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| Re: Pure Mode [message #233919 is a reply to message #233917] |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Tue, 12 December 2006 17:04 |
I recently watched quite a few renegade video's on youtube and google videos and was shocked by the number of people using advantage skins 
Even the simpliest of things (like that spongebob timed c4, which is quite popular) gives players using a HUGE advantage. This big yellow thing sticking out (timed c4) is 100% impossible to not see, and other things like paintball gives the advantage to see where people are shooting you from easier. I was even more shocked to learn they allow suck skins on cw.cc,(and I saw the most advantaged skinning on a cw.cc ren video), and even a ren buddy of mine was using the spongebob one 
The point is, whats the harm is making all the server in pure mode? the most harm would be to make sure its a 100% level playing feild for everyone, and for people like me who refuse to give themselves even the slightest advantage (I dont even use recticle skin, nothing), make it so they can actually play with people who's ramjet isn't yellow and disgustingly easy to see...
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You make a good point. I bet all the good snipers use those bright skins that stick out. :/ They're too lazy to practice.
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #233954 is a reply to message #233917] |
Wed, 13 December 2006 04:22 |
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Most of the servers allow bright skins. Though I think they're stupid, I think it's dumb to single out clanwars.cc(Do you even play in it or did you quit after being beat?) for allowing it when it's not like they're the only ones. and no, why would spongebob c4 be a Where would this give you a significant advantage? If you can't see c4 on a mct you may need glasses. In fact, most of the time I play I can't remember a single time where timed c4 would have affected me or the game. If someone threw a timed c4 on my tank, (which they'd have to be an sbh to be able to do, and it would be a stupid thing to do..) I can see it perfectly fine. The only time I would have trouble seeing it is if it disappeared into the tank like it sometimes happens and it doesn't matter what color it is it's going to go invisible.
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #233955 is a reply to message #233917] |
Wed, 13 December 2006 04:31 |
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I don't fully agree on public servers because that's where you play for fun. ( and fun could include make the game look nicer ) but those bright skins and other stuff which you know for yourself give an advantage should be disabled both pub and cw. But for tournament typ games like clanwars though I don't play no more I think that all skins should be dissalowed + sounds. To make the game more fair for both sides.
Myself I don't use skins at all not even a reticle
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #233965 is a reply to message #233956] |
Wed, 13 December 2006 08:42 |
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| Herr wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 12:42 |
We had that discussion on our forums too.
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Well actually it's because the majority does not use Renguard, so they would not be able to join the server. Look at our server, when you do the !nonrgplayers command, you'll see that over 50-60% of the people does not have renguard. With us being one of the most crowded servers, think of the little servers, how would they be able to get more players when they use Pure mode.
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well, the problem with being the top server is that you'll probably also get the most noobs, so..
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234001 is a reply to message #233955] |
Wed, 13 December 2006 13:27 |
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| JPNOD wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 05:31 |
I don't fully agree on public servers because that's where you play for fun. ( and fun could include make the game look nicer ) but those bright skins and other stuff which you know for yourself give an advantage should be disabled both pub and cw. But for tournament typ games like clanwars though I don't play no more I think that all skins should be dissalowed + sounds. To make the game more fair for both sides.
Myself I don't use skins at all not even a reticle
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Thats exactly why I brought up the cw.cc disscusion, supposibly they believe they are better than average people, but so would anybody be if the 500 sniper was purplish green, the ramjet was yellow, and etc. Even the matrix stealth thing, when you get close to a stealth, it makes it more visible and noticable  And recticle, well we all know the default one is buggy and not accurate, so even switching that (or the hud) is an advantage  De7, your defending the spongebob advantage c4? If im beaconing, I place the beacon, put my c4 behind, and 1 clip of my pistol to cover the c4...well, if the c4 is f'ing yellow, that idea is useless...
Anyway, I know some people will say that "its my game, and I like to make it look cooler", thats ok, untill it gets to a point to where your skins give you an unfair advantage against everyone else. I also know making all server pure mode is not ethical atm, but something along these lines could (should) be implemented 
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234004 is a reply to message #234001] |
Wed, 13 December 2006 13:46 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 21:27 |
| JPNOD wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 05:31 |
I don't fully agree on public servers because that's where you play for fun. ( and fun could include make the game look nicer ) but those bright skins and other stuff which you know for yourself give an advantage should be disabled both pub and cw. But for tournament typ games like clanwars though I don't play no more I think that all skins should be dissalowed + sounds. To make the game more fair for both sides.
Myself I don't use skins at all not even a reticle
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Thats exactly why I brought up the cw.cc disscusion, supposibly they believe they are better than average people, but so would anybody be if the 500 sniper was purplish green, the ramjet was yellow, and etc. Even the matrix stealth thing, when you get close to a stealth, it makes it more visible and noticable And recticle, well we all know the default one is buggy and not accurate, so even switching that (or the hud) is an advantage De7, your defending the spongebob advantage c4? If im beaconing, I place the beacon, put my c4 behind, and 1 clip of my pistol to cover the c4...well, if the c4 is f'ing yellow, that idea is useless...
