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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212395 is a reply to message #212351] |
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| Sniper_De7 wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 00:46 |
It stops becoming "policy" when you tell other servers that so and so is cheating, when you don't have any proof what-so-ever, or even an ounce of logic to back you up. So what, you think it would be a waste of time to keep innocent players from being banned? Well, that's what you're agreeing to.
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I just told them that you were banned from our server for cheating. They know our policy. They didn't ask me for proove. Don't blame us because other server owners accept our policy. Blame the other serevr owner.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212408 is a reply to message #212395] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 04:12 |
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 01:47 |
| Sniper_De7 wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 00:46 |
It stops becoming "policy" when you tell other servers that so and so is cheating, when you don't have any proof what-so-ever, or even an ounce of logic to back you up. So what, you think it would be a waste of time to keep innocent players from being banned? Well, that's what you're agreeing to.
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I just told them that you were banned from our server for cheating. They know our policy. They didn't ask me for proove. Don't blame us because other server owners accept our policy. Blame the other serevr owner.
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Yeah, but you were wrong to tell them, when I was banned for NOT cheating, but for suspected of cheating. You cannot, at any point, really say someone was cheating if you don't even have a clue as to what he was doing that would be considered "above the norm" in skill. ie - doing more damage / etc. etc.
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edit: you would be right to tell other servers about cheaters if you had some kind of proof or at least something to go on, but you didn't.
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Now if you at least SAW something out of the ordinary and could identify what it was that a cheat would have done, that's entirely a different story. That's why I asked over and over what I did that any person couldn't have done. Of course no answer was given, during the entire length. Maybe it was the fact that I got MVP some of the games, or got most kills, because as we know it's a truely gruesome task to get that in public servers. Really, for the sake of old times, please just tell me what I did that constitutes me be even suspected of cheating? Can you? I'm going to guess not. In fact, I'm going to guess you listened to the GT guy who had no clue what he was talking about and doesn't know how fast another stank would kill another one, which it may have even been 3 shots/4 shots, because it does 90 damage per 2 rockets, and he was repairing it so as soon as I was shooting it, he got back in (so he wasn't at full health obviously). But please, do tell what I did that anyone else couldn't have done just as easily.
Oderint, dum metuant.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212421 is a reply to message #211873] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 06:45 |
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It's been a while, heh, 28th of January. I think they just read on our forums (in the topic you posted) that you were banned suspected for cheating. that means that they knew it was suspicion (I assulme they read the topic).
I never go actively to a server owner and ask them to ban people. I mean: where would I start? I banned 4 cheaters last saturday in 1 hour.
I think the topic is pretty clear. I'd even say more: based on that topic you still have a very strong suspicion of cheating on your back for me. In the topic ref says that he observed you under a covered nick. He waited to see at least 4 for him very dodgy things from you. All when no moderator was in the game, as you thought. Strange, no?
None of what you said here wasn't answered in that topic? Why bother? because someone else seemed to not agree with me so it was a good time to bring up all this again? YOU HAVE ALL YOUR ANSWERS IN THAT TOPIC. You had them in January and still have them.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212486 is a reply to message #211873] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 15:04 |
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This is why i don't play on most WOL servers, they just happen to be shite.
It's funny how word gets around about cheaters(apparent cheaters may i add), when looking for cws i've seen replies from clans saying,
"we don't play cheaters"
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"What proof do you have that we cheat?"
Its the same old shit,
"We've heard about it from other clans like EoE, SoQ"
I laughed.
I joined the EoE server once and got flamed saying i was hacker just for being a GW member, absolutely no evidence but they said oh, one of your members played under the name Vagina in the clanwar and we didn't like it so we banned him. Then he came on under a another nickname and wasn't banned. So him and everyone else associated with GW is now a hacker in EoE's book.
HOW PATHETIC.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212501 is a reply to message #212421] |
Wed, 09 August 2006 16:53 |
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 08:45 |
It's been a while, heh, 28th of January. I think they just read on our forums (in the topic you posted) that you were banned suspected for cheating. that means that they knew it was suspicion (I assulme they read the topic).
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I just told them that you were banned from our server for cheating.
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So which one is it? Have you changed your story?
I never go actively to a server owner and ask them to ban people. I mean: where would I start? I banned 4 suspected cheaters last saturday in 1 hour.
I think the topic is pretty clear. I'd even say more: based on that topic you still have a very strong suspicion of cheating on your back for me. In the topic ref says that he observed you under a covered nick. He waited to see at least 4 for him very dodgy things from you. All when no moderator was in the game, as you thought. Strange, no? I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about with this last sentence. If you're referring to the four kills I had against him he was saying that was when he was on his own nick, so why would that be strange? if you're talking about something I said recently, well yeah, he already had admitted to using a pseudonym, so it's not strange either that I would know this since it says in the thread.
