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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223104 is a reply to message #222880]

Thu, 28 September 2006 09:10

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Alex wrote on Thu, 28 September 2006 00:52

We actualy baught a server off Nightma12, And what I said is true.

When I need support for the server, Nightma give's it to you instantly.

I never have lag on the server, Mabey it's becuase I live were the server is located but meh.

And creepiner the owner of our community hasn't complained about lag.

And we did get what we paid for, A lag free server with any Regulation bot, And any choice of server applications (WOLspy and so on)

I think Nightma's Hosting is Amazing, Best around if you ask me.

i like the server, but i seem to have lag "spikes" it seems to be fine then it laggs badly for about a minit. is this somthing i have done?

oh yeah and nightma12, even though i haven't done it. i know how to access and change the player limit. i needed to open svrcfg.ini and realized i wasn't supposed to lol.

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223118 is a reply to message #222790]

Thu, 28 September 2006 10:07

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yes, lol i have a bot that scans your directorys and makes sure you havnt changed the playercount Razz

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223144 is a reply to message #223118]

Thu, 28 September 2006 11:54

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Nightma's servers are by far the best I have ever seen. There is little to no lag on them too. Plus nightma just let me host a server on one of his boxes and so far there has been no lag at all. He also helped me set it up right away. Like everyone said he gives the best tech support man can offer and his servers dont lag either.

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223145 is a reply to message #222790]

Thu, 28 September 2006 11:59

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Hi, I'm a walking billboard, too! Sarcasm

Sarcasm

whoa.

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223146 is a reply to message #222790]

Thu, 28 September 2006 11:59

fl00d3d
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Viva la Resistance!

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I'll say one thing about the security on Nightma's server(s). Bad.

Can you explain? If not in public, to me privately as I am now working with Nightma12 and I have a huge background in security.

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Morphix and Slick's boxes are at Ev1 and therefore suck. (Neron Hosting)

EV1 is one of the best places to host in the world. What are you basing your information off of?

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223150 is a reply to message #223146]

Thu, 28 September 2006 12:15

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AFAIK Morphix either went out of busisness or just gave up on hosting. www.neronhosting.com has NOTHING to do with www.neronhost.com

CarrierII wrote

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Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223208 is a reply to message #223146]

Thu, 28 September 2006 14:16

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fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 28 September 2006 14:59

EV1 is one of the best places to host in the world. What are you basing your information off of?

Are you kidding me? EV1 peers with a bunch of "budget" providers and has completely retarded policies when it comes to IRC.

cause = time

[Updated on: Thu, 28 September 2006 14:16]

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223350 is a reply to message #222790]

Thu, 28 September 2006 19:55

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Not to mention Morphix owns ONE windows box that all games run from, so lets think before you rent from Neron Hosting.

Lets see, EV1 uses Cogent, AboveNet, Savvis and Verio. Two of the above stated are shit. I know you have no idea what I just said, so let me give you some advice.

If you were smart, you'd get a broker to help get a box (Myself, xptek, or somebody with knowlege concerning servers).

You should not rent, you should get your own box for performance's sake.

PM me if you have any further questions.

Hmm

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223422 is a reply to message #222790]

Fri, 29 September 2006 05:15

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Goztoe

Why does Matix brag about his RAM memory when everyone knows that the renegadefds and for exemple brenbot mostly EATS cpu-power. One FDS and regulator per cpu is my motto!

You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223476 is a reply to message #223350]

Fri, 29 September 2006 08:37

fl00d3d
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Viva la Resistance!

Yoshimitsu wrote on Thu, 28 September 2006 22:55

Not to mention Morphix owns ONE windows box that all games run from, so lets think before you rent from Neron Hosting.

Lets see, EV1 uses Cogent, AboveNet, Savvis and Verio. Two of the above stated are shit. I know you have no idea what I just said, so let me give you some advice.

If you were smart, you'd get a broker to help get a box (Myself, xptek, or somebody with knowlege concerning servers).

You should not rent, you should get your own box for performance's sake.

PM me if you have any further questions.

I hope you're not suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about, lol. Cogent is prime bandwidth. And unlike other high-tier providers EV1 has a fully redundant network.

I owned (COO) a webhosting company that was based out of a datacenter in Seattle, WA. I'm quite familiar with upstream providers and what is reliable and what is not. Further, I have numerous certifications and years of hands on experience with live networks at that level; including global communication systems. So don't assume that I don't know what I'm talking about when in fact I do.

As for what xptek said:
(1) Nightma12 told me that you exploited a php vulnerability years ago - which is not only easy for any decent php programmer but a quick and permanent security fix.
(2) For someone that seems to know a lot about security (you were quoted saying his security is bad) you should understand that the IRC protocol is one of the least secure protocols ever designed which is the main consideration for EV1's position.

