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			| Re: New Computer Research [message #204043 is a reply to message #204016] | Thu, 15 June 2006 16:37   |  
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	| | icedog90 wrote on Thu, 15 June 2006 17:00 |  | I'm not oblivious about sound cards.  I know what is good and what isn't, and I know that mine isn't that bad.  I had to buy it because my integrated sound card was fucking shit.  yes, I said it, it was fucking shit.  that means integrated sound cards aren't worse than the SB Live.
 
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 AC'97 here, the sound cards are in our other PCs.
 
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			| Re: New Computer Research [message #204044 is a reply to message #203573] | Thu, 15 June 2006 16:41   |  
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	| Hehe, that kind of stuff happens. I myself take the chipset fan and cpu fan off, clean lap and reset all heatsinks with good ol AS. Hell, I put thermaltake big water on my rig for $120 from directron.com. I have the fan on the radiator turned all the way down. It runs so cool I don't even monitor the temps anymore. If you go with water cooling, fit the lines to your liking before you fill it. I have one line I want to go over instead of under, but it's not worth removing. 
 I was just looking at the Gigabyte web site, note that all motherboards come from Taiwan. I guess Gigabit and gigibyte are two different company's.
 
 mrpirate, you should have called ATI and told them that they are your bitch and you want another videocard, without any locked features. They owe you that much, they owe me that much. I think I spent $450 on the 9700 pro, faster than anything nVidia had on the market. Faster than anything nVidia had ready to release. woopty doo, I can watch the most beautiful movies you will ever see on a computer. Playing Renegade, I get 10 FPS in the middle of a huge fire fight. Now I have a $165 evga6600 gt that will never slow down in a game. Thats all I wanted.
 
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			| Re: New Computer Research [message #204045 is a reply to message #203573] | Thu, 15 June 2006 16:44   |  
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	| There're no "sound cards" on motherboards, just chips. Sound chips (integrated) will lower the framerate in games (by little, though) due to the fact that it's using the processor's power to function. You'll get a better in-game experience as there will be no (at least there shouldn't be any) 'chipping/skipping' in the sound (moments when the chip cannot process any more sound, therefore it 'mutes' some).
 
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168291021 88 is the best solution, in my opinion (at a decent price). It's my belief that you don't need that fancy X-Ram crap that only two games actually use.
 
 
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			| Re: New Computer Research [message #204053 is a reply to message #203573] | Thu, 15 June 2006 17:25   |  
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	| Seems to me that manufacturer would make a BIOS update to fix that. In fact, I am sure there probably is one. This is where the Taiwan info may be handy. I caution anyone to never flash the BIOS of any hardware without full understanding of what the flash will change, and how to do it. If you lose power to the PC during a flash the BIOS chip is done. Unless you have an extra chip and the knowledge and skill to install one. Well, this is where the Taiwan info can be handy. All that being said, I use a 3rd party BIOS from Big Tony at OCZ. If the manufacturer will not write a BIOS fix someone will. 
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			| Re: New Computer Research [message #204074 is a reply to message #203573] | Thu, 15 June 2006 22:49   |  
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	| Well, I am in the same boat as Doitle is.  I need to upgrade now.  The only difference is that I need to because my old computer just pooped out, so I am in grave danger.  Well... Really I just want to find a Motherboard (that can support two hard drives), a CPU, a big hard drive, a case with decent cooling system (or I can upgrade it), and a power supply.  I am trying to stay under $1500 so have at it!  There are soo many choices that I am way to confused to make decisions by myself. [Updated on: Thu, 15 June 2006 22:50] Report message to a moderator |  
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			| Re: New Computer Research [message #204147 is a reply to message #203573] | Fri, 16 June 2006 12:25   |  
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	| I feel bad about the OCZ XV comments. OCZ is the best company I know of in the computer enthusiast market. They bend over backwards for their customers, and RMA hardware that they shouldn't. I know they replaced tons of modules killed by a voltage issue the DFI board had on shut down. I know customers have received replacement hardware before they shipped the original hardware to OCZ. They are very active in the overclocking community, helpful with suggesting BIOS revisions and settings.
 I would like to try Corsair modules, but I'm an OCZ customer. If i purchase a new PSU it will be OCZ. Which I will not be doing for a long time because I already have the OCZ 520w PSU. It is one of the best on the market. They may be the best PSU supplier on the market.
 
 A 4 GHZ watercooled monster for $720
 
 Required reading, for RAID to work you need 2 HDD's If one cost 100 bucs then you are spending 200 bucs on storage. Thats to much.
 
 
 What's wrong with this video card, looks like a beast to me @ $275
 
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			| Re: New Computer Research [message #204187 is a reply to message #203573] | Fri, 16 June 2006 17:39   |  
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	| Is that mobo that Exdeath pasted really great? I was looking more into it, it's got an integrated sound chip. The Asus Crystal Sound system, 6 onboard USB ports, SATA support, All kinds of overclockers tools, Two Ethernet ports, Raid Support, And theres something on the panel I cant tell what it is, it's a yellow jack. Looks like a Video jack almost. I can't tell what it is but I think it goes to whatever the black horse-shoe shaped thing is in the accessories package shown on Newegg. I think I've settled on this mobo and an AMD 64 X2 4200+. What do you guys think about just that so far? 
 
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			| Re: New Computer Research [message #204264 is a reply to message #203573] | Sat, 17 June 2006 14:06   |  
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	| I've been thinking about the integrated sound issue. I believe the extra processing of the on board sound should easily be handled by a dual core processor. Case ventilation (direction of the fans) are front, bottom and sides pull air in, top and rear push air out. The direction of airflow is shown with an arrow cast into the fan casing.
 
 Maybe someone can explain memory size to me. At what point is there to much memory? Vista, I believe will be capable of utilizing a terabyte of memory, opposed to 4megs. Where is the  trade off between memory size and the time to read the available memory. For instance, I can go into 7 - 11 for aspirin and be out in 3 minutes. If I go into Wal-Mart, it takes 15 minutes. Why is this not an issue with memory? Hell, before long we can do away with hard drives. I know the whole module has to be scanned for data. I don't know why there isn't a trade off in performance.
 
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 The best finish, closest finish in the 50 year history of Winston Cup
 Freddy Krueger music video
 Harvester Of Sorrow, language of the mad
 Johnny Cash & Bob Dylan A Thousand Miles Behind
 Your own personal Jesus, someone to hear your prayers
 Kyle's mom is a bitch
 Johnny Cash Live @ San Quentin
 Don't Y'all Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?
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