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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218324 is a reply to message #218048] Sat, 09 September 2006 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218334 is a reply to message #218048] Sat, 09 September 2006 17:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There are pros and cons to every operating system. Being a network security analyst I know many of the geek details to many operating systems and I can honestly say that Windows is one hell of a resource waster.

HOWEVER, *nix hasn't seemed to have developed yet. At least in the last fear years you have WINE and other emmulations and a greater drive for people to develop compatibility with games and such. Unix is a nice system if you're doing anything that doesn't require a great deal of compatibility or requires a great deal of security. Windows is pretty much the opposite.

I hear people bash Windows all the time, but they don't consider things like the brilliance of developing a user friendly GUI for an operating system; or how far Microsoft has gone to develop cross-platform technologies. Though I'm not a huge M$ fan in general, I am not sold on *nix quite yet either. It still needs more development. You may not like M$ in general - or perhaps it is just a hate for their Windows OS product line, but before you go bashing Windows consider that many people use it for the simple fact that there isn't much that can challenge it right now.
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218337 is a reply to message #218048] Sat, 09 September 2006 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree with fl00d3d, oh, and Wine Is Not an Emulator

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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218342 is a reply to message #218048] Sat, 09 September 2006 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wasn't saying it was, but I was suggesting that it is similar to products like VMware which is. WINE is simliar in the sense that it allows you to "emulate" an operating system on top of an operating system -- you know what I mean Wink
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218365 is a reply to message #218048] Sat, 09 September 2006 20:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't bash Windows mindlessly, nor do I bash the living hell out of it. It may seem like I'm one of those band riders that love Linux and hate Microsoft, but I'm not trying to be like everyone else. It's not because someone told me so, it's because I use both and I've figured out myself.

Yes, Linux is still in development, but it's impressive where it's at right now and how it is still getting better. The distro I use noticeably gets better monthly. Plus, it's free.

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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218482 is a reply to message #218308] Sun, 10 September 2006 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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icedog90 wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 22:00

just so you know, you can't count on getting Renegade to work in Cedega if you have Xgl/compiz. Because right now direct rendering is not supported in Xgl. But if the nVIDIA drivers for Xorg 7.1 EVER COME OUT, then that will change. I can't even believe ATi released Linux drivers for Xorg 7.1 before nVIDIA.

Aha, I got around that problem by creating an Xgl server at tty7 with compiz etc. and a normal Xorg server at tty8, both at the same time. That way, I can use tty8 for stuff that needs Direct Rendering, and tty7 for everything else. It doesnt create a noticeable performance decrease, either.

My problem still remains, though. (the one where the installer crashes as it starts to copy the files) How did you people go about installing it? If I can get Renegade to work here, who knows, I might be able to get rid of Windows altogether! Rocked Over
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218489 is a reply to message #218048] Sun, 10 September 2006 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, I wanted to do that but I couldn't figure it out for some reason. I'm definitely not a guru...
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218501 is a reply to message #218489] Sun, 10 September 2006 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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icedog90 wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 18:17

I'm definitely not a guru...

Well, neither am I (Satisfied) but if you have Ubuntu (well, I guess this will work on other distros) then I used this guide.

Still got to make it install, though. Dont Get It
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218548 is a reply to message #218048] Sun, 10 September 2006 14:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, thanks.
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218614 is a reply to message #218048] Sun, 10 September 2006 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How much FPS did you get playing renegade on linux? Sarcasm

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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218674 is a reply to message #218048] Mon, 11 September 2006 05:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218717 is a reply to message #218048] Mon, 11 September 2006 08:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I got a chance to participate in the London Imperial College annual software developer showcase. They had several mainstream developers there show, some of which were discussing how the new upcoming Linux updates were shaping up. You'll be surprised how many problems and issues they ran in to. Linux is very powerful and bus friendly when controling data but it lacks the robustness that Windows has.

