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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225095 is a reply to message #225094] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 12:02   |
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futura83
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| Ralphzehunter wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 20:01 |
| the17doctor wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 14:58 |
why do you want him to stay?
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He's already told you that. He believes that there is not a good reason for ACK to be banned.
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and i beleive there is; but apparently, i don't have an argument 
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225096 is a reply to message #225092] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 12:03 |
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| the17doctor wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 14:58 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 19:56 |
| the17doctor wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 14:55 |
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Statistics don't mean jack shit.
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since this is part of a democratic vote, statistics do mean something.
statistics in this decide whether ACk stays or goes.
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There you go again with the damn semantics. You have nothing to argue, give it up.
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and you, evidently, have nothing to argue either; you voted that you want ACK to stay, but have not said why yet either. you have only wanted to know why people want him to go.
so go on, humour me, why do you want him to stay?
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Easy enough.
RenForums has no set rules. How can someone break rules and be deserving of a ban when there are no rules to break? If I speed and get pulled over, I am probably going to get a ticket. Why? Because I broke the law. However, if I drive on a freeway in Montana, where there is no speed limit, and I go the same speed I was on a Michigan freeway, I won't be pulled over. You understand? If there's no law/rule to break, then how can you break it?
Whether or not his actions are appropriate doesn't apply here. Telling someone to "fuck off" is inappropriate, too, but you aren't fined/arrested for that.
Also, what Aircraftkiller does/has done is no different than what most of the members here (including myself) do. If he deserves to go, so does the majority of the community.
whoa.
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225098 is a reply to message #225096] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 12:07 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 20:03 |
| the17doctor wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 14:58 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 19:56 |
| the17doctor wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 14:55 |
| j_ball430 |
Statistics don't mean jack shit.
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since this is part of a democratic vote, statistics do mean something.
statistics in this decide whether ACk stays or goes.
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There you go again with the damn semantics. You have nothing to argue, give it up.
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and you, evidently, have nothing to argue either; you voted that you want ACK to stay, but have not said why yet either. you have only wanted to know why people want him to go.
so go on, humour me, why do you want him to stay?
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Easy enough.
RenForums has no set rules. How can someone break rules and be deserving of a ban when there are no rules to break? If I speed and get pulled over, I am probably going to get a ticket. Why? Because I broke the law. However, if I drive on a freeway in Montana, where there is no speed limit, and I go the same speed I was on a Michigan freeway, I won't be pulled over. You understand? If there's no law/rule to break, then how can you break it?
Whether or not his actions are appropriate doesn't apply here. Telling someone to "fuck off" is inappropriate, too, but you aren't fined/arrested for that.
Also, what Aircraftkiller does/has done is no different than what most of the members here (including myself) do. If he deserves to go, so does the majority of the community.
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ever heard of ettiquette? (sp  )
not so much laws/rules, but, if the majority of the voters think he is being a complete prick and want him to leave, then the vote will be passed and he will be perm banned.
now, correct me if i am wrong, but, in the law system, if someone is taken to court, the verdict is made by a jury of the defendants peers. now, whether he/she is guilty or not, if they say he/she is guilty, then he will get punished for it.
there is a similar thing here.
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225100 is a reply to message #224561] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 12:08 |
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knew someone would bring this up. When all other justification for Crimson's actions fail miserably, it becomes "it's her forum, she can run it as pathetically as she wants"
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Pay attention, I brought this up the first time the relevance to the rule being made was questioned. It was my first argument, and you failed to dispute it then. Acting like it was just done after someone has failed doesn't work.
Regardless, it doesn't justify anything. It just makes it reality.
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Again, I don't know what the hell you're talking about... you ask the most idiotic questions.
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It's quite simple actually.
You claim you have been banned, yet you obviously are not banned because you can still post.
I apologies if that's hard to understand, but I can't make it any more basic than that.
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225102 is a reply to message #225098] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 12:11 |
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| the17doctor |
ever heard of ettiquette? (sp )
not so much laws/rules, but, if the majority of the voters think he is being a complete prick and want him to leave, then the vote will be passed and he will be perm banned.
now, correct me if i am wrong, but, in the law system, if someone is taken to court, the verdict is made by a jury of the defendants peers. now, whether he/she is guilty or not, if they say he/she is guilty, then he will get punished for it.
there is a similar thing here.
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Sure, maybe he (and others) should exercise etiquette, but that still doesn't mean it should become a rule.
Sure, someone's taken to court, but it's usually over a question of whether or not someone is guilty of BREAKING A LAW (rule). How can you be taken to court when you don't break a law?
whoa.
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225111 is a reply to message #225107] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 12:19 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 20:15 |
I'm obviously talking about conduct on the forums. There are no rules stating conduct besides swearing.
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no! i was actually proving that there were laws and that we could be trying him for one of those, wheteher he broke on or not. 
remember, this is a democracy, it is 'the people' who decide whether they want him here or not, whether he has done anything 'wrong'
also, another thing, wron and right are point of views; if people on this forum believe he is in the wrong and want rid of him, then they will.
