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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204527 is a reply to message #204417]

Mon, 19 June 2006 18:57

Dave Anderson
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Dang this thing even fixed my generals. My water would always flash on any maps or menus and after this little patch its perfect now.

Question though, generals is the renegade engine but shouldnt this patch be directed tword renegade only?

I don't know much of anything about DirectX or Direct3D, but maybe since Generals and Renegade use the same engine, the programs share similar functions, in which this patch can use [DllImport] and [DllExport] functions to access them. For example:

Generals contains some FunctionX(); and Renegade contains the same some FunctionX(); The patch uses [DllImport] and [DllExport] to retrieve those functions and has the same produced effect on each.

I don't know if that makes any sense, but it's just a thought. (I use a similar method to retrieve functions from two seperate Windows Forms in my applications)

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204541 is a reply to message #204527]

Mon, 19 June 2006 22:53

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Dead Dave wrote on Mon, 19 June 2006 20:57

Generals and Renegade use the same engine

Nein.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204553 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 01:39

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cmatt42 wrote on Mon, 19 June 2006 23:53

Dead Dave wrote on Mon, 19 June 2006 20:57

Generals and Renegade use the same engine

Nein.

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Question though, generals is the renegade engine but

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204554 is a reply to message #204518]

Tue, 20 June 2006 03:28

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icedog90 wrote on Mon, 19 June 2006 18:55

Most people don't even notice, but it bugs the crap out of me if it's off. By tearing I mean you actually see lines across the screen between frames. it's kind of hard to describe, you have to see it. I don't know why almost everyone doesn't even notice, but I see it so easily.

I also notice that when it's off, and it really looks ugly.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204561 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 05:19

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The source engine uses W3D files, same with BFME, does this mean that C&C 3 TW will use W3Ds too? If it does, im making a C&C 3 mod for renegade.

HORQWER wrote on Tue, 18 September 2007 20:47

this is not a real renegade forums ,some one made it up

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204566 is a reply to message #204541]

Tue, 20 June 2006 05:34

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cmatt42 wrote on Tue, 20 June 2006 01:53

Dead Dave wrote on Mon, 19 June 2006 20:57

Generals and Renegade use the same engine

Nein.

Tis

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There is tremendous evidence that it is the renegade engine with just updates to graphic points like shadowing and lighting.

Im not saying its a TC or something like that but it uses W3D (Same exact one as Renegade, header is at the end of file instead of the beginning) might be visa-versa

Uses RenX to model and bone.
All objects are boned the same way as renegade.
Maps use heightfield (Enhanced of course)

It is the renegade engine, just in a different shell.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204574 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 06:57

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if generals (basically) uses the renegade engine, couldnt someone sort of port the generals engine into renegade?

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204581 is a reply to message #204566]

Tue, 20 June 2006 08:47

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Oblivion165 wrote on Tue, 20 June 2006 14:34

cmatt42 wrote on Tue, 20 June 2006 01:53

Dead Dave wrote on Mon, 19 June 2006 20:57

Generals and Renegade use the same engine

Nein.

Tis

index.php?t=getfile&id=1273&private=0

There is tremendous evidence that it is the renegade engine with just updates to graphic points like shadowing and lighting.

Im not saying its a TC or something like that but it uses W3D (Same exact one as Renegade, header is at the end of file instead of the beginning) might be visa-versa

Uses RenX to model and bone.
All objects are boned the same way as renegade.
Maps use heightfield (Enhanced of course)

It is the renegade engine, just in a different shell.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204583 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 08:57

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They don't use the same engine. This will work on any game. it has nothing to do with how similar the engines are.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204594 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 11:59

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Generals uses the SAGE engine, which is being modified for C&C 3.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204600 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 13:38

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Generals is DX8-based and it's simply a port of the W3D Engine to a rts-variant, named SAGE.
This should work there too.
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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204602 is a reply to message #204583]

Tue, 20 June 2006 13:53

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Renx wrote on Tue, 20 June 2006 12:57

This will work on any game. it has nothing to do with how similar the engines are.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204604 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 14:14

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Getting back on topic here...

I, personally wouldent reccomend using this utility if you (still) use old PCI cards as it may decrease perfomance.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204606 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 14:41

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It shouldn't be used on any cards that don't default to DX9. Old PCI cards would most likely fall into that catagory.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204614 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 15:43

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Its not DX9, that runs fine on the card. Maybe its the utility? Maybe i installed it wrong since there was no instructions for installation? All i know it it failed to boost my FPS so its uninstalled from my system.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204617 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 16:23

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Getting back on topic here...

I, personally wouldent reccomend using this utility if you (still) use old PCI cards as it may decrease perfomance.

My card is PCI and it supports DirectX 9c and OpenGL 1.5. It doesn't get that great of performance on newer games but it runs most of them fine for me.

And there were instructions on how to install the patch on there website just a tad further down from the download link.

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How to install:

Download and unzip the latest build of RenD3D9 and extract the contents in to your Renegade game directory.
After you installed RenD3D9 launch wwconfig2.exe (located in your renegade directory) to configure the new features.
To be able to run RenD3D9 make sure to install the DirectX 9.0c June 2006 release.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204626 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 17:19

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204627 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 17:23

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Well, it may be the fact that when i edit "WWConfig2.exe" and hit "ok" it returnes to normal/default. Anywho, i'm ok without it.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204633 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 18:23

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Might install Ren again to try this out. Even with a 6800GS my FPS was never exceptional (70-80) but it'll be interesting to see how this works. On my old Radeon there was a DX option to unlimit the FPS and I got about 300 on the menu screen but I can't remember what it was.

As for Vsync, it basically sychronizes the FPS with the screen refresh rate which somebody has already said. A CRT draws the screen with a single point/dot spanning the screen from top to bottom really fast (refresh rate speed), drawing each dot/pixel in horizontal lines and Vsync allows it to keep up. Atleast that's how I think it works. I dunno about TFTs. Do you get ripping on them? I'm guessing you do but the screen must draw differently.

Ooh, nasty.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204634 is a reply to message #204497]

Tue, 20 June 2006 18:38

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Ma1kel wrote on Mon, 19 June 2006 16:03

Homey wrote on Mon, 19 June 2006 14:33

My fps went 20% higher than before.

20-40% for me, and the game looks better.

Yep nice and crisp.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204635 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 18:41

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Yeah, you get ripping on LCD monitors.

Don't expect a performance boost, sanada. I have a 6800 and the only thing that goes faster is the loading screen. This is better for people who have somewhere around the FX series and the ATi 9000 series.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204640 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 19:24

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Cool, but could this get you banned from renguard?

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204650 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 21:07

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I doubt it. It doesn't interfere with anything so I don't see why Crimson would ban anyone for using this.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204664 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 21:56

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I actually think this should be stickied.

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Re: Increase Renegades performance. [message #204679 is a reply to message #204417]

Tue, 20 June 2006 23:22

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I can't see this helping the 4 series. Are you sure? I'll try it if it will in fact help but I'm skeptical. Dx9 is mean to me and my GF4 and I don't see using DX9 optimizations helping.

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