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Wed, 21 May 2003 21:12  |
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Duke of Nukes
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ok...to get away from the war, although this will most likely turn into a discussion flaming me and saying I hate the president, I thought I'd start a thread about the draft. I have never heard any of the good points...and as is right now, I dont see how you could be for it. to me, it seems blatantly un-American. The draft is being forced to fight for ideals you dont believe in. I know if you can prove your a pacifist...they'll just send you to a hospital or non-combat position...but how can you say we're entitled to our own opinions...but we have to fight for those of the country even if we dont believe in them?
I dont care if you write me a letter
I dont care what you say to me no more
All I got is trash left at my door
What you have dont worry me, worry me now more
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You could have it all
My empire of dirt
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| the draft [message #21718] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 07:51  |
KIRBY098
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I'm not biting on this one.
If you have as much concept of civic duty and loyalty backed up with action as I think you do, you would never understand.
Never in your lifetime.
Not everything in life is politically correct, and negotiable. Action solves problems, not pacifism.
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| the draft [message #21744] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 11:10 |
joroe34
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thank god there isn't a draft!!!!
Picture this.... you volunteer for the army..... 11 bravo.... you are pounding the ground and hit a fox whole and must hold that position. next to you is draftee duke of nuke. no thanks man... i dont want a draft. and this is my reason. need i say more?
imagine kirby and duke of nukes on the same ship??
We have two ears but only one mouth. So that we can listen more and talk less.
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| the draft [message #21752] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 11:28 |
KIRBY098
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there have been people in Congress trying to get it reinstated because they think there's to many black people in the military.
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Where do you get your info? On the back page of the National Enquirer?
Oh, that's right. You just make it up as you go along. And if you have the ability to read between the lines, my answer is in my post. I doubt you can though.
Oh, and Duke and I wouldn't be on the same ship long.
"Man overboard!" :twisted:
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| the draft [message #21754] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 11:51 |
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K9Trooper
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You know Duke,
You sicken me. You a child who claims to have grown up in third world countries bitching about how the US is run in the past, present and the future.
I want to know names of the politicians wanting to reinstate the draft. You can't provide any. Why, you may ask? Because it would be political suicide. You have no idea what you are taliking about. You never lived it. Kirby and I were there.
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Duke of Nukes Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 10:12 pm Post subject: the draft
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ok...to get away from the war, although this will most likely turn into a discussion flaming me and saying I hate the president, I thought I'd start a thread about the draft. I have never heard any of the good points...and as is right now, I dont see how you could be for it. to me, it seems blatantly un-American. The draft is being forced to fight for ideals you dont believe in. I know if you can prove your a pacifist...they'll just send you to a hospital or non-combat position...but how can you say we're entitled to our own opinions...but we have to fight for those of the country even if we dont believe in them?
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Implies that the draft is here or very close to coming back. How else is a person going to read it? You my child need to step away from your computer before you hurt yourself.
For everyone else:
Could this be our friend Duke getting ready to avoid a draft that isn't there?
R.I.P. TreyD. You will be missed, but not forgotten.
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| the draft [message #21760] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 12:00 |
KIRBY098
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Lol, I love that MPEG. Funny stuff.....
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| the draft [message #21767] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 12:16 |
joroe34
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that would be hole.
We have two ears but only one mouth. So that we can listen more and talk less.
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| Re: the draft [message #21785] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 12:39 |
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K9Trooper
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...I thought I'd start a thread about the draft. I have never heard any of the good points...and as is right now, I dont see how you could be for it. to me, it seems blatantly un-American. The draft is being forced to fight for ideals you dont believe in...but we have to fight for those of the country even if we dont believe in them?
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What does this mean you pathetic little 3rd world educated child? The way you wrote it clearly says the draft IS being forced... The draft doesn't exist any more, and we haven't jumped on you about your views of the president. You took your own post off topic with this quote:
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Duke of Nukes Posted: Thu May 22, 2003 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: the draft
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Duke of Nukes wrote:
ok...to get away from the war, although this will most likely turn into a discussion flaming me and saying I hate the president,
Did I call it or did I call it? Grow up you pathetic little children. If you dont have anything to say about the selective service...then dont participate in the discussion. perhaps you should read it again and point it out to me where I said the draft was going to be reinstated? point it out to me where it was even fucking implied. This isn't the current events board...is it? because last I checked...it was politics...and we could talk about politics without it applying to the war
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Don't try to derail your own post, and make it look like we are responsible.
And what does this say?
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Duke of Nukes
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...although there have been people in Congress trying to get it reinstated because they think there's to many black people in the military.
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That is where you said the some people in Congress were trying to reinstate the draft.
R.I.P. TreyD. You will be missed, but not forgotten.
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| the draft [message #21786] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 12:41 |
KIRBY098
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Owned again.
This is too easy.........
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| the draft [message #21801] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 13:28 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
Did I call it or did I call it? Grow up you pathetic little children. If you dont have anything to say about the selective service...then dont participate in the discussion. perhaps you should read it again and point it out to me where I said the draft was going to be reinstated? point it out to me where it was even fucking implied. This isn't the current events board...is it? because last I checked...it was politics...and we could talk about politics without it applying to the war
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Wait, who was the first to throw an insult? Yes, that would be you.
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I knew this conversation would require you to be more mature than you could possibly ever be.
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Who was the second person to throw an insult? Yes, that would be you too.
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Grow up you pathetic little children.
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The only insult, flame, or anything like that that was directed to you was after you have already insulted and flamed k9/kirby.
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If you think you're all high and mighty...then fucking explain why the draft is a good thing.