No, he was saying that during my four kills I had against him under his nick, each time is reason enough to be a suspected cheater(because killing him is impossible/nearly so). But *why* exactly? As far as if i can remember, one of them was just me sniping against him. What's so suspicious about that? Like I said on there, I also missed quite a bit of my shots and everything. So what, killing someone like ref is suspicious then, because he is so good at the game, and anyone who kills him or does better is thus "suspicious"? No, there was nothing "suspicious" what-so-ever, and you still can't name it. So long as you actually do tell me what I did that was suspicious, which you have yet to do, it will always hold no water. I mean if a guy headshots every time that's suspicious, and perhaps reason enough to believe he had big head (which isn't the case here seeing as how I didn't even kill that many people...) This is why I asked over and over if he could name one thing that was me doing something suspicious, something that would normally be nearly impossible for any other person to do, to make him believe I was cheating. Only, I knew that wasn't going to happen because just like every other server I get banned on, they have absolutely no leg to stand on. Really, I don't know exactly what they do with appointing moderators, I'm sure they're just friends. I just wished there were moderators that don't cheat (because I've had that happen to me as well as others before, and admins don't usually do anything due to whatever reason (friend...pays for server...etc) and I wish for moderators that actually KNOW the game and can spot things like damage differences quite easily. Also for moderators not to give shitty reasons for not allowing testing "because it can be bypassed" is not a reason. RG1.04 will be able to be bypassed, and some cheats can still be turned off. But who cares about proving cheaters are cheaters and proving falsely accused people are good players.
None of what you said here wasn't answered in that topic? Why bother? because someone else seemed to not agree with me so it was a good time to bring up all this again? YOU HAVE ALL YOUR ANSWERS IN THAT TOPIC. You had them in January and still have them.
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[i]No, they weren't. reread all of ref's posts. Tell me where it says I did something doubtful, SPECIFICALLY.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212790 is a reply to message #211873] |
Fri, 11 August 2006 13:13 |
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Wow, after reading some of the retarded shit i just read, maybe I DON'T want gay clans like koss on clanwars.cc... You guys would probably call every person on there a cheater and cry and quit the game.
Mrpirate and Sniper_De7 do not cheat and never have. I was in a clan with them for two years and can safely say they are some of the best players I've ever played with.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212791 is a reply to message #212790] |
Fri, 11 August 2006 13:26 |
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| Jimbo27 wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 22:13 |
gay clans like koss
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And me who thought the attitude was getting better... wrong again.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212844 is a reply to message #212042] |
Fri, 11 August 2006 20:51 |
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| null wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 10:56 |
Heres an idea.
How about XWIS fixes the ladder instead of using a 3rd party. WHAT A CONCEPT.
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Pretty lame idea. Then you would have a bunch of ladder n00bs. Making games against there freinds and feed off points/kills etc. I hope the never fix that bloody ladder. I perfer server ladders instead of being judged in renegade over a silly ladder... Big whoop. Your ranked high. Good job!!! Want a cookie?
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212886 is a reply to message #212844] |
Sat, 12 August 2006 05:19 |
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| ghost wrote on Sat, 12 August 2006 05:51 |
| null wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 10:56 |
Heres an idea.
How about XWIS fixes the ladder instead of using a 3rd party. WHAT A CONCEPT.
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Pretty lame idea. Then you would have a bunch of ladder n00bs. Making games against there freinds and feed off points/kills etc. I hope the never fix that bloody ladder. I perfer server ladders instead of being judged in renegade over a silly ladder... Big whoop. Your ranked high. Good job!!! Want a cookie?
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They could try to fix the "recruit" tag that stays forever now...
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #212896 is a reply to message #212791] |
Sat, 12 August 2006 07:02 |
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| Goztow wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 22:26 |
| Jimbo27 wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 22:13 |
gay clans like koss
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And me who thought the attitude was getting better... wrong again.
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No you didn't. I still can't see why you can judge a league on the actual forum? I don't think even a quarter of the players on that league post on the forums regulary.....
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #213492 is a reply to message #211873] |
Tue, 15 August 2006 21:26 |
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Incidentally, BHS is working to revive the ladder. We also intend to use outside consultants like MaidenTy1 to make a solution that DOES work for the Renegade community and how it has evolved.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #213524 is a reply to message #213492] |
Wed, 16 August 2006 03:47 |
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| Crimson wrote on Wed, 16 August 2006 00:26 |
Incidentally, BHS is working to revive the ladder. We also intend to use outside consultants like MaidenTy1 to make a solution that DOES work for the Renegade community and how it has evolved.
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #213656 is a reply to message #211873] |
Wed, 16 August 2006 20:33 |
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The only reason I still post or occasionally participate in clan wars in clanwars.cc's renegade league is the forum, the shit talking, all that.
This game would totally suck without it. If we were all friends, if we all didn't talk shit to eachother, if we all didn't argue and said "ns" instead of "bs" everytime someone killed us, then this game would be boring as hell and it would've died AGES ago.
drama keeps games alive. we need you n00bs to come on clanwars, so we can rape u, and make fun of u, till u one day get all pro and rape us back the way H2O does now
im best playa
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #213659 is a reply to message #211873] |
Wed, 16 August 2006 22:12 |
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^^ let's be clear about the fact he is not by any means a good representative of clanwars.cc, everyone...
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| Re: you guys should join clanwars.cc [message #215771 is a reply to message #211873] |
Mon, 28 August 2006 10:49 |
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Clanwars and funwars are the same? Except that clanwars 'count' and funwars dont? And funwars are most of the time unorganized.
Xwis nick: basn44b and still oldschool TTBas I AM NOOB
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you play them to show eachother who is the better clan. But why do you need a league for that? As you might noticed im in TT, and we don't play on cw.cc , but still play clanwars. So, just a notice about this, it's possible playing clanwars without cw.cc 