Let's not bump the topic too much, I want to hear Matix/teh-pwnerer try to defend himself. *grabs popcorn*

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223549 is a reply to message #223476]

Fri, 29 September 2006 13:36

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fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 11:37

I hope you're not suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about, lol.

lol

fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 11:37

Cogent is prime bandwidth.

No its not, its cheap bandwidth that doesn't route properly. The fact that it doesnt peer with Verizon(formerly MCI Sprint) is also a strike against it. Having to go through Level3 to get to a Cogent-hosted box really sucks. Not to mention it sucks off the tit of Verio.

fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 11:37

And unlike other high-tier providers EV1 has a fully redundant network.

EV1 isnt a "High-tier provider" its a datacenter that uses High-tier carriers (Tier-1). Name another MAJOR datcenter that isnt fully redundant.

fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 11:37

I owned (COO) a webhosting company that was based out of a datacenter in Seattle, WA.

Oh wow! I've been the CEO, COO, Tech Support, and Billing a 1000 times with my own hosting company.

fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 11:37

I'm quite familiar with upstream providers and what is reliable and what is not.

What the hell is an "upstream provider"? Is that anything like a Tier-1 provider?

lol.

Hmm

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223554 is a reply to message #223476]

Fri, 29 September 2006 13:45

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I hope you're not suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about, lol. Cogent is prime bandwidth. And unlike other high-tier providers EV1 has a fully redundant network.

Uh, are there any datacenters that DON'T have a "fully redundant" network?

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I owned (COO) a webhosting company that was based out of a datacenter in Seattle, WA. I'm quite familiar with upstream providers and what is reliable and what is not. Further, I have numerous certifications and years of hands on experience with live networks at that level; including global communication systems. So don't assume that I don't know what I'm talking about when in fact I do.

LOL I HAVE MY CCNA CCNP NET+ A+, etc. Does it matter? No. Anyone can obtain those, and bandwidth providers really don't really have anything to do with that. It's a long shot, but did you happen to run your hosting company out of Swiftco in the Westin Tower? I'll be there next month. Rocked Over

Rocked Over

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(1) Nightma12 told me that you exploited a php vulnerability years ago - which is not only easy for any decent php programmer but a quick and permanent security fix.

Uh, it wasn't a PHP exploit. He allowed anyone to read any file on his box regardless of their user status, and still does.

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(2) For someone that seems to know a lot about security (you were quoted saying his security is bad) you should understand that the IRC protocol is one of the least secure protocols ever designed which is the main consideration for EV1's position.

Hahaha. IRC is a plaintext chat protocol and does its job fine. What security improvements would you recommend?

And for the record, EV1 allows IRC (they even run their own support IRCd), but linking other IRCds is against their policy. This has nothing to do with the IRC protocol's security. Their network simply can't handle the DDoS attacks that sometimes happen.

Basically, EV1 is cheap generic Infomart-esque shit. Great for budget hosting or personal use, but you'd have to be insane to buy from a hosting company there.

cause = time

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223592 is a reply to message #222790]

Fri, 29 September 2006 15:55

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Uh, it wasn't a PHP exploit. He allowed anyone to read any file on his box regardless of their user status, and still does.

no i dont...

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223640 is a reply to message #222790]

Fri, 29 September 2006 21:07

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Oh snap

Hmm

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223642 is a reply to message #222790]

Fri, 29 September 2006 21:23

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This topic needs to be renamed to...A bunch of computer nerds argueing about gaming servers...I understood half that server crap.

nightma12 servers suck...

/me is making trouble.

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223656 is a reply to message #223592]

Fri, 29 September 2006 23:50

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Nightma12 wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 18:55

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Uh, it wasn't a PHP exploit. He allowed anyone to read any file on his box regardless of their user status, and still does.

no i dont...

Well, unless you learned how to actually secure your box, PHP can still read any file on the drive just fine. Big Ups

Big Ups

Allowing exec probably isn't very smart either.

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223658 is a reply to message #222790]

Sat, 30 September 2006 00:52

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yes, lol and neither of them is allowed anymore Razz

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(im quite sure, but ill get fl00d3d to check this out anyway....)

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223698 is a reply to message #222790]

Sat, 30 September 2006 11:18

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Big Grin

Good!

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223708 is a reply to message #222790]

Sat, 30 September 2006 12:04

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Viva la Resistance!

I was suggesting that you don't go out of your way to tell someone that they don't know what they're talking about when they could be just as qualified to give an opinion. And yes we were in Westin. I believe he still is? I'm not affiliated with the business anymore.

