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I admire De7 for putting up with this extreme retardation for 5 pages. After reading through this thread, I feel considerably dumber, so now I will drink coffee, lay on my back, pee all over myself and then stay like that until the sun comes rises again.
Cheers!
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200525 is a reply to message #200364] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 08:39 |
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| Alexraptor wrote on Mon, 22 May 2006 10:16 |
But again, this debate is 100% pointless, the ramjets are part of the game, and they do the damage they do, that is never going to change, so i suggest you stop whining and play, or find a server that has different settings for them 
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I completely agree with you 
PS:sniper De7 do you play renegade that much or do you just sit around in this forum all day brainwashing ppl 
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200538 is a reply to message #196782] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 09:11 |
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I'm not "brainwashing" anybody. They have a right to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Yeah, I play this game. Lot more than you have, anyways. You probably just got the game since the decade pack and found these forums and wanted to spam all topics concerning "tactics and strategies" Of which, you have absolutely no input. This topic is about n00bjets and the idea that they're too powerful. What the fuck should I talk about? chocolate? If you seriously are complaining then you should leave the forums, which would be better for the both of us. If you don't agree with what I say, how about instead of insulting me, like any person who doesn't have a point to make would do, you try and tell me why you think so?
I'm perfectly fine with you having your opinion, I just want to know the reasoning behind it. For argumentive purposes, Orca/apache aside, tell me one solid reason why ramjets should do more damage to light armoured vehicles? Wouldn't you think something like, anti-vehicle should do more damage? I mean, why buy a PIC on Field if there are arties on your door. ramjets do more damage per second, not to mention it's infinite range. Care to explain the reasoning? It makes having a PIC/Mobius more worthless since not only does the ramjet excel in fighting vehicles  But it can decimate any infantry in less than two hits, not to mention it's infamous ability to kill base infantry in one hit. Aside from that, you also get the monstrous amount of points for hitting vehicles with it. Care to shed some light, please?
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200554 is a reply to message #196782] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 12:03 |
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no, those are called facts.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200574 is a reply to message #200538] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 14:23 |
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| Sniper_De7 wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 11:11 |
I'm not "brainwashing" anybody. They have a right to their opinion, even if it's wrong. Yeah, I play this game. Lot more than you have, anyways. You probably just got the game since the decade pack and found these forums and wanted to spam all topics concerning "tactics and strategies" Of which, you have absolutely no input. This topic is about n00bjets and the idea that they're too powerful. What the fuck should I talk about? chocolate? If you seriously are complaining then you should leave the forums, which would be better for the both of us. If you don't agree with what I say, how about instead of insulting me, like any person who doesn't have a point to make would do, you try and tell me why you think so?
I'm perfectly fine with you having your opinion, I just want to know the reasoning behind it. For argumentive purposes, Orca/apache aside, tell me one solid reason why ramjets should do more damage to light armoured vehicles? Wouldn't you think something like, anti-vehicle should do more damage? I mean, why buy a PIC on Field if there are arties on your door. ramjets do more damage per second, not to mention it's infinite range. Care to explain the reasoning? It makes having a PIC/Mobius more worthless since not only does the ramjet excel in fighting vehicles But it can decimate any infantry in less than two hits, not to mention it's infamous ability to kill base infantry in one hit. Aside from that, you also get the monstrous amount of points for hitting vehicles with it. Care to shed some light, please?
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if they didnt want it to do more damage to light armor vehicles they wouldnt have put it in the game. Anyways why do you think theres a ramjet rifle(1000 credits) in addition to the sniper rifle(500 credits). think about it!that was the reason! it basically does twice as much as a sniper rifle. (BASICALLY) 
by the way it does less damage to buildings than both mobius and PIC does+it fires slower than volt auto
in a 1 on 1 battle with havoc against mendosa if mendosa aint stupid 70% chance mendosa gonna win
i personally think its balanced enough considering ramjet even costs more than orca
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200575 is a reply to message #196782] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 15:01 |
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You should really learn how to play the game before giving advice in the Tactics and Strategies section..
