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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200835 is a reply to message #196782] |
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Sniper_De7
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Yeah pack, because everyone knows it's so incredibly hard to shoot vehicles with snipers. Gonna go out on a limb and say it's one of your favourite things to do since it's so challenging and skillful to shoot vehicles with guns that shoot instantly. Seriously, it isn't because you lack the skill in a med tank to kill an arty. Nope. Nothing like that at all.
PS: You aren't in a condition to say anyone is bad at this game...
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200842 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 06:27 |
PackHunter
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LOL! First of all, Ack I couldn't be happier to hear that you left Renegade so I won't argue with you there, you might even come back!
Further more you guys assume all you like. Untill you faced me in battle you don't know shit about how I play this game. I have nothing to proof here. Everybody that actually knows me, knows how good I am so I'll just leave my skillz at that.
My point is a GOOD player knows how to deal with anything that is thrown at him in game. If a sniper is bothering you, you kill him or buy a vehicle with heavy armor. n00bs go out and cry about it, because don't have the skill or don't know how to handle it.
It's the same with hillcamping. Why do you think the mapmakers did put that fucking hill there in the first place huh? If the enemy is shooting your refinary you repair it and kill the guys that are doing it. Don't put in some bullshit rule because you can't handle it. That map was actually fun untill someone decided to put in a rule that forbids it and all the other servers decided to follow it.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200843 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 06:31 |
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Sniper_De7
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I probably have played against you. Were you in any clans Packhunter? Don't tell me you're [W]arlord
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200844 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 06:34 |
PackHunter
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No, I was in K4T and StuTu and I am now part of -=uT=-|. I used to play on Mac's GSA only server (Renegade Community Server) all the time untill StuTu died 6 months or so back. I also don't play on american servers for several reasons.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200846 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 06:44 |
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Sniper_De7
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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.lowe8/k4t.JPG
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.lowe8/k4t2.JPG
Also got 29954(ourpoints):9277(stutu's) in our warhistory
We also played UT once before, except the first map didn't finish because you guys thought we cheated when we were destroying you Nod Under.
Of course, you may not have been in any of the teams, but it goes to show you how you're not in the ballpark
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200850 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 07:24 |
PackHunter
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StuTu and K4T may not have been a very good clan in clan wars because they almost never played any, but they were definitly fun clans to be in. As for uT, I would gladly take on gse with them. The current gse is a cheap rip off of the old gse anyway. We did however win the ESL cup and haven't lost a clan war, sniping or AOW, in months as far as I know. You are welcome to challenge us again on www.united-teamworkers.de.
As for you Ack. What you are saying is that snipers are invincible? Don't make me laugh, it is not THAT hard to kill a sniper. But even if you know someone is better then you or has a better weapon then you, you could also try and AVOID them and kill his barracs instead. That is what I mean by dealing with it if you didn't get it the first time. Obviously you can't win them all but for the love of God don't start crying about it.
Oh and I asked about having a clan-war uT against gse. Nobody seems to remember that incident. I am kinda curious who you were playing from our clan. Don't you have any screens of that?
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200852 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 07:35 |
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JohnDoe
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BTW gse doesn't really exist anymore, but I'm sure that we could put together an allstar team with Spoony and guys just to kick your n00b ass 6v6.
lol
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200861 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 08:10 |
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Dover
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He's just trying to save face. Let him try to save a shred of dignity after emberessing himself.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
Remember kids the internet is serious business.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200881 is a reply to message #200879] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 09:48 |
PackHunter
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 12:31 |
How is saying "You suck because you've laid out your case for a weapon being overpowered" somehow you being right? Do you know what evidence is, and how to support an argument with it?
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I will explain this one last time real easy: if there are many havocs about, DON'T buy something that is ripped apart easily by havocs. It is that simple. Buy something else to either kill those snipers or something that they can't kill like heavy armor and ignore them to kill their base.
If you still go out and buy an orca with havocs about, that would just be plain stupid, right? That is why you should buy an orca only when the hand/barracs is down or risk being ripped apart.
Overpowered would be if you could do absolutely nothing against it. But that is definitly not the case here. I really don't see why people are getting so worked up over this n00bjet here.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200883 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 10:04 |
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JohnDoe
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Which is it? You didn't read what de7 has said here several times or it was too many words for you to understand?
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200884 is a reply to message #200883] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 10:10 |
PackHunter
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| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 13:04 |
Which is it? You didn't read what de7 has said here several times or it was too many words for you to understand?
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Actually, I didn't feel like reading through all 7 pages of rambling about how you guys let yourself get owned by snipers every game. Feel free to quote him for me.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200885 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 10:16 |
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Aircraftkiller
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Oh, okay. To show you the faults in your logic:
For this discussion, we will assume that Havoc is replaced by a unit called Unit X. Unit X has a remote control that destroys everything on the enemy team, so long as you press the only button it has. Now, let's assume that Unit X has existed in place of Havoc\Sakura for the past four years, and that its only weakness is another Unit X, or a solitary set of units that is impervious to its Remote Control of Doom.
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I will explain this one last time real easy: if there are many Unit X about, DON'T buy something that is ripped apart easily by Unit X. It is that simple. Buy something else to either kill those remote control users or something that they can't kill like heavy armor and ignore them to kill their base.
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The problem with this argument should be apparent. You're suggesting that Unit X is the only viable counter to Unit X. If Unit X were balanced, another unit not of its own type could take it out easily.
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If you still go out and buy an orca with Unit X about, that would just be plain stupid, right? That is why you should buy an orca only when the hand/barracks is down or risk being ripped apart.
