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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198636 is a reply to message #198626] |
Thu, 04 May 2006 02:39   |
MexPirate
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Wow, trooprm02 - thanks for your clever insights.
Sounds like EA won't f*ck this up quite as much as usual, ss's look pretty cool so far-everything will probably look completely different come the release date though.
but why oh why won't they just pick up Renegade 2 again - or better yet, bring Westwood back and let them do it properly.
However good this game is I will still hate EA.
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198639 is a reply to message #198615] |
Thu, 04 May 2006 06:41 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 03 May 2006 19:28 |
| Sniper_De7 wrote on Wed, 03 May 2006 09:14 |
No, I didn't realize. Since when does opinions turn into facts. Did something happen yesterday?
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LOL! If you disagree, and you like RTS more than ren:
1)stop playing ren because you just lag the servers 
2)go to ur RTS's forums if apperently you like it more, which some of you just stated you did....
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You do realize it IS possible to like more then one game/genre at the same time, right? And with these new advanced "computers", you can also have more then one game installed at the same time, and alternate play between them.
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Wow, seriously read that, and feel free to get your English teacher and/or parent to help.
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198656 is a reply to message #196893] |
Thu, 04 May 2006 11:26 |
MexPirate
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See I think even that would be OK, I am not aware of another decent FPS that works in the same way as Renegade - BF2 is great but I like the base system of ren.
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198680 is a reply to message #196893] |
Thu, 04 May 2006 16:12 |
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However, we also know that EA has no great love of games with fantastic stories, as they tend to not sell quite as well as the games with flashy multiplayer modes. Singleplayer games are more work to produce, whereas multiplayer games are cheaper and attract mass audiences of people looking for thrills. Throw in a well-known title like "Command and Conquer" and you have a recipe for thousands upon thousands of sales more than you would get otherwise.
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198709 is a reply to message #196893] |
Thu, 04 May 2006 21:20 |
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EA has plenty of FPS titles with no story at all. How much work went into the singleplayer aspect of any of the Battlefield games, eh? Best-selling series, despite the most recent installment being rife with bugs and exploits. Why? Huge amount of time devoted to the multiplayer aspect of the game, next to nothing for singleplayer.
You could say the same for Half-Life, really. Which do you think sold more copies of Half-Life 2, the beautifully crafted singleplayer experience...or Counter-Strike Source? Valve included a remake of that particular mod with their release for a very specific reason; it would attract a huge crowd of multiplay-only gamers to buy a game already famous for being one of the greatest FPS games of all time.
Why do people buy Halo? Sure, the story kicks ass- but the actual gameplay of the campaign is somewhat repetetive, and the physics are...well, crap. Halo 2 improved on the physics a bit (not much), but you know what made BOTH games best-sellers? Multiplayer mayhem. Split-screen buddy blasting in full 3D.
Look at it this way: the average gamer plays through the singleplayer campaign twice, maybe three times at the most (assuming that it has the standard Easy, Normal, and Hard settings). That's...what, 30 hours at the most for your average FPS campaign mode? Now look at multiplayer. A great many players will still be playing 2 hours or more per day FOR SEVERAL YEARS. It makes sense that multiplayer is what most publisher/developer matchups pay the most attention to. There are exceptions, of course (The Elder Scrolls series, for example), but the real money is in getting a whole bunch of human players together and letting them have at it.
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198736 is a reply to message #196893] |
Fri, 05 May 2006 05:46 |
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Technically yes this is a ren forum so = FPS, but it is not exclusively FPS as mentioned Ren has its roots in RTS and I think most people here also play RTS games.
Think it was more the fact you were trying to force your opinion as fact that got people backs up and why you got you the response you did.
I will go 1v1 AOW if you want, I am not the best player out there but looks like your e-penis could use an extra inch...
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198743 is a reply to message #198734] |
Fri, 05 May 2006 07:08 |
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And to whoever thinks I should be the one off renegade....PM me for 1vs1 aow or sniping and well see who needs to get off...
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Oh wow!! You're good at sniping in a game that represents the difficulty of being a sniper just as well as it represents the power on a nuclear bomb...enjoy your game of jumping around and clicking.
Your "fact" that FPS is better than RTS in laughable.
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198744 is a reply to message #196893] |
Fri, 05 May 2006 08:15 |
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I just love it. We're in the internet age, and folks STILL want to challenge each other to meet them on the field of honor at dawn. Say, why don'y you do it REAL old-school? Go out to the middle of the field, point your guns directly at each others' chests, and take one shot each. Whoever lives is the winner! [/sarcasm]
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198857 is a reply to message #198786] |
Sat, 06 May 2006 12:30 |
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| Kanezor wrote on Fri, 05 May 2006 16:46 |
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198874 is a reply to message #198872] |
Sat, 06 May 2006 17:40 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 06 May 2006 17:08 |
You know what else is funny...people who use the excuse that ren sniping has no recoil etc, are shitty at sniping!