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Who the fuck here said anything at all about the draft being good? There wasn't even the slightest hint of anyone saying that the draft was good prior to that sorry excuse for a post.
There is no draft, and it will never come back, no one is that stupid. (Well, besides you.)
Just like everything else you've ever posted on this board, you have absolutely nothing to back you up. You just post the same damn stupid crap over and over, and you wonder why everyone dislikes you.
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| the draft [message #21834] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 16:39 |
anort893
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There is no draft, and I do not see one coming in the future.
The reason there is no draft is that draftees actually reduce the effectivness of a modern army. A modern army wants professionals who spend years and years of their lives training, not poorly motivated cannon fodder. As has been proven in every war since WWI, good equipment and training is worth far more than numbers.
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| the draft [message #21861] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 19:51 |
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bigwig992
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Technically there is still a draft. There isn't a point for it though because:
1. We have enough volunteers.
2. Our troops are the best trained in the world (yes, they are, argue if you want, but you can't argue with results).
3. No need for all the extra troops.
Now, the founding father's created the draft, it was, and still (techniclly) is in effect. It is the DUTY of a citizen of the United States to serve in the military in time of war. Not saying it's a good thing for all the people who are against it, but come on. If you don't like the draft, simply move to Canada.
And Duke, your really starting to piss me off. Every time you insult America, it's "interest", it's people, and it's military, it reminds me of September 11th. Now if you think we are "over-doing" things, go call up some terrorist, and ask them to fly a jumbo-jet into your tallest fucking building. Don't we still have the right to be mad? I can predict what your going to say:
"no, your just bossing around the world, bush wants to take over the world and use all of iraq's oil" :rolleyes:
Back to the subject, the draft will probley not happen again, not when you have people like my brother (  ) out there because he choose to join and fight for everyone's freedoms.
-The ONLY Renegade fan to pee off a school.
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| the draft [message #21868] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 21:39 |
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Duke of Nukes
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wow...big wig...you're the smartest guy in the forums. honestly...because...you know...I always talk about how we're just fighting in Iraq for the oil. numbnuts...I have constantly said I know it's not about the oil...you see to be forgeting something...my dad is the manager of an oil rig in Africa...I know more about the oil bussiness than you will probably ever know...and I'll be the first to tell you that if it was about oil...they would have just taken over Iraq when we pushed them out of Kuwait.
If you think asking a question about the draft and stating that being FORCED, legally, to fight for an ideal you dont believe in, whether it happens again or not (probably wont), saying that makes you a terrorist, then I guess I'm guilty. I never once praised Bin Laden...I think we did the right thing taking him out...
Without people that use their freedoms...your brother would be out there killing and dying for nothing. The Consitution has proven time and time again that it is flawed...and our forefathers set it up so that those flaws could be fixed for a reason. I never once insulted America. I love this country...dispite its flaws there are people that would chose to make it a better place to live. People that realize it's not perfect and will do everything they can to make it better. That is what makes this country so great. You're right...without the military...we would be taken over and have lost our freedoms...but without people like me...they'd be out there dying for nothing.
I dont care if you write me a letter
I dont care what you say to me no more
All I got is trash left at my door
What you have dont worry me, worry me now more
- Calvin Baty, Craving Theo
What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end
You could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
- Trent Reznor, NIN
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| the draft [message #21873] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 23:10 |
anort893
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...my dad is the manager of an oil rig in Africa...I know more about the oil bussiness than you will probably ever know...
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stop pretending that you know more than us. The mechanics of operationg a well is very different from the economics that put the well there. That is assuming you really do have a oil rig manager father.
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You're right...without the military...we would be taken over and have lost our freedoms...but without people like me...they'd be out there dying for nothing.
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I think you are stroking your ego a little too much. Please stop with this "holier than thou" crap, it distracts from any sort of real debate.
The one, the only
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| the draft [message #21874] |
Thu, 22 May 2003 23:52 |
spotelmo
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there is actually 1 congressman(i think from newjersey but not sure) who wanted to reinstate the draft. i'm not sure if he ever got around to actually drafting the bill or not. his reason was not "because there are too many blacks in the military" it was because he was against the war in iraq and he figured that if politician's sons were going to be forced to serve, then congress and the president would be less likely to start wars.
now, as for duke's question of "why the draft" no one likes the idea of the draft because it puts inexperienced soldiers on the battlefield and that risks lives. but if we were at war and did not have enough soldiers to fight, then a draft would be necessary.
it would be waaay too embarassing to have to go tell china "dude, i know you want to take over the us, but, duke and his friends don't want to fight... can we postpone this war till the next generation comes of age? i don't think they will be such spineless pieces of shit"
when it comes to defending this country, the draft and anything else that helps us win should be and will be instated.
personally, i have never served in the military, but i am quite proud of my father's 20 years in the airforce and if the draft were necessary again to defend the usa, i would not wait for my number to be called, i would volunteer and serve proudly if they would have me.
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| the draft [message #21880] |
Fri, 23 May 2003 01:08 |
spotelmo
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the draft in a case where we're being taken over is one thing...but it shouldn't be reinstated for anything else. If the country needed soldiers to actually help defend...I would gladly volunteer...but I dont think the draft is a good thing in the instances it has been used in the past.
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instances used in the past?
so, world warII wasn't a good cause?
korean war wasn't a good cause?
vietnam wasn't a good cause?
these were all wars where we tried to stop one country from taking over another. and to stop aggression and killing of innocent people.
in my opinion, these and the wars before them were all good causes.
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| the draft [message #21893] |
Fri, 23 May 2003 05:37 |
KIRBY098
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Circular, Bipolar logic is fun, isn't it Duke?
It a by-product of being a fence riding Democrat.
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