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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218334 is a reply to message #218048] |
Sat, 09 September 2006 17:58 |
fl00d3d
Messages: 1107 Registered: August 2003 Location: Iowa, USA
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General (1 Star) Viva la Resistance! |
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There are pros and cons to every operating system. Being a network security analyst I know many of the geek details to many operating systems and I can honestly say that Windows is one hell of a resource waster.
HOWEVER, *nix hasn't seemed to have developed yet. At least in the last fear years you have WINE and other emmulations and a greater drive for people to develop compatibility with games and such. Unix is a nice system if you're doing anything that doesn't require a great deal of compatibility or requires a great deal of security. Windows is pretty much the opposite.
I hear people bash Windows all the time, but they don't consider things like the brilliance of developing a user friendly GUI for an operating system; or how far Microsoft has gone to develop cross-platform technologies. Though I'm not a huge M$ fan in general, I am not sold on *nix quite yet either. It still needs more development. You may not like M$ in general - or perhaps it is just a hate for their Windows OS product line, but before you go bashing Windows consider that many people use it for the simple fact that there isn't much that can challenge it right now.
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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218365 is a reply to message #218048] |
Sat, 09 September 2006 20:31 |
icedog90
Messages: 3483 Registered: April 2003
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I don't bash Windows mindlessly, nor do I bash the living hell out of it. It may seem like I'm one of those band riders that love Linux and hate Microsoft, but I'm not trying to be like everyone else. It's not because someone told me so, it's because I use both and I've figured out myself.
Yes, Linux is still in development, but it's impressive where it's at right now and how it is still getting better. The distro I use noticeably gets better monthly. Plus, it's free.
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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218482 is a reply to message #218308] |
Sun, 10 September 2006 09:51 |
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Jonty
Messages: 538 Registered: June 2006 Location: Chesterfield, England
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Colonel Viva la Resistance! |
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icedog90 wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 22:00 | just so you know, you can't count on getting Renegade to work in Cedega if you have Xgl/compiz. Because right now direct rendering is not supported in Xgl. But if the nVIDIA drivers for Xorg 7.1 EVER COME OUT, then that will change. I can't even believe ATi released Linux drivers for Xorg 7.1 before nVIDIA.
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Aha, I got around that problem by creating an Xgl server at tty7 with compiz etc. and a normal Xorg server at tty8, both at the same time. That way, I can use tty8 for stuff that needs Direct Rendering, and tty7 for everything else. It doesnt create a noticeable performance decrease, either.
My problem still remains, though. (the one where the installer crashes as it starts to copy the files) How did you people go about installing it? If I can get Renegade to work here, who knows, I might be able to get rid of Windows altogether!
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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218717 is a reply to message #218048] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 08:32 |
ADM
Messages: 133 Registered: March 2003
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I got a chance to participate in the London Imperial College annual software developer showcase. They had several mainstream developers there show, some of which were discussing how the new upcoming Linux updates were shaping up. You'll be surprised how many problems and issues they ran in to. Linux is very powerful and bus friendly when controling data but it lacks the robustness that Windows has.
Windows 2003 is a very stable operating system, that and the fact it is actually a better environment to design and develop software in than Linux. I use both platforms extensively, both have their uses and in my opinion there is no better operating system; they are both tools, and all tools are useful in given situation.
Also regarding the overclocking the processor to ensure stability. You'd gain 5% real-world difference in performance in Windows, Windows uses very little processing cycle time as it is, instead Windows consumes your memory. I was even talking to someone from the animation team this morning and they laughed when I mentioned your claim at overclocking to remain stable.
At work, I have 4 Windows platforms for developing different software, one is dual core and overclocked. At home I have a phase-cooled AMD Athlon 64 X2 FX62 running 24/7 at 3.4 GHz. I notice no difference in multi-tasking or running any real-world applications; even then I only notice a difference in FPS.
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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218797 is a reply to message #218717] |
Mon, 11 September 2006 13:38 |
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jnz
Messages: 3396 Registered: July 2006 Location: 30th century
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ADM wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 16:32 | I got a chance to participate in the London Imperial College annual software developer showcase. They had several mainstream developers there show, some of which were discussing how the new upcoming Linux updates were shaping up. You'll be surprised how many problems and issues they ran in to. Linux is very powerful and bus friendly when controling data but it lacks the robustness that Windows has.
