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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226114 is a reply to message #226041] |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 08:51 |
| cheekay77 wrote on Tue, 10 October 2006 23:29 |
Sure hes the worst regime leader in the last century, sure his power relies on what the people dont know, sure his people are starving.
But who cares. They dont know anybetter, at least not yet.
Let him have his nukes, until he plans on blowing up the world. let him be, i mean come on, Kim Jong Ill is in a way, just trying to get richer, and maybe for the world to not look down on him as a trechorous regime communist leader.
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You're kidding, right? They threatened to detonate a nuke, they did. Now they're threatening the US with a nuclear tipped missile. From what I've read, NK doesn't bluff. Granted, this time I think that they're stretching it a bit, since they seem to suck horribly at missiles. Either way, he now has leverage and plans to use it.
Unfortunately, China doesn't want the USA being involved in any of their affairs, so they're going to try desperately to keep NK from crumbling. Though, they do want punishment for NK... but I think that's more or less an attempt to show the rest of the world that they want to be peaceful, but at the same time keep a nice buffer between them and US troops.
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Your right, but isnt it true that US gets most of its missle technology from NK? Or is that SK?
Its one of them, now before i look like an idiot, im going to say that i am unsure.
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226122 is a reply to message #226121] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 13:33 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 16:30 |
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Your right, but isnt it true that US gets most of its missle technology from NK? Or is that SK?
Its one of them, now before i look like an idiot, im going to say that i am unsure.
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Being enemies with NK, I'm highly doubting that we get any technology from NK, let alone military weaponry.
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Dude, not saying im 100% right, but i could have sworn that on CNN the anchor dude was saying something like
"and considering the fact that they give the US most of their missle technology, the NK government is a dangerous threat"
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226145 is a reply to message #225907] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 15:29 |
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| warranto wrote on Tue, 10 October 2006 13:55 |
Hey, it was enough for Japan to attack. Though it was resources that were cut off, instead of food.
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Hell yes. But in the form of sending armed missiles to him from the sky.
More to the point. Many countries have nukes. England, France, Russia, Canada(they have some US nukes from the NATO alliances of the Cold War), Pakistan, India, Israel, former USSR countries, and the USA(We have the most...combined) to name a few. Most of these countries have signed treaties to not use them and disarm/destroy them after seeing just how powerful they are. The USA even bought up most of the former USSR's nuke to disarm and keep out of terrorist hands.
Hydrogen and Neutron bombs are another story. All of those were made during the cold war and are not allowed to be armed by those Non-nuclear treaties.
ATM, the only real concern is a war between North Korea and Japan/China. The are blocked on all sides by armies or navies, I doubt they'll sneak out a nuke, however, they may sneak out information. But, the US will probally not rally to war as most of you seem to think. It is more finacially feasible for us to stay out of it. I'll list the reasons if you'd like, but I'm feeling lazy atm.
As for WWIII, you are quite wrong. They lack any ability to hurl any guided or unguided missile(Let alone one with a nuclear payload) to the US, any European country, and BARELY have the ability to hit Japan. So, chances are, at the absolute worst, they'll either toss em into South Korea, China, or Japan or do some other act to coerse them into war and a Korean theater will open that'll end in a fight(armed or unarmed) between China and South Korea over control of the conquered North Korea. Not saying other countries won't join in, but I seriously doubt any North Korean allies having the balls or ability to help them or that it won't be an ugly long war, but that it won't be an apocalypse, WWIII, or some nuclear show of arms.
I feel sorry for the south Koreans...
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226148 is a reply to message #226121] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 15:34 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 15:30 |
| cheekay77 |
Your right, but isnt it true that US gets most of its missle technology from NK? Or is that SK?
Its one of them, now before i look like an idiot, im going to say that i am unsure.
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Being enemies with NK, I'm highly doubting that we get any technology from NK, let alone military weaponry.
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You are a dumbass.
We had nukes, ICBMs, and other nuclear weapons before North or South Korea were even created.
