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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210039 is a reply to message #209919] |
Thu, 27 July 2006 12:46   |
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Where I come from everybody can get money to pay for an education from our goverment. Allthough, since a few years, you have to pay it back if you don't get that degree in a certain amount of time to keep 'students' from spending all our hard earned tax money on beer, lol. Social security in the US sucks balls though...
| Ma1kel wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 15:40 |
A teacher gets in Holland 100 Euro more a month then someone on welfair, you gotta love the goverment.
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Maybe a teacher that just started work as a teacher. But yeah, our social security has some downsides too. That and 40% taxes  But I guess that's the price we pay.
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210041 is a reply to message #210032] |
Thu, 27 July 2006 12:51 |
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| warranto wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 15:26 |
The minimum wage thing is to keep companies from paying next to nothing.
Those who do not have an education can not get one because they do not have the money. They do not have the money because they aren't being paid enough to survive. They can't get a loan for the education because they do not have the money to qualify for it. They can't get a better job because they do not have the education. They can't get an education because they do not have the money....
and so on and so forth.
Minimum wage, while it may force prices higher, allows the average person to at least make an income that can support them.
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80% of the USA's wealth belongs to 10% of the population - among other things (greedy rich bastard businessmen sitting in the white house making the rich richer) that is because your poorer population is being forced to stay in poverty and flip your burgers for $5 an hour, (pay them more - burgers will go up and people will eat less, might save your country a few $ in medical bills for the ridiculous proportion of obese people) this means these companies making money (going to the 10%) and the workers stay poor.
Support those people and they will be able to make more of a contribution, you already pay less tax than most developed countries, sure there might be a few spongers but society as a whole will improve.
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210054 is a reply to message #210041] |
Thu, 27 July 2006 13:23 |
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Pirate wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 13:51]| warranto wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 15:26 |
The minimum wage thing is to keep companies from paying next to nothing.
Those who do not have an education can not get one because they do not have the money. They do not have the money because they aren't being paid enough to survive. They can't get a loan for the education because they do not have the money to qualify for it. They can't get a better job because they do not have the education. They can't get an education because they do not have the money....
and so on and so forth.
Minimum wage, while it may force prices higher, allows the average person to at least make an income that can support them.
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80% of the USA's wealth belongs to 10% of the population - among other things (greedy rich bastard businessmen sitting in the white house making the rich richer) that is because your poorer population is being forced to stay in poverty and flip your burgers for $5 an hour, (pay them more - burgers will go up and people will eat less, might save your country a few $ in medical bills for the ridiculous proportion of obese people) this means these companies making money (going to the 10%) and the workers stay poor.
Support those people and they will be able to make more of a contribution, you already pay less tax than most developed countries, sure there might be a few spongers but society as a whole will improve.
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By "your", I'm sure you are talking about the American population, and not the population of where I live...
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210070 is a reply to message #209919] |
Thu, 27 July 2006 14:38 |
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J ball, you make a good point, and I thank you for it, I have a different perspective on economy now, I always looked at it from such a direct approach.
However, minimum wage wasn't supposed to be increased so drastically. It was supposed to be increased gradually so the economy and cost of living could adjust properly. It was denied every time. Meanwhile congress votes themselves a fat pay raise just about every year... fucking pigs.
The cost of living has gone up, people are living in shit. And you know exactly what I mean J ball, you live somewhat close to downtown detroit right? (Which I am a close resident to also) so i'm sure you've been there at least once. There are streets upon streets of boarded up and abandoned houses. This is screwed up dude.
The balance of the cost of living, and people's wage is improper, something has to be done, maybe raising minimum wage is not the answer, maybe something else is needed.
Perhaps our taxes are too high and we're paying for things that aren't that important, or possibly there's something else messing things up, either way something is wrong here.
If I knew more I could probably have a stronger opinion on everything, but this is just how I see it at the moment.
And I completely agree that you're supposed to earn what you get, but the less fortunate people should at least be able get enough money so that they can live a somewhat decent life.
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210079 is a reply to message #209919] |
Thu, 27 July 2006 15:22 |
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| warranto wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 14:26 |
The minimum wage thing is to keep companies from paying next to nothing.
Those who do not have an education can not get one because they do not have the money. They do not have the money because they aren't being paid enough to survive. They can't get a loan for the education because they do not have the money to qualify for it. They can't get a better job because they do not have the education. They can't get an education because they do not have the money....
and so on and so forth.
Minimum wage, while it may force prices higher, allows the average person to at least make an income that can support them.
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That's assuming that the cost of living is low enough to be able to pay for it with minimum wage. If you can't afford the cost of living, how are you supposed to be able to afford it *and* the cost of education?
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210102 is a reply to message #210093] |
Thu, 27 July 2006 20:02 |
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| DarkDemin wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 03:17 |
| PaRaDoX wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 18:49 |
| Ma1kel wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 09:05 |
| PaRaDoX wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 07:06 |
USA sucks.
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Do you like quoting yourself stupid ass. Don't bash the country unless you are a citizen here. Even then you have to prove yourself and inteligent and informed individual. So until then shut the fuck up.
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Afaik, she is American indeed.
On a side note. For an example, i am European...so that means that i have no problems with Goatse-pranking people? 
Nothing against the US itself, but that is stupid...Also, doesn't this conflict with your rights of free speech?
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210116 is a reply to message #209919] |
Thu, 27 July 2006 22:55 |
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This is a stupid idea. This bill sucks.