Anyway, I know some people will say that "its my game, and I like to make it look cooler", thats ok, untill it gets to a point to where your skins give you an unfair advantage against everyone else. I also know making all server pure mode is not ethical atm, but something along these lines could (should) be implemented
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So, your making out the skins are making you lose? We aren't stopping you from personalising yours, so why are you trying to make out its bad?
I can aim just as well with any reticle, i just happen to prefer one made by someone else. I don't use advantage skins, as they good only on some maps and a hindrance on others on others.
Any good player would beat you without the skins anyway, alot of skins are there to make it look good more than anything.
Plus, your C4 argument is complete shit, you can hear it bleeping anyway, if you can't see it you need your eyes testing.
Note:Trooprm02 played 2 maps on cw.cc, lost both and made out it was the servers fault.
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234005 is a reply to message #233917] |
Wed, 13 December 2006 14:00 |
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The beeping is no part of Renegade, it's a core patch feature. And it isn't supposed to bleep for anything except your own c4 (though it does sometimes).
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234021 is a reply to message #234001] |
Wed, 13 December 2006 15:26 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 14:27 |
| JPNOD wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 05:31 |
I don't fully agree on public servers because that's where you play for fun. ( and fun could include make the game look nicer ) but those bright skins and other stuff which you know for yourself give an advantage should be disabled both pub and cw. But for tournament typ games like clanwars though I don't play no more I think that all skins should be dissalowed + sounds. To make the game more fair for both sides.
Myself I don't use skins at all not even a reticle
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Thats exactly why I brought up the cw.cc disscusion, supposibly they believe they are better than average people, but so would anybody be if the 500 sniper was purplish green, the ramjet was yellow, and etc. Even the matrix stealth thing, when you get close to a stealth, it makes it more visible and noticable And recticle, well we all know the default one is buggy and not accurate, so even switching that (or the hud) is an advantage De7, your defending the spongebob advantage c4? If im beaconing, I place the beacon, put my c4 behind, and 1 clip of my pistol to cover the c4...well, if the c4 is f'ing yellow, that idea is useless...
Anyway, I know some people will say that "its my game, and I like to make it look cooler", thats ok, untill it gets to a point to where your skins give you an unfair advantage against everyone else. I also know making all server pure mode is not ethical atm, but something along these lines could (should) be implemented
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I think you're stupid if you think it helps you more than it hurts you. Besides, what are the chances of that affecting a game? 1 in 300? That's a rough estimate, and it probably wouldn't affect it if you could just LOOK. It's not hard to see, not even if there's bullet holes around it and the ground is matching/wall/whatever is matching. So even if it did, and it happened one out of 300 games, you said it's a SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE. I don't use skins, except a reticle which i've used for the past 2 years, it doesn't give me an advantage except that by now I'm just used to that one than I am with the custom reticle. Before that reticle, yes, I used the custom one, for about 2 and a half years. I did use skins, though it was a hotwire one and it wasn't a bright skin. Oh, and I also used a PT skin (Try saying that one's an advantage - I double-dare you, unless you think taking an extra second to absorb the PT is an advantage)
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234134 is a reply to message #234115] |
Thu, 14 December 2006 10:54 |
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I was even more shocked to learn they allow suck skins on cw.cc,(and I saw the most advantaged skinning on a cw.cc ren video)
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There's a clanwars.cc ren video? 
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Thats exactly why I brought up the cw.cc disscusion, supposibly they believe they are better than average people, but so would anybody be if the 500 sniper was purplish green, the ramjet was yellow, and etc.
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I can be reasonably confident in saying the best players at clanwars.cc probably don't use and certainly don't need advantage skins.
| trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 14 December 2006 09:47 |
I also never even played 1 SINGLE game on cw.cc, I started a thread asking for a cw, instead got a 3 page spam thread
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You already had my msn and I said you could ask me for clan games anytime, did you? H2O gave you their msns, did you ask them?
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And, i also played a funwar against a player on cw.cc (not related), and I bet him (map=mesa)
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That's not how he tells it, so perhaps you have a screenshot?
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234137 is a reply to message #233965] |
Thu, 14 December 2006 11:06 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 09:42 |
| Herr wrote on Wed, 13 December 2006 12:42 |
We had that discussion on our forums too.
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Well actually it's because the majority does not use Renguard, so they would not be able to join the server. Look at our server, when you do the !nonrgplayers command, you'll see that over 50-60% of the people does not have renguard. With us being one of the most crowded servers, think of the little servers, how would they be able to get more players when they use Pure mode.
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well, the problem with being the top server is that you'll probably also get the most noobs, so..