If memory serves me correct, the US funded the Manhattan Project in WWII, which was long before the Korean war 
and why in a blue hell would we get technology from a third world ally of our enemy during the cold war!?!?!?
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226153 is a reply to message #226148] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 15:49 |
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| Blast wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 18:34 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 15:30 |
| cheekay77 |
Your right, but isnt it true that US gets most of its missle technology from NK? Or is that SK?
Its one of them, now before i look like an idiot, im going to say that i am unsure.
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Being enemies with NK, I'm highly doubting that we get any technology from NK, let alone military weaponry.
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You are a dumbass.
We had nukes, ICBMs, and other nuclear weapons before North or South Korea were even created.
If memory serves me correct, the US funded the Manhattan Project in WWII, which was long before the Korean war
and why in a blue hell would we get technology from a third world ally of our enemy during the cold war!?!?!?
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I think you meant to quote the person who posted before me. I know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about, and I'm certainly not suggesting that we get any missile technology from North Korea. In fact, I proved otherwise. Either you don't know how to read, or you quoted the wrong person. I'll be kind and guess the latter.
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226155 is a reply to message #226145] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 15:52 |
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More to the point. Many countries have nukes. England, France, Russia, Canada(they have some US nukes from the NATO alliances of the Cold War), Pakistan, India, Israel, former USSR countries, and the USA(We have the most...combined) to name a few. Most of these countries have signed treaties to not use them and disarm/destroy them after seeing just how powerful they are. The USA even bought up most of the former USSR's nuke to disarm and keep out of terrorist hands.
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Actually, our stockpile is less than Russia's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_nuclear_ weapons#Estimated_worldwide_nuclear_stockpiles
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226161 is a reply to message #226155] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 16:16 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 17:52 |
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More to the point. Many countries have nukes. England, France, Russia, Canada(they have some US nukes from the NATO alliances of the Cold War), Pakistan, India, Israel, former USSR countries, and the USA(We have the most...combined) to name a few. Most of these countries have signed treaties to not use them and disarm/destroy them after seeing just how powerful they are. The USA even bought up most of the former USSR's nuke to disarm and keep out of terrorist hands.
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Actually, our stockpile is less than Russia's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_nuclear_ weapons#Estimated_worldwide_nuclear_stockpiles
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Those are active. I mean total.
And yes, I was talking to the historically retarded guy you also quoted.
And also yes, Canada has nukes. They were left there from the Cold War, although they were commissioned and built by the US, many of them remain on Canadian soil and under Canadian control. Even some of the active sites in the US have dual keys between Canadian and US soldiers.
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226162 is a reply to message #226161] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 16:20 |
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| Blast wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 19:16 |
Those are active. I mean total.
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No...
United States 5,735/9,960
Russia 5,830/16,000
Those are the totals.
Also, Canada does not have any warheads anymore. Not since 1984.
Canada has a well developed nuclear technology base, large uranium reserves and markets reactors for civilian use. While Canada has the technological capabilities to develop nuclear weapons, there is no hard evidence it has done so, nor has Canada ever stated an intention to do so. Canada has been an important contributor of both expertise and raw materials to the American program in the past, and had even helped with the Manhattan Project. In 1959, NATO proposed to Canada that the RCAF assume a nuclear strike role in Europe. Thus in 1962 six Canadian CF-104 squadrons based in Europe were formed into the RCAF Nuclear Strike Force armed with B28 nuclear bombs (originally Mk 28) under the NATO nuclear weapons sharing program; the Force was disbanded in 1972 when Canada opted out of the nuclear strike role. Canada accepted having American W-40 nuclear warheads under dual key control on Canadian soil in 1963 to be used on the Canadian BOMARC missiles. The Canadian air force also maintained a stockpile of AIR-2 Genie unguided nuclear air-to-air rockets as the primary wartime weapon on the CF-101 Voodoo all-weather interceptor after 1965. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau declared Canada would be a nuclear weapon-free country in 1971, and the last American warheads were withdrawn in 1984. Canada gave India its first research reactor, the CIRUS, in 1956 and this reactor was used to make the nuclear material used in India's first nuclear device. Canada also produces the renowned CANDU reactor and has sold the technology to several countries, including China, South Korea, India, Romania, Argentina, and Pakistan. However there is no credible evidence that CANDU reactors were used to breed weapons grade material for either India and Pakistan. Canada nevertheless cut off nuclear trade with those two countries after they detonated nuclear weapons.