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200579 is a reply to message #196782] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 15:27 |
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To be honest if you are going to pay 1000 credits for a character you want it to be something special - the PIC/Railgun is excellent for killing infantry, I find it acceptable that paying 1000 credits for a unit should allow you do damge against SOME vehicles - a technician/hottie can still repair faster than it can do damage and a skilled copter pilot/another sniper have a fair chance of taking the enemy ramjet out.
Also worth noting that if you pay 1000 points for a ramjet and the tanks come rolling in you are completely useless - thats a big disadvantage for any unit to have.
The only problem I have with the ramjet is that it gives you so many points for hitting heavily armoured vehicles.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200589 is a reply to message #200579] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 16:39 |
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thats my point
im not saying that its the best and i love it. im just saying that its balanced.
about the "SUPER" points it gives for attacking heavilly armored vehicles, i think they just wanted for it to do something while attacking them so they made it get lots of points.
plus they want the game to be a little realistic, but not ruin the fun. and thats hard.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200591 is a reply to message #196782] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 16:41 |
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For killing infantry mate, the ramjet is obviously a better weapon to utilize. the chamber can hold 4 rounds of which only two need to actually hit in any given time. Yeah, the PIC can be good against infantry but comparatively speaking it does fuck-all. In saying this, ramjets are better than PICs, yes? (and mobius/mendoza/raveshaw respectively - in infantry) Now against vehicles (let's say against artys since they're more prominent than MRLs are) You'd rather have a ramjet than a PIC, for reasons of obviousness. It reaches farther (infinite) does more damage per second, and reaches its target instantly. The PIC has a shorter range (meaning, a tank/copter (if you will) can outrun a PIC, but can't a ramjet because its range is unlimited), it does less damage (backward thinking here since PIC is anti-vehicle, or supposed to be..) however, it shoots instantly(par with the ramjet), but still falls short to the ramjet. For a mobius/mendoza, the range is pathetic which is its weakness and a big one at that. I can stand my own against 2 PICs what's hard to do is be able to kill two ramjets who are singling me out. As for against heavy vehicles, unless you're a complete moron you won't be where heavy armoured vehicles can get you. Take for example Field - a ramjet often times sits at his base entrance shooting any vehicle that comes out getting loads of points. If he sees an APC/Light tank/med tank/whatever, the guy can just go back to his entrance and keep firing away bullets getting 10 points a pop. In any case, there are plenty of places where snipers can be to not be hassled by heavy vehicles. I don't think I have to actually name every single spot, and i'll just assume you know that you can't get at every single sniper with tanks. (and why would you if you have tanks shooting at you anyways) The idea is that a ramjet is a sniper rifle, and sure, if you want to use it as anti-air so be it, even though it's my opinion its way over-powered as one, and I have reasons to back this up, I could ignore this and ask why the ramjet should be more useful against vehicles than the PIC/mobius and then be more useful against infantry. Common logic tells you leave the sniping units to be good against the infantry and then the anti-vehicle infantry to be good against (gasp) vehicles. But that's not the way it is, and would be fooling yourself if you thought otherwise.
@red - you definetely haven't played very long. It wasn't *intended* to get massive amount of points. You seem to think that EA/westwood still manages this game. It abandoned it a long time ago, there are no more official patches. The last patch was more of a necessity since there was a nuke-> then leave the game glitch where you could blow up your own teams buildings (I don't know why I bother telling you this, as you weren't here around that time, like me and most of us who know what we're talking about were) You have absolutely no idea of the history of the game and may god have mercy on your soul.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200592 is a reply to message #200591] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 16:54 |
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its just like patch is supposed to be an anti-infantry but turns out to be a anti sbh inf
im not saying that its compleatly fair, but its fair enough for me
when im in an orca or heli i do think that it should do less damage, but when being ramjet i sometimes wish it does more damage, but i never complain about it. i get some thing else and sneak up on them and send them to hell.
life isnt fair, and so arent most games
what im trying to say is ppl have their own oppinions and everyone looks at it differently.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200597 is a reply to message #196782] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 17:08 |
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an sbh......is infantry, what would be not fair if the patch is anti-infantry? anti-(insert infantry including sbh) see how it fits? Besides, a patch isn't "anti-sbh" it's just good in general against infantry because of its tiberium poisoning, this happens to fit with sbh because it's infantry... I know there are different opinions, but opinions *can* be wrong, or in some cases more wrong than alternative opinions. All I ask is some reasoning behind your opinion otherwise what does it mean to anybody?