Windows 2003 is a very stable operating system, that and the fact it is actually a better environment to design and develop software in than Linux. I use both platforms extensively, both have their uses and in my opinion there is no better operating system; they are both tools, and all tools are useful in given situation.

Also regarding the overclocking the processor to ensure stability. You'd gain 5% real-world difference in performance in Windows, Windows uses very little processing cycle time as it is, instead Windows consumes your memory. I was even talking to someone from the animation team this morning and they laughed when I mentioned your claim at overclocking to remain stable.

At work, I have 4 Windows platforms for developing different software, one is dual core and overclocked. At home I have a phase-cooled AMD Athlon 64 X2 FX62 running 24/7 at 3.4 GHz. I notice no difference in multi-tasking or running any real-world applications; even then I only notice a difference in FPS.
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218796 is a reply to message #218048] Mon, 11 September 2006 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm sorry, but according to my experiences with using Windows XP and Linux, I've had better results in Linux with just about everything.

The only thing that's really lame in my opinion is that video editing on Linux just doesn't really exist.

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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218797 is a reply to message #218717] Mon, 11 September 2006 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ADM wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 16:32

I got a chance to participate in the London Imperial College annual software developer showcase. They had several mainstream developers there show, some of which were discussing how the new upcoming Linux updates were shaping up. You'll be surprised how many problems and issues they ran in to. Linux is very powerful and bus friendly when controling data but it lacks the robustness that Windows has.

Windows 2003 is a very stable operating system, that and the fact it is actually a better environment to design and develop software in than Linux. I use both platforms extensively, both have their uses and in my opinion there is no better operating system; they are both tools, and all tools are useful in given situation.

Also regarding the overclocking the processor to ensure stability. You'd gain 5% real-world difference in performance in Windows, Windows uses very little processing cycle time as it is, instead Windows consumes your memory. I was even talking to someone from the animation team this morning and they laughed when I mentioned your claim at overclocking to remain stable.

At work, I have 4 Windows platforms for developing different software, one is dual core and overclocked. At home I have a phase-cooled AMD Athlon 64 X2 FX62 running 24/7 at 3.4 GHz. I notice no difference in multi-tasking or running any real-world applications; even then I only notice a difference in FPS.



you (or anyone) can laugh all you want because it made it fast enough to backup all my stuff. i tryed before overclocking and it wouldn't do it. it just kept locking up.

with linux, if a program locks up i can go into runlevel 3 and stop its process. if it crashes in windows there is not much you can do exept wait for task maniger to come up.
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218799 is a reply to message #218797] Mon, 11 September 2006 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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help-linux wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 21:38


with linux, if a program locks up i can go into runlevel 3 and stop its process. if it crashes in windows there is not much you can do exept wait for task maniger to come up.

That said, I've had more than one occasion where I couldn't switch to Runlevel 3/another vterm and killall a process, for whatever reason... Dont Get It
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218800 is a reply to message #218048] Mon, 11 September 2006 13:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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should always have a terminal-window available Wink
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218803 is a reply to message #218048] Mon, 11 September 2006 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Linux requires you to become a console junky... hehe.
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #218853 is a reply to message #218803] Mon, 11 September 2006 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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icedog90 wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 21:55

Linux requires you to become a console junky... hehe.


lol, i prefer the terminal to a gui. it allows you to run the program from telnet Thumbs Up
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #219356 is a reply to message #218853] Thu, 14 September 2006 04:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I might have a solution for the cant install renegade thingy in linux, but I don't know wheter or not you can emulate/import registery files as that will be neacetary Wink

1. Make sure you already have a renegade install.
2. Edit the registery files to contain the serial and the right game path.
3. Import the registery settings.