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226165 is a reply to message #226162] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 16:48 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 18:20 |
| Blast wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 19:16 |
Those are active. I mean total.
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No...
United States 5,735/9,960
Russia 5,830/16,000
Those are the totals.
Also, Canada does not have any warheads anymore. Not since 1984.
Canada has a well developed nuclear technology base, large uranium reserves and markets reactors for civilian use. While Canada has the technological capabilities to develop nuclear weapons, there is no hard evidence it has done so, nor has Canada ever stated an intention to do so. Canada has been an important contributor of both expertise and raw materials to the American program in the past, and had even helped with the Manhattan Project. In 1959, NATO proposed to Canada that the RCAF assume a nuclear strike role in Europe. Thus in 1962 six Canadian CF-104 squadrons based in Europe were formed into the RCAF Nuclear Strike Force armed with B28 nuclear bombs (originally Mk 28) under the NATO nuclear weapons sharing program; the Force was disbanded in 1972 when Canada opted out of the nuclear strike role. Canada accepted having American W-40 nuclear warheads under dual key control on Canadian soil in 1963 to be used on the Canadian BOMARC missiles. The Canadian air force also maintained a stockpile of AIR-2 Genie unguided nuclear air-to-air rockets as the primary wartime weapon on the CF-101 Voodoo all-weather interceptor after 1965. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau declared Canada would be a nuclear weapon-free country in 1971, and the last American warheads were withdrawn in 1984. Canada gave India its first research reactor, the CIRUS, in 1956 and this reactor was used to make the nuclear material used in India's first nuclear device. Canada also produces the renowned CANDU reactor and has sold the technology to several countries, including China, South Korea, India, Romania, Argentina, and Pakistan. However there is no credible evidence that CANDU reactors were used to breed weapons grade material for either India and Pakistan. Canada nevertheless cut off nuclear trade with those two countries after they detonated nuclear weapons.
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I stand corrected on Canada's nukes.
However, those numbers do not include dismantled or disassembled nukes. I know for a fact that the US has thousands more(The military base in my city used to house several and used to have plenty of information on disposal, safety, and dissassembly schedules, and numbers).
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226174 is a reply to message #225677] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 17:54 |
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The United States always had more (total) nuclear weapons than any other nation. I wouldn't trust any wiki on that sort of statistic. I didn't check the date on that, but I'm sure it doesn't include the warheads that are a quarter-turn-to-activate-ready if you catch my meaning. Which the US has a lot of. Another statistic to throw in there is that nearly 90% of the USSR's ICBMs are land-based and are in known locations. Nearly 90% of the US's ICBMs are naval-based and are hidden around the world.
As much as I like Bush, he's being a complete pussy right now by saying he won't do anything militaristic and I think the brainless critics of him around the world are to blame. Now he's walking on eggshells. N.K. needs to have their ass bombed back about 20 years. Oh, and heaven forbid N.K. even TRIED to nuke the US. I don't think we still have a "MAD" policy anymore, but I'm pretty sure we'd sink them to the ocean if one went off.
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226177 is a reply to message #226174] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 18:02 |
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As much as I like Bush, he's being a complete pussy right now by saying he won't do anything militaristic and I think the brainless critics of him around the world are to blame. Now he's walking on eggshells. N.K. needs to have their ass bombed back about 20 years. Oh, and heaven forbid N.K. even TRIED to nuke the US. I don't think we still have a "MAD" policy anymore, but I'm pretty sure we'd sink them to the ocean if one went off.
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China is an ally of NK. We REALLY don't want to be against China. We don't now how far we can go with this NK situation and not ruin relations with China. Personally, I think China has a lot more sway with NK than we do even if we were to threaten military action.