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200626 is a reply to message #200592] |
Wed, 24 May 2006 03:51 |
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| ripred999 wrote on Wed, 24 May 2006 00:54 |
its just like patch is supposed to be an anti-infantry but turns out to be a anti sbh inf
im not saying that its compleatly fair, but its fair enough for me
when im in an orca or heli i do think that it should do less damage, but when being ramjet i sometimes wish it does more damage, but i never complain about it. i get some thing else and sneak up on them and send them to hell.
life isnt fair, and so arent most games
what im trying to say is ppl have their own oppinions and everyone looks at it differently.
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lol you own..
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200632 is a reply to message #200621] |
Wed, 24 May 2006 04:40 |
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| Alexraptor wrote on Wed, 24 May 2006 06:35 |
Aircraftkiller is an idiot.
That was totally uncalled for, you have no right to call me an newbie or an idiot for voicing my opinion. and i am far far far from a newbie. im as good as any other player, even better than some.
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No Aircraftkiller is not an idiot. I've played him before and he actually has skill unlike you (yes I have played you before aswell, and you're not very good). You can't even spell Nod right. Yes, you are a newbie.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200635 is a reply to message #196782] |
Wed, 24 May 2006 05:29 |
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Yeah well, effectively getting kills and score is what makes up if a player is doing something. You can't win a game and have little score. Generally, a person who has high score was shooting at buildings and vehicles and such otherwise he wouldn't have had that score. Anyways, about 50% of the time it comes down to *points* so when a guy had 3000 unanswered points, he's done pretty damn well for his team. There are people in renegade that have a hard time scoring over 500 in games and most any good player can do it in just a few minutes or less. Anyways, the most prominent feature a guy can have to be considered good would be how good he is in a tank. If a guy royally sucks in a tank, he generally is not useful.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200639 is a reply to message #200632] |
Wed, 24 May 2006 05:54 |
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1)GET BACK ON TOPIC
2)sniper de7 you want reasoning you got it!
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1)if you are killing infantry then yes its probably one of the best, if not the best.it has 4 shots per round unlike PIC has only one and takes a long time to reload, but if your goal is buildings PIC is better. compared to the volt auto in killing infantry the ramjet is better. now if your goal is to *KILL* heavily armored vehicles the volt auto is better. and yes since the ramjet gets lots of points for attacking heavily armored vehicles it gives the person using it an advantage so why wouldnt someone use something thats to their advantage? tell me.
2)helis and orcas. do you know how effective an orca rush would be on a map with no base defense, probably even with, if there was no ramjets? in a map with base defense the enemy base would be destroyed in 2 or 3 rushes.(maybe even 1 if the rush was really big.with out base defense one rush would be enough.
3)arties and mrls. also these kinds of rushes are extremely effective.lets take walls flying or just regular walls. 3 mrls with 1 engi park themselves on the left side of the mesa looking from the gdi base. they start firing at the ref. when the health of the ref goes up more than it goes down they start attacking the HON. a few seconds later "hand of nod destroyed".
then they fight off a tank or two and retreat. this is all assuming there is no ramjet. with ramjets in the game they wouldnt last enough to even switch to the HON. and if you dont believe that happened im not going to force you, but just to inform you i have almost destroyed the HON alone while one other person was attacking the ref.
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| Re: n00bjet-no [message #200641 is a reply to message #196782] |
Wed, 24 May 2006 06:09 |
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lol you use those infantry against buildings?
btw orca being overpowered doesn't justify a unit that's even more overpowered..
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