Windows 2003 is a very stable operating system, that and the fact it is actually a better environment to design and develop software in than Linux. I use both platforms extensively, both have their uses and in my opinion there is no better operating system; they are both tools, and all tools are useful in given situation.
Also regarding the overclocking the processor to ensure stability. You'd gain 5% real-world difference in performance in Windows, Windows uses very little processing cycle time as it is, instead Windows consumes your memory. I was even talking to someone from the animation team this morning and they laughed when I mentioned your claim at overclocking to remain stable.
At work, I have 4 Windows platforms for developing different software, one is dual core and overclocked. At home I have a phase-cooled AMD Athlon 64 X2 FX62 running 24/7 at 3.4 GHz. I notice no difference in multi-tasking or running any real-world applications; even then I only notice a difference in FPS.
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you (or anyone) can laugh all you want because it made it fast enough to backup all my stuff. i tryed before overclocking and it wouldn't do it. it just kept locking up.
with linux, if a program locks up i can go into runlevel 3 and stop its process. if it crashes in windows there is not much you can do exept wait for task maniger to come up.
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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #233910 is a reply to message #218048] |
Tue, 12 December 2006 15:41 |
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jnz
Messages: 3396 Registered: July 2006 Location: 30th century
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your right...in all my life windows has never crashed without a unown cause. but i have had it with the amount of crap i get from it.
take this for example:
i was installing VMWare while i was playing world of warcraft, WoW doesn't take much to run...it uses the same priciple as renegade in redering terain etc... (although i dont know much about it, the charater and the terain the look suprisinly similar)
as soon as the installer took too much of the CPU it completely locked up, i couldn't even turn it off (using acpi). i has to cut the power.
it gets very slow when trying to do 2 tasks like open IE while starting endorphin for example, IE will be up straight away normally.
now, here is where linux completly overules windows:
1) if there is a lockup like then WoW crashed KDE will come in and save you. if KDE crashes, press F2 or ctrl+F2 (i can't rember exacly) and your in the completly in the kernel. you can do "ps aux | grep "programname" then do "kill process id" to kill it. then restart "x".
2) the windows task maniger is too primitive, if the computer locks up you can't kill anything because there is a chance taskmaniger will crash(that has happend many times).
3) linux doesn't have a "Windows error" that tell nothing about what has happend, and if you "Send" you get no support anyway. linux wil tall you about what has actully happend with a program and will kill it FOR you.
4) most newer disros are VERY userfreindly and come ready for a simple user to use.
5) linux is very powerfull, stable, reliable and best of all FREE!
6) linux is very custimiseable, you see something in a program you don't like or you want the kernel to load something that you have written, no problem! the sources are avaliable for download and it is EASY to complile and replace the old kernel.
7) more secure, the disro that i use comes with a exelent firewall, i never have problems with "hackers".
viruses, becuase most veruses these days are active-x on website people just install them not knowing what they are doing, although viruses are a threat because of the way the linux kernel works it would take a hacker or a incredible stupid user to install one.
linux disadvantages:
1) not many programs (like games and newwer, cpu intensive stuff) arer not made for linux.
2) programs need dependancys and some can be very hard to find.
3) some programs are hard to install, most need to be done from the command line but commands just need to be learnt.
windows advantages:
1) alot of programs are made for it.
2) programs are easy to install
windows disadvantages:
1) VIRUSES, HACKERS...very easy to get into a windows machine.
2) not as user freindly as you think, how do i stop people from going into a folder IE they need a password?
3) windows costs 80 bucks.
4) windows is all about presentaion using valuable RAM for "fancy" pictures and animations (this also uses CPU to load them)
5) windows assumes the user is extremly stupid and pops up with messages saying "you need to restart your computer" why? why do i need to restart my computer...then it does it anyway and you lose an hours worth of work. (this has happend many times for me)
6) windows multitaking is diabolical.
7) you cant change how the "innards" of it work
everything you do on windows is ilegal
9) nothing (with the exeption of 1 in 10000 programs are open source)
10) the list goes on and on and on and on.
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