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234162 is a reply to message #233917] |
Thu, 14 December 2006 13:01 |
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in troops mind, if you ped beacon in a server that has the End Game Beacon option turned off, you still win anyway; even if your too retarded to check before hand. btw i still had a huge point advantage before he left. so, according to everybody elses rules (and excluding your own because they make no sense whatsoever) i won that game.
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234172 is a reply to message #233917] |
Thu, 14 December 2006 13:52 |
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This is just a joke, right?
If the skin was such a thread to the integrity of the game (to the extent that it gave someone a 'cheat-like' advantage) ... why wouldn't RenGuard block it? I understand they don't know about every skin, recticle, etc. out there ...... but they know about a LOT of modifications to the game and have not blocked them.
Some things are merely cosmetic while others enhance your gameplay.
If you were a tribe from the congo going up US special forces, do you think they'd be using the same technology? No, it'd be a slaughter. But what if that same technology was available for either side to use? Then it would be fair, right? Well that is exactly how I see Renegade. Some things like the "tracer pack" which help illuminate bullets and splash are extremely realistic and are used in real life. And since anyone can download it, its just a matter of finding it.
I played my first 2+ years of Renegade with absolutely NO skins or modifications whatsoever. None. Now I have a few that I would not play without, simply because I enjoy them. Does that make me less skilled? No. I honestly think I could own the same person with or without the skins.
Further, when brining clanwars.cc players into the argument, don't assume that skins have anything to do withe fact that they're better than a non-clanwars.cc player. These people live and breath DAILY competition. Whereas the rest of the community that is "clanning" may only play one or two clanwars a week. If that. Their experience is far higher, and many of them abandoned the community/pub servers because the competition became a joke. It has nothing to do with skins.
Back to the main topic, I think some skins do give you a better advantage ... but not a "cheat like" advantage that one should complain about. If there was a skin or modification that was not publically available and gave someone a clear advantage - that would be close to cheating in my eyes. So until the anticheats block these modifications/skins ... or until a server tells me I cannot use them there ... "PLAY BALL!"
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234183 is a reply to message #234115] |
Thu, 14 December 2006 14:17 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 14 December 2006 16:47 |
I started this after watching some video's players made, nothing to do with 1 particle moment..
I also never even played 1 SINGLE game on cw.cc, I started a thread asking for a cw, instead got a 3 page spam thread
And, i also played a funwar against a player on cw.cc (not related), and I bet him (map=mesa)
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For starters, you called the entire community noobs, not a good start is it?
And i remember seeing people saying "i've added you but your not online..."
Convenient?
(note: as Wiggles said, you didn't beat him at all, you were getting owned and you left.)
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234305 is a reply to message #234162] |
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| MrWiggles wrote on Thu, 14 December 2006 14:01 |
in troops mind, if you ped beacon in a server that has the End Game Beacon option turned off, you still win anyway; even if your too retarded to check before hand. btw i still had a huge point advantage before he left. so, according to everybody elses rules (and excluding your own because they make no sense whatsoever) i won that game.
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You should have taken a screenshot of him saying that if you nuke the pedestal with ped off you still deserve the win, even in 1v1s. I would probably make it my desktop.
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234613 is a reply to message #233917] |
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Well.. most of the clan players would still own up any time with or without the skins so thats not really a valid argument, but I do think it will just give that little more that could give a bit of advantage. It's still how you look at it though because on some maps being on Nod or GDI can be an advantage. But if you play this game for fun pimping up your arty in blue for the heck of it then I don't see whats wrong with that. In tournament based/clan games and it was to be for serious/ competitive play then skins/modified sounds should not be allowed just so both sides get the same stuff to start off with. But as long as most people on clanwars play for (fun and competitive wise) I don't think thats going to happen. And for some hardcore cw players with or without skins that's really not going to matter at all. Because tactics really do have nothing to do with skins.
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| Re: Pure Mode [message #234787 is a reply to message #234183] |
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| Acey#GW wrote on Thu, 14 December 2006 15:17 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 14 December 2006 16:47 |
I started this after watching some video's players made, nothing to do with 1 particle moment..
I also never even played 1 SINGLE game on cw.cc, I started a thread asking for a cw, instead got a 3 page spam thread
And, i also played a funwar against a player on cw.cc (not related), and I bet him (map=mesa)
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For starters, you called the entire community noobs, not a good start is it?
And i remember seeing people saying "i've added you but your not online..."
Convenient?
(note: as Wiggles said, you didn't beat him at all, you were getting owned and you left.)
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I added like 6 guys on msn, i asked them ALL "1vs1?" nothing..
Later, the only person who even said anything after was wiskey who later PM'd me about my request.
BTW, wiggles was betting me in 1vs1 (only in points) I had MUCH better k/d, and I eventually won by end game beacon, and I got the SS's, ill dig 'em up and post them
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. We allow the spongebob c4 though, even though I have to agree with you. If it was a skin which made it harder to see, it wouldn't be popular at all 
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