And on the the subject of minimum wage. national minimum wage is fine at $5.10. Perhaps several state minimum wages need to be raised, I dunno.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210154 is a reply to message #210052] |
Fri, 28 July 2006 06:24 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 15:18 |
I find it amusing that someone who lives in England is trying to tell North American residents how their government works and how wealthy their residents are.
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Go and ask 10 people on the street what % of the nation holds 80% of the countries wealth - I bet 9 of them won't care or have a clue.
Warranto, "your" was directed towards US residents - but as ACK pointed out I am not a US resident but that doesn't stop me being interested/concerned with what happens there - a lot of things the US does (like refusing to sign the Kyoto (spelling?) treaty and pumping out more pollution than anywhere else on the planet whilst a huge hole sits in the Ozone layer)
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210179 is a reply to message #209919] |
Fri, 28 July 2006 10:25 |
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Can you prove that statement? Assuming you can even do that, can you prove why the "top 20%" are wrong\evil\bad for having wealth?
Oh boy, Kyoto. Perhaps we should have nuked that city instead of Nagasaki, that way the treaty would never get mentioned by rabid invalids who can't seem to use their mental faculties to understand why we didn't RATIFY it. We signed it.
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The treaty was negotiated in Kyoto, Japan in December 1997, opened for signature on March 16, 1998, and closed on March 15, 1999. The agreement came into force on February 16, 2005 following ratification by Russia on November 18, 2004. As of July 2006, a total of 164 countries have ratified the agreement (representing over 61.6% of emissions from Annex I countries) UNFCCC.int Duwe, Matthias. Notable exceptions include the United States and Australia. Other countries, like India and China, which have ratified the protocol, are not required to reduce carbon emissions under the present agreement.
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The current President, George W. Bush, has indicated that he does not intend to submit the treaty for ratification, not because he does not support the general idea, but because of the strain he believes the treaty would put on the economy; he emphasizes the uncertainties which he asserts are present in the climate change issue Corn, David (2001). Furthermore, he is not happy with the details of the treaty. For example, he does not support the split between Annex I countries and others. Bush said of the treaty:
This is a challenge that requires a 100% effort; ours, and the rest of the world's. The world's second-largest emitter of greenhouse gases is China. Yet, China was entirely exempted from the requirements of the Kyoto Protocol. India and Germany are among the top emitters. Yet, India was also exempt from Kyoto … America's unwillingness to embrace a flawed treaty should not be read by our friends and allies as any abdication of responsibility. To the contrary, my administration is committed to a leadership role on the issue of climate change … Our approach must be consistent with the long-term goal of stabilizing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere. Whitehouse.gov President Bush Discusses Global Climate Change
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210187 is a reply to message #209919] |
Fri, 28 July 2006 10:48 |
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The rich 10% are the people making money from all the oil refineries, big SUV's, power plants, large factories, AC units and other pollutants - they are the people who can afford to cut emissions and stop killing the planet. The white house is full of these rich businessmen, on a global scale they are basically saying they care more about their money than that and as you pointed out 164 countries have already agreed to it, so it can be done.
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210231 is a reply to message #210093] |
Fri, 28 July 2006 17:01 |
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| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 19:17 |
| PaRaDoX wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 18:49 |
| Ma1kel wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 09:05 |
| PaRaDoX wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 07:06 |
USA sucks.
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Do you like quoting yourself stupid ass. Don't bash the country unless you are a citizen here. Even then you have to prove yourself and inteligent and informed individual. So until then shut the fuck up.
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In the meantime, all of the U.S. citizens that aren't doing that are proving his point.
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210234 is a reply to message #210193] |
Fri, 28 July 2006 17:20 |
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| DarkDemin wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 13:31 |
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Pirate wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 13:48]The rich 10% are the people making money from all the oil refineries, big SUV's, power plants, large factories, AC units and other pollutants - they are the people who can afford to cut emissions and stop killing the planet. The white house is full of these rich businessmen, on a global scale they are basically saying they care more about their money than that and as you pointed out 164 countries have already agreed to it, so it can be done.
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You're a fool.
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Prove it. DarkDemin is correct, with regards to the wealthy.
I'm not saying that all wealthy are evil. I am saying that they most certainly don't seem willing to share the wealth. I'm not saying that they should just give their wealth up, since that doesn't actually solve anything. I'm saying that for them to gain such wealth, they aren't using their wealth sufficiently They aren't putting the money back into the economy, and a lot of the times when they do put a little back into the economy, it's spent on useless things that never get used to its potential (such as land, mansions, etc).
It's really really sad that there are members of society that literally work their life away for just a few dollars per hour and rarely get to spend time with their family, when there are others that get paid hundreds every hour, work from 8 to 4, get weekends off, get a month of paid vacation, and etc. And they usually don't have such a large family, either... so their money gets spent even less.
Fact is, most of the wealthy people that aren't "evil" don't flaunt their wealth to absolutely everyone that they can, and thus aren't usually seen as wealthy. Sure, they're seen as rich (especially to the people with whom they are actually acquainted)... just not so rich that you could pick them out in a crowd.
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| Re: goatse is now ILLEGAL in the US! [message #210484 is a reply to message #209919] |
Sun, 30 July 2006 16:31 |
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About koyoto (bleh, it's late):
So what, What do you think China's going to do if it doesn't collapse first? (hint: the words "invade", "neighbouring", and "countries" are involved) They don't give a fuck about that sort of thing, America is the (supposedly) greatest democracy in the world (bleh, what are they doing owing money to China, exactly?) So they, should, from a global standpoint, do the exact opposite...
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