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So any vehicle should be rendered useless (or better yet, with heavy armor, point-beneficial to the enemy) because Unit X exists on the battlefield?
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Overpowered would be if you could do absolutely nothing against it. But that is definitly not the case here. I really don't see why people are getting so worked up over this n00bjet here.
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In the case of Unit X, there is nothing you can do about it. Once the button is pressed, the game is almost won for its team. This isn't much different from Havocs and Sakuras. In case you're as stupid as you come off as being, I'll make a little list to show you what happens with what units:
Havoc\Sakura can destroy these, with one shot:
Rifle Soldiers
Grenadiers
Flamethrowers
Shotgun Troopers
Engineers
Havoc\Sakura can destroy these, with two shots:
All other types of infantry
Havoc\Sakura can destroy these, with four to five shots:
Buggies
Hum-vees
MRLS
Artillery
Orcas
Apaches
Transport Helicopters
Havoc\Sakura cannot easily destroy these, but will earn upwards of 10 points per shot from them:
All classes of vehicles.
Havoc\Sakura have instant impact with their weaponry. They have the most range of any unit (along with 500 credit snipers, that are also slightly overpowered due to their insane vehicle damage and point grabbing) at 300 meters, which is the maximum view distance. They hold 32 rounds, four in the n00b cannon itself upon purchase or rearmament. Not only that, but they also do the patented Flicker Dance of Death where the client thinks that the unit is walking, while the server says they're running, so you see both animations at the same time as they move side to side. This, in turn, makes them even harder to take out than they already are with 250 points of health and 100 points of armor.
All of this is gained for a measly 1,000 credits, while every other 1,000 unit does much less for the same price. Amazing, isn't it? Now go crawl back under your rock.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200897 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 10:54 |
PackHunter
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For this discussion, we will assume every letter you typed in your last post is an e. WTF you don't make any sense at all now!!! I have won this discussion...
Ok, moving on. To get 2 hits on other characters in 1 on 1 combat you actually need quite some practice. Not everybody just picks up a n00bjet and starts killing people with it. And I think a character that costs 1000 credits should be able to kill free characters pretty easily don't you?
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while every other 1,000 unit does much less for the same price
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How about a raveshaw? Isn't that overpowered too then? I can just as easily "snipe" with a raveshaw seeying that a sniper does not use it's scope in renegade. It does not have the same range and not a big clip but the damage is instant too and is the same to characters as the havoc's. To make up for range and reload times they do insane damage to ALL kinds of vehicles. It seems to me that for the same price you get something similar as the havoc.
I'll give you one thing though, the points they get for hitting heavy armored vehicles. I do think that if you are not doing any damage you shouldn't get any points. Allthough I think of this as a minor bug.
And about the flickering dance (which is obviously a bug too), a sniper looking through his scope is really easy to hit because they actually hardly move at all dispite of what you say.
Those last 2 bugs have nothing to do with the n00bjet being overpowered though.
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Now go crawl back under your rock.
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You are a retard.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200903 is a reply to message #200890] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 11:02 |
PackHunter
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| mrpirate wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 13:35 |
| PackHunter wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 13:10 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 13:04 |
Which is it? You didn't read what de7 has said here several times or it was too many words for you to understand?
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Actually, I didn't feel like reading through all 7 pages of rambling about how you guys let yourself get owned by snipers every game. Feel free to quote him for me.
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You are misunderstanding the argument. De7 isn't complaining because he is killed by n00bjets (in fact it's the other way around), he is complaining because he is frustrated by people who will continue to buy n00bjets even after he kills them 4 times in a row. After all, against MOST people they are equivalent to easy points, so a lot of people never bother to learn to do anything but sit on the bridge on City Flying and shoot at Orcas/Apaches.
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Yeah, the flaming aside, I get frustrated by n00bs in general too. I love them when they are on the opposite side though.  But this has nothing to do with the n00bjet. A few snipers sitting on the bridge at city is actually not as bad in my eyes. It stops the orca's from destroying my harvy or detecting the incoming stank rush.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200904 is a reply to message #196782] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 11:08 |
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JohnDoe
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Ok, moving on. To get 2 hits on other characters in 1 on 1 combat you actually need quite some practice. Not everybody just picks up a n00bjet and starts killing people with it. And I think a character that costs 1000 credits should be able to kill free characters pretty easily don't you?
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Uhm it's easier than with any other unit? The only unit that is comparably good at killing infantry is the Mobius/Mendoza, but he has extremely limited range.
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How about a raveshaw? Isn't that overpowered too then? I can just as easily "snipe" with a raveshaw seeying that a sniper does not use it's scope in renegade. It does not have the same range and not a big clip but the damage is instant too and is the same to characters as the havoc's. To make up for range and reload times they do insane damage to ALL kinds of vehicles. It seems to me that for the same price you get something similar as the havoc.
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OK let's compare:
Damage against Infantry: Ramjet can shoot twice as many shots and can scope...clear winner.
Damage against Light Vehicles: Ramjet clear winner for the same reasons.
Damage against Heavy Vehicles: Railgun wins, but Tanks will do more damage, so it's not a neccessary unit. Points-wise, the Ramjet still wins, which is important since most games come down to points, not basekill. I'm call it a slight win for the Railgun.
Range: Ramjet can damage/get points off vehicles over the whole map, where they can't even reach him. Raveshaw has less range than tanks...Ramjet clear winner.
So the Ramjet completely owns the Railgun in 3 out of 4 categories...how can you even compare the two?
Get a clue...n00b.
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