Plus, if we just sit back and laugh while NK makes empty threats about sending nuclear-tipped missiles at us, it'll just silence them and make China speak up. China doesn't want U.S. troops anywhere near their border. If we go to war with NK, troops will be at China's doorstep. The more NK pushes China's buttons with threatening the U.S., the less we'll have to worry about.
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226201 is a reply to message #226162] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 20:35 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 18:20 |
| Blast wrote on Wed, 11 October 2006 19:16 |
Those are active. I mean total.
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No...
United States 5,735/9,960
Russia 5,830/16,000
Those are the totals.
Also, Canada does not have any warheads anymore. Not since 1984.
Canada has a well developed nuclear technology base, large uranium reserves and markets reactors for civilian use. While Canada has the technological capabilities to develop nuclear weapons, there is no hard evidence it has done so, nor has Canada ever stated an intention to do so. Canada has been an important contributor of both expertise and raw materials to the American program in the past, and had even helped with the Manhattan Project. In 1959, NATO proposed to Canada that the RCAF assume a nuclear strike role in Europe. Thus in 1962 six Canadian CF-104 squadrons based in Europe were formed into the RCAF Nuclear Strike Force armed with B28 nuclear bombs (originally Mk 28) under the NATO nuclear weapons sharing program; the Force was disbanded in 1972 when Canada opted out of the nuclear strike role. Canada accepted having American W-40 nuclear warheads under dual key control on Canadian soil in 1963 to be used on the Canadian BOMARC missiles. The Canadian air force also maintained a stockpile of AIR-2 Genie unguided nuclear air-to-air rockets as the primary wartime weapon on the CF-101 Voodoo all-weather interceptor after 1965. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau declared Canada would be a nuclear weapon-free country in 1971, and the last American warheads were withdrawn in 1984. Canada gave India its first research reactor, the CIRUS, in 1956 and this reactor was used to make the nuclear material used in India's first nuclear device. Canada also produces the renowned CANDU reactor and has sold the technology to several countries, including China, South Korea, India, Romania, Argentina, and Pakistan. However there is no credible evidence that CANDU reactors were used to breed weapons grade material for either India and Pakistan. Canada nevertheless cut off nuclear trade with those two countries after they detonated nuclear weapons.
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But for some reason I am not too worried they have more than us... I mean 9,960 nukes is more than plenty to wipe out all of our threats...like a hundred times.(MAD strategy anyone?) And I am not too worried about pissing off China when it comes to North Korea...just remember the main factor that influences world powers: Economy, and guess who buys China's shit the most? Bingo, the US.
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226217 is a reply to message #225677] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 23:55 |
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226318 is a reply to message #225677] |
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Lewis Black: Just look at all the footage coming out of north korea, its all black and white even though it was filmed in color.
Conan: What?
Lewis Black: The north koreans are so evil, they dont emit color!
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Rough quote.
That's why you dont allow nukes.
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226536 is a reply to message #225677] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 17:43 |
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You're all thinking like dumbasses. Think on the global scale and open your fucking eyes.
Watch Kim Jong Il sell the nuclear weapons to pet countries like Syria and Lebanon (via Iran). Then realize that if he starts selling stuff to them, that Jerusalem will = a crater.
Hmm
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| Re: Suicide Note [message #226546 is a reply to message #226543] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 18:25 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 13 October 2006 21:06 |
Joey, why else do you think we're trying to put sanctions on their exports? Why else do you think the U.S. wants to inspect outgoing and incoming merchant ships? We want to make sure that there are no nuclear weapons leaving North Korea and getting into the hands of Middle Eastern countries.
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No shit.
People in this forum are like
LOEL THEY'RE GONNA NUKE JAPAN, SOUTH KOREA, CHINA HATES THEM (they don't lol). OMG LOS ANGELES
I say we tell Kim Jong Il to cut the shit, before we stuff him in one of his Taepodong missles and send him to the moon.
Hmm
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