Realted? of course...
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Excuse me while I laugh my ass off at your stupidity.
You do realise that Renegade isn't the only game out there, don't you? There are way more games that try to demonstrate how sniping really works, and Renegade isn't one of them. In no way does Renegade sucessfully demonstrate sniping. Get off your high horse.
WHATEVER, FAGGOT
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198886 is a reply to message #196893] |
Sat, 06 May 2006 21:56 |
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Earth to scope-junkie: snipers don't win games of Ren by themselves. Sniping is not, has never been, and will never be the definitive measure of "skill" in a combined-arms game. Where would your sniping get you if there wren't an engineer fixing the buildings back at base? Nowhere. What does a sniper do against heavy armor? Nothing, unless you count point-whoring as useful. How many buildings can a sniper take out on its own? None without buying a beacon, but anyone can do that.
And playing 1v1 in a team game is pointless. It defeats the purpose of the game, and thus means nothing. What does your single combat skill have to do with your ability to function as part of a team? Nothing.
I'll come right out and say it: I suck at duels. Lost every one I've ever played. Can't "snipe" for beans, either (and Ren ain't the only game that's true for). I still somehow get 2nd or 3rd place in almost every round I play, provided I played the whole round. What from? Fixing things, driving tanks, playing as anti-vehicle infantry, and so forth. On the flip side, I've seen plenty of little turds going around challenging people they don't like to duels, owning them upside-down and sideways, then getting royally reamed the moment they set foot in a real game of Ren. There's also plenty of people out there who kick ass at both (and others who can't do either). The two are mutually exclusive. One has no bearing on the other.
Not to mention that your skill in the game means jack shit about how valuable your opinion is to other members of the human race. If you're looking to impress people with your godlike skills of pointing and clicking, or your fantastic ability to focus on a single target, you're looking in the wrong forum. If you're expecting folks to stroke your ego just because you know how to handle a Deadeye, you've got another thing coming.
Now, back to the topic: Any "C&C" title produced by EA is going to suck, period. No Westwood, no deal.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #198941 is a reply to message #198886] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 15:08 |
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| NukeIt15 wrote on Sat, 06 May 2006 23:56 |
The two are mutually exclusive. One has no bearing on the other.
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Just FYI: "mutually exclusive" means you can have one but not the other, which is not true in this case. I think a better term in this place would be mutually inconsequential or something similar.
You are absolutely right though; 1vs1 in games such as Renegade prove nothing as far as teamplay.
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| Re: C&C 3 [message #199088 is a reply to message #196893] |
Tue, 09 May 2006 18:09 |
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According to an interview posted on IGN, Kane is alive (but where's Joe?), the Philadelphia gets nuked to radioactive scrap, and there's an as-of-yet-unnamed faction lurking in the shadows (gee, I wonder who they could possibly be?) waiting to strike.
Oh, and they've got no clue how Tiberium works.
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Technically Tiberium is a self-replicating crystalline substance of extraterrestrial origin that converts everything that it touches into more Tiberium. As it transmutes matter, Tiberium gives off powerful radiation - and this makes it very useful as an energy source and as a weapon.
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A review for the uninitiated: Tiberium is indeed a self-replicating crystalline substance of extraterrestrial origin. It does not transmute matter- it leeches minerals from the soil through its "roots" (hence its value, being easily harvestable and chock full of valuable goodies). It does not give off as much radiation as the quote above would suggest- it is "merely" extremely toxic and mutagenic. Mutagenic meaning it affects organisms, not matter in general. Tiberium is generally accepted to be something sent to Earth to convert our planet for the use of the extra-terrestrials who make appearances (through their crashed ships) in TS and Renegade. It has never been useful as a power source, though it has been used as a weapon. Blue tiberium, which is twice as valuable, twice as toxic, and extremely volatile, has a number of properties that the green stuff doesn't. There is also a form of tiberium, never seen in the games, which impedes travel by sea.
As far as weaponized forms of tiberium go, we have handheld and large-scale weapons. The handheld weapons include the chem-sprayer, seen both in TD and Renegade, as well as the TAR and Tiberium Flechette, also from Ren. The only large-scale tiberium-based weapon we have yet seen is the Nod chemical missile from TS. That, if you recall, did not use tiberium directly, but rather the tendrils of the veinhole, one of many mutated species that appeared some time after the end of TD.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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