Anything down in Dallas, TX is going to have a decent network as it is one of the best places to host a server on the planet. They have the most carriers, the highest quality carriers, bigger pipes running to-and-from, and service some of the largest sites on the planet at their location for a reason. Now I understand that EV1 is just one of a many -- but there are plenty of other datacenters in the world that don't have as nice of a hookup as they do down in Dallas.

As for saying that IRC isn't insecure: lol

Finally, I cannot vouch for what Nightma12 had in the past, but he's also working alone on a platform I'm sure he's not qualified to secure. So give him a break. That was then, and this is now. I'm just sick of hearing everyone on these forums claim to be some kind of uber l33t h4xx0r that knows how to do this and that. I'm not saying you don't ... but as a true geek (and if you are, you'll know what I'm talking about) these frustrations built up and when a topic like this comes along and it becomes a 'nerd fight' I just explode. 90% of the people on these Renegade Forums that talk shit are just under-aged kids that don't have any real-world experience.

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223709 is a reply to message #223708]

Sat, 30 September 2006 12:13

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fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 15:04

As for saying that IRC isn't insecure: lol

Instead of dodging the question, why don't you point out what could be improved in the protocol to make it more "secure"?

Seriously.

fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 15:04

Anything down in Dallas, TX is going to have a decent network as it is one of the best places to host a server on the planet. They have the most carriers, the highest quality carriers, bigger pipes running to-and-from, and service some of the largest sites on the planet at their location for a reason.

Do you mean Chicago? Dallas has a few decent carriers (Cogent is not one of them), but it's nothing spectacular at all.

cause = time

[Updated on: Sat, 30 September 2006 12:18]

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223710 is a reply to message #222790]

Sat, 30 September 2006 12:17

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Chicago is the new Dallas.

Hmm

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223721 is a reply to message #222790]

Sat, 30 September 2006 12:36

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Viva la Resistance!

To be completely honest I've been out of the "carrier" dealings for a little over a year now. So I don't know what has changed since then. But I do remember shopping around for better upstream and EV1 was on the top of our company's list.

IRC is too easy to sniff out, easy to abuse, easy to hijack, spam, etc. It is the reason why so many worms are successful and is the playground for hackers.

I definitely would not consider myself a "designer of protocols" though I do know a bit about a lot of stacks, but if I were to take a stab at a new IRC (which I think they're doing for IPv6?) I would definitely put more control information in the header of each packet so you can prevent the endless number of problems that IRC has in its history. You can't possibly think that IRC is secure, I hope....

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223722 is a reply to message #223721]

Sat, 30 September 2006 12:43

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fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 15:36

To be completely honest I've been out of the "carrier" dealings for a little over a year now. So I don't know what has changed since then. But I do remember shopping around for better upstream and EV1 was on the top of our company's list.

IRC is too easy to sniff out, easy to abuse, easy to hijack, spam, etc. It is the reason why so many worms are successful and is the playground for hackers.

I definitely would not consider myself a "designer of protocols" though I do know a bit about a lot of stacks, but if I were to take a stab at a new IRC (which I think they're doing for IPv6?) I would definitely put more control information in the header of each packet so you can prevent the endless number of problems that IRC has in its history. You can't possibly think that IRC is secure, I hope....

LOL

Yeah because you can magically sniff client info out when you're not the server. lmao.

For the 3rd time, EV1 isn't a god damn carrier.

Hmm

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223725 is a reply to message #223721]

Sat, 30 September 2006 12:52

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fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 15:36

IRC is too easy to sniff out, easy to abuse, easy to hijack, spam, etc. It is the reason why so many worms are successful and is the playground for hackers.

Seriously. What are you talking about?

Here's how IRC works:

Server listens on a port.
Client connects to server.
Client joins a channel.
Client PRIVMSGs channel.
Other clients in the channel receive the message.

There's nothing that makes it more susceptible to being "sniffed out" than any other plaintext chat protocol. Most IRCds these days support SSL anyway.

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I definitely would not consider myself a "designer of protocols" though I do know a bit about a lot of stacks, but if I were to take a stab at a new IRC

Okay. This is where things go batshit insane.

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(which I think they're doing for IPv6?)

What does IPv6 have to do with the IRC protocol? At all?

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I would definitely put more control information in the header of each packet so you can prevent the endless number of problems that IRC has in its history. You can't possibly think that IRC is secure, I hope....

Are you talking about TCP/IP or something? It seems like you're a bit confused.

Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model some time or something, because IRC has nothing to do with "headers" or whatever the hell you're talking about.

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Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!! [message #223726 is a reply to message #222790]

Sat, 30 September 2006 13:01

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You really can't argue with him and I about these sorts of things, fl00d3d.

Hmm

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