know yourself how expensive Renegade is.


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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237749 is a reply to message #237717] Sun, 07 January 2007 05:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 01:00

Yeah, BHS hasn't done ANYTHING... nevermind WOLProxy that has stopped several servers from crashing when XWIS (often) dies. And let's forget that we are merely days/weeks away from bringing back the public ladder (http://renladder.blackhand-studios.net)... but if that qualifies as "doing nothing" then I guess we're a bunch of slack-asses. Oh yeah, we're also close to releasing a tool to make serial banning possible, plus a couple exploit fixes and ladder-related fixes.

But, oh yeah, we haven't done anything recently at ALL Roll Eyes.

RenGuard doesn't have any (known) memory leaks and as 0x90 says, he's not exploiting a memory leak. Your friend is clueless.


I would prefer rg 1.04 over some ladder that makes pointwhores in large servers think they are good tbh. I wish renguard was your priority as this community needs it a lot more than any other projects you may have been working on.


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Wow, good job missing the point.

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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237753 is a reply to message #237746] Sun, 07 January 2007 05:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 06:22

Seems to me 0x90 ain't banned because he didn't break rules.

You have got to be kidding me.

When Crimson wrongly accused me of ddosing Renguard in an attempt to defame my character out of anger, people were banned for saying things like "but spoony didn't do that".

On that basis, keeping 0x90 unbanned is laughable.

Goztow wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 06:22

And the xwis serial banning has been tried. You know yourself how expensive Renegade is.

So do what I do at CW. If someone's banned and they sneak back in, ban them again. Repeat as long as it takes for them to get the message. It works for us... it really just depends whether you have the persistence and the will, I suppose.


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It isn't that simple. There's no way to track back to him. How many players do you have to keep track of in cw.cc? On Xwis there's at least 10.000 or more.

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Goztow wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 05:34

It isn't that simple. There's no way to track back to him. How many players do you have to keep track of in cw.cc? On Xwis there's at least 10.000 or more.

Thousands. Perhaps not ten thousand, but thousands nonetheless.

As for there being no way to track back to him, I accomplish this pretty well at CW without any access to serials whatsoever...


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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237760 is a reply to message #237695] Sun, 07 January 2007 05:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't understand how banning 0x90 (who doesn't play Renegade) from XWIS is going to stop him from making his particular software. The idea that an XWIS ban would stop a cheater for a moment from ruining Renegade games is laughable at best.

And apparently we're supposed to ban someone who helps people with their RenGuard problems. I guess I have a lot of banning to do.


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Re: BHS Rumor's [message #237765 is a reply to message #237760] Sun, 07 January 2007 05:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 06:46

I don't understand how banning 0x90 (who doesn't play Renegade) from XWIS is going to stop him from making his particular software. The idea that an XWIS ban would stop a cheater for a moment from ruining Renegade games is laughable at best.

What's laughable is the admins don't take any official stance of opposition. I know it probably wouldn't stop him trying to destroy this game, but it'd send a clear message that you don't plan on tolerating it, wouldn't it?

Crimson wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 06:46

And apparently we're supposed to ban someone who helps people with their RenGuard problems. I guess I have a lot of banning to do.

Do you not think it reflects negatively on this forum and Renguard that you're happy to let a piece of pond life like 0x90 do your job for you?


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When have I ever implied that I SUPPORT his software product???? Are you on crack? I don't support his software or his motives for creating it in the SLIGHTEST degree and it's ludicrous that you'd ever think that.

What is the point of a ban if it doesn't keep the person from doing the thing you're trying to stop them from doing?!??!?!?!?!


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fortunately my english isnt good enough to translate "piece of pond life" correctly but then again something tells me that not understanding it is ok in this case. or are you flaming now?! Wink

and like crimson stated correctly: i dont play renegade. i even dont own any serial so serial-banning me from xwis should be quite hard anyways Razz

and im not "doing their job", im only trying to help people with their problems if i think i know why it happens and perhaps how to solve it. like everyone else is using his/her experience and/or knowlegde to help people as good as they can.
actually theyre seeing "their job" in developing the new renguard more than fixing some annoying/random bugs of the old version, i guess.

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0x90 wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 14:22

fortunately my english isnt good enough to translate "piece of pond life" correctly but then again something tells me that not understanding it is ok in this case. or are you flaming now?! Wink

and like crimson stated correctly: i dont play renegade. i even dont own any serial so serial-banning me from xwis should be quite hard anyways Razz

and im not "doing their job", im only trying to help people with their problems if i think i know why it happens and perhaps how to solve it. like everyone else is using his/her experience and/or knowlegde to help people as good as they can.
actually theyre seeing "their job" in developing the new renguard more than fixing some annoying/random bugs of the old version, i guess.

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so why do you feel the need to try and destroy a game you don't even play?

Really what do YOU gain from it?


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0x90 wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 07:22

fortunately my english isnt good enough to translate "piece of pond life" correctly but then again something tells me that not understanding it is ok in this case. or are you flaming now?! Wink

It was not a compliment... in fact, you can interpret it as a flame.

0x90 wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 07:22

and like crimson stated correctly: i dont play renegade. i even dont own any serial so serial-banning me from xwis should be quite hard anyways Razz

Your life must truly suck if you spend so much time trying to destroy a game you don't even play. Yes, that was a flame too.

This does not answer why you are not banned from this forum.

Crimson wrote:

When have I ever implied that I SUPPORT his software product???? Are you on crack? I don't support his software or his motives for creating it in the SLIGHTEST degree and it's ludicrous that you'd ever think that.

I'd have an easier time addressing this paragraph if I know what the hell you were talking about, since I didn't say you support his software product.

Crimson wrote:

What is the point of a ban if it doesn't keep the person from doing the thing you're trying to stop them from doing?!??!?!?!?!

I repeat: it would send a clear message that you oppose it.

Say I ran a pub. Someone used my pub as a venue to deal drugs, and I barred them for it. Would that stop them dealing drugs? In all likelihood, no. It'd make it pretty damn clear that this pub of mine officially opposes dealing drugs on the premises, wouldn't it?


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It's a common misinterpretation that 0x90 spent a lot of time in doing what he did. For him it was quite easy. Still prolly 'a lot of time' for some of us but quite a little amount of time compared to what people like cyberprick put into Renegade cheating and compared to what you (Spoony) and me put into Renegade.

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So wait, what exactly did this 0x90 guy do?

If he made a cheat, why the fukc isnt he banned from XWIS and the forums?


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