Then I guess it should work, atleast thats how I installed renegade here on windows Razz


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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #219366 is a reply to message #218048] Thu, 14 September 2006 06:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #219413 is a reply to message #218048] Thu, 14 September 2006 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Those definitely helped, and I can actually get into Renegade now (Very Happy), but I still can't log on to XWIS, I get the "invalid serial" error. Sad
I've tried putting the right registry keys pretty much everywhere, running the Serial Changer under Wine, and probably a lot more, but I can't seem to get it to work...
Huh
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #233862 is a reply to message #218048] Tue, 12 December 2006 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #233863 is a reply to message #218048] Tue, 12 December 2006 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i am posting here to say, that i went back to windows (on this computer).


but after a few days, it has started locking up. so i cant do anything or anything i was doing(that is not saved) is lost.
im going back to linux, and i have also seen that crappysoft are going to do something about pirates.
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #233902 is a reply to message #218048] Tue, 12 December 2006 14:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Depending on how you use Windows, and the version you use will ultimately effect it's security. I've been using windows for 7 years now and not once has it spontaneously crashed with no cause. You must be calling for more resources than windows can handle.

Download and install Vista RC1 on a small test machine and use that for whatever, Maybe the Fraps and Vegas video editing software you called for?
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!! [message #233910 is a reply to message #218048] Tue, 12 December 2006 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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your right...in all my life windows has never crashed without a unown cause. but i have had it with the amount of crap i get from it.

take this for example:

i was installing VMWare while i was playing world of warcraft, WoW doesn't take much to run...it uses the same priciple as renegade in redering terain etc... (although i dont know much about it, the charater and the terain the look suprisinly similar)

as soon as the installer took too much of the CPU it completely locked up, i couldn't even turn it off (using acpi). i has to cut the power.

it gets very slow when trying to do 2 tasks like open IE while starting endorphin for example, IE will be up straight away normally.

now, here is where linux completly overules windows:

1) if there is a lockup like then WoW crashed KDE will come in and save you. if KDE crashes, press F2 or ctrl+F2 (i can't rember exacly) and your in the completly in the kernel. you can do "ps aux | grep "programname" then do "kill process id" to kill it. then restart "x".
2) the windows task maniger is too primitive, if the computer locks up you can't kill anything because there is a chance taskmaniger will crash(that has happend many times).
3) linux doesn't have a "Windows error" that tell nothing about what has happend, and if you "Send" you get no support anyway. linux wil tall you about what has actully happend with a program and will kill it FOR you.
4) most newer disros are VERY userfreindly and come ready for a simple user to use.
5) linux is very powerfull, stable, reliable and best of all FREE!
6) linux is very custimiseable, you see something in a program you don't like or you want the kernel to load something that you have written, no problem! the sources are avaliable for download and it is EASY to complile and replace the old kernel.
7) more secure, the disro that i use comes with a exelent firewall, i never have problems with "hackers".
Cool viruses, becuase most veruses these days are active-x on website people just install them not knowing what they are doing, although viruses are a threat because of the way the linux kernel works it would take a hacker or a incredible stupid user to install one.

linux disadvantages:

1) not many programs (like games and newwer, cpu intensive stuff) arer not made for linux.
2) programs need dependancys and some can be very hard to find.
3) some programs are hard to install, most need to be done from the command line but commands just need to be learnt.

windows advantages:

1) alot of programs are made for it.
2) programs are easy to install

windows disadvantages:

1) VIRUSES, HACKERS...very easy to get into a windows machine.
2) not as user freindly as you think, how do i stop people from going into a folder IE they need a password?
3) windows costs 80 bucks.
4) windows is all about presentaion using valuable RAM for "fancy" pictures and animations (this also uses CPU to load them)
5) windows assumes the user is extremly stupid and pops up with messages saying "you need to restart your computer" why? why do i need to restart my computer...then it does it anyway and you lose an hours worth of work. (this has happend many times for me)
6) windows multitaking is diabolical.
7) you cant change how the "innards" of it work
Cool everything you do on windows is ilegal
9) nothing (with the exeption of 1 in 10000 programs are open source)
10) the list goes on and on and on and on.
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