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Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #202039 is a reply to message #188804] Thu, 01 June 2006 04:56 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Well that's a light pulse, not "real" light...


Actually, it'sa full-fledged beam of light.

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...and I've already said numerous times why the text can't realistically be considered a clue.


Ah yes, because a scientist, for some reason, has more credibility that people who claim to have witnessed it first hand.

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Do you know who wrote the New Testament?

...and once again Science can be self-tought, Christians have to fully rely on what those 4 guys wrote.


So what about that is so bad?

I mean, you rely on what people wrote before your time, nearly every day. In fact, schools are founded on that idea.

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Yes, and therefore you can't put them in the same category.


Both deal with the unprovable, and the superfluous. Both are used to attempt to prove something without being able to present "proof". Yup, sounds like a different category to me.

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1. I could walk the steps that lead to the scientific conclusion on my own.

2. Just because it was deemed science back then doesn't make it science...lol


First, I don't see you walking the steps to prove evey single scientific discovery ever made. And if you can't do that, your argument here holds no water.

Second, just because it was deemed science back then, MAKES it science. The only difference was that the science was wrong.

After all, the idea that the sun revolved around the earth has some very convincing "proof".

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I don't have to prove things over and over again that have been proven before.


Except is hasn't been proven. Some guy, some where, showed a group of people some pictures and called it "molecules". Unless you can prove differenty, you have no choise but to simply believe what you were told, and go about your day.

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If God can exist as a starting point, then why not the universe? Follow your logic further and you'll see that someone must have created God. Or, why should God have always been there? What makes you think that something that superfluous exists?


Ah, so to follow my logic, then some all powerful being must have created all things, and somewhere along the line we decided to worship the being that created the universe, instead of the actual primary creater itself. Well, I guess religion got it wrong, and that God still exists, just not as was previously believed.

And please, explain to me WHY qualifying as being beyond what is required or sufficient is so wrong?

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....how close can you get with your belief?



There is a reason it is called a belief, meaning there is no proof for it.

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Yes, it's not 100% certaintly, it's 99.9999%, which we call proof.



Wrong. Any integer less than 100% is a belief. If it is "proof", it MUST be 100%, or eles there is room to call it into question. And, if it can be questioned, then it can not be a proof. Now, 99.9999999% is the closest thing to "proof" that a belief can get to, but it is not qualified proof.

Unless you actually want to suggest that something that is proven still possesses the ability to be dispoven....
 
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