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Also, there you go again with semantics.
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too sophisticated for you? or is it just something you can state so you dont actually have to argue against it?
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225116 is a reply to message #225111] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 12:24 |
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| the17doctor |
no! i was actually proving that there were laws and that we could be trying him for one of those, wheteher he broke on or not.
remember, this is a democracy, it is 'the people' who decide whether they want him here or not, whether he has done anything 'wrong'
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This forum is not a democracy, you idiot. This thread is holding a democratic vote, yes. However, like I said, he's being tried on something that's not even against the law. I might as well be tried in front of a court for smoking a cigar out in my yard. It's seen as "bad" by a lot of people, but it's not against any law.
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also, another thing, wron and right are point of views; if people on this forum believe he is in the wrong and want rid of him, then they will.
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Actually, Crimson has the ultimate authority on this. She can choose not to ban him after tomorrow. The people can't do shit. (See, semantics. I'm not actually proving anything, I'm just splitting hairs.)
I never said that wrong and right aren't subjective, but when we're talking about ridding someone, usually there should be a good reason for it other than "I don't like him".
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too sophisticated for you? or is it just something you can state so you dont actually have to argue against it?
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I use semantics all of the time. It's nothing but splitting hairs. It's no better than rhetoric at proving a point.
whoa.
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225121 is a reply to message #225116] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 12:29 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 20:24 |
| the17doctor |
no! i was actually proving that there were laws and that we could be trying him for one of those, wheteher he broke on or not.
remember, this is a democracy, it is 'the people' who decide whether they want him here or not, whether he has done anything 'wrong'
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This forum is not a democracy, you idiot. This thread is holding a democratic vote, yes. However, like I said, he's being tried on something that's not even against the law. I might as well be tried in front of a court for smoking a cigar out in my yard. It's seen as "bad" by a lot of people, but it's not against any law.
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also, another thing, wron and right are point of views; if people on this forum believe he is in the wrong and want rid of him, then they will.
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Actually, Crimson has the ultimate authority on this. She can choose not to ban him after tomorrow. The people can't do shit. (See, semantics. I'm not actually proving anything, I'm just splitting hairs.)
I never said that wrong and right aren't subjective, but when we're talking about ridding someone, usually there should be a good reason for it other than "I don't like him".
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too sophisticated for you? or is it just something you can state so you dont actually have to argue against it?
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I use semantics all of the time. It's nothing but splitting hairs. It's no better than rhetoric at proving a point.
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you're right 
in the end, it comes down to whether crimson wants to ban him or not; cos if she did want to ban him quickly, then she would've ban him already
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225126 is a reply to message #224561] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 12:40 |
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recap: you say he should be banned because of how he acts on the forum. Seeing as how there are no rules for acting on here, there is no clear cut way of deciding who gets banned and who doesn't. Unless if someone breaks those guidelines/rules you listed, there is technically no reason to ban them. Of course this board *ISN'T* a democracy. Otherwise people wouldn't be banned for posting illegal information (ie torrents and what-not) and there wouldn't be bans on disrespecting/challenging the admins, or posting information about cheats. If this is a democratic vote, I do believe it's 2/3rds that have to agree, but I do have a feeling it's going to be above 50%, Democracies probably do the 2/3rds so that a good proportion doesn't feel dissatisfied with the outcome. I could be wrong, like I said it probably doesn't matter anyways.
This is why it's pretty much impossible to say someone *DESERVES* to be banned, when the person in question never broke a rule.
There are a LOT of people who like to sling shit, and I have a feeling that if they were on trial, you'd be on the other end of the stick right now. Even Crimson called all the people assholes who decided to join in and bash ack for something in his own personal life. Back then they say he deserved it, well then alright, apparently after that entire whole deal, it STILL isn't square. "you said so and so's work sucks! So I'm going to laugh and sling shit at you for being born differently when it's not like you had a choice in the matter. It'd be like laughing at some guy in a wheel chair for having some disease that took his legs. HAHA - YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LEGS, IDIOT! WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE BORN THAT WAY? But, maybe you're right. Maybe comparing someone saying, "your work sucks" to making fun of a person who has no legs is comparable in the ranks of "asshole" Oh wait, actually it would mean LESS than that, because they aren't being voted to be banned while he is. Not that I care to see them banned, but if you're going to say someone deserves to be banned for being an asshole, there are plenty of other people we can pick and choose.
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225143 is a reply to message #224561] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 13:11 |
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225144 is a reply to message #225143] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 13:13 |
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| Crimson wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 16:11 |
Here are some rules for you. They are in the user agreement.
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Fair enough.
whoa.
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| Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote) [message #225159 is a reply to message #225158] |
Fri, 06 October 2006 13:30 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 06 October 2006 16:28 |
those rules are pretty much ignored by you so why'd you bother posting them
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cause it's like federal laws, most are ignored, but when you do something against the law that you are ignoring... you're fucked D:
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