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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194328 is a reply to message #194036] |
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Why do telemarketers assume we want to be called? If only 20% actually accept the sale, why bother with a "Do-Not-Call" list? How about a "Do-Call" list, and don't call anybody else. If people want to be called to learn about exciting offers about their long-distance phone carrier, let them sign up for it.
As for the nazi thing, would you like another comparison?
-Internment camps along the West coast during WWII
-Rape
-Mormon Missionaries
-PETA
The list goes on. The point is, if I wanted to know about whatever crap you're selling, I would call YOU.
Again, my point is DON'T CALL ME. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't call me.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194330 is a reply to message #194322] |
Wed, 29 March 2006 13:57 |
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| Dover wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 14:44 |
| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
Yeah, there is a shortage of available jobs.
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Utter and complete Bullshit.
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And how do you know if there is a job shortage where xptek lives? You have no proof to back up your point.
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| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
Two minutes of discomfort? How AWFUL!
Grow a fucking spine, say "Not interested," and get on with your day.
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It's not even the two minutes. It's more of the "Who the fuck are you and why are you calling my house without permission?"
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So everyone who calls your household needs permission first? How are they to get this permission? They obviously cannot call you to get permission first, can they?
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| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
You act as if I care about your time. =\
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...Which makes you a bad person. I'm sure Nazi's didn't care for the jews much either.
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Dude, you're comparing genocide to a minor inconvenince... Comparing it to something extreme does not make all telemarketers instantly pure evil.
I'm sure you don't care about xptek do you? By your logic, that means you're also a bad person.
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| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
And the whole 'compate telemarketers to Nazis': ...what?
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First example that came to mind, although I can provide others if you'd like.
| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
Our office average for sales is usually around 20% of calls, so some people do.
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By "usually around", do you mean "7-8%"?
Even at 20, that's pathetic. 4 out of every 5 people you call want to be left the hell alone. That's less than half of a majority.
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Again, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, how the hell would you know how many sales they make? You don't work for the same company do you? Therefore you have no access to their sales records.
You lose by default!
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194331 is a reply to message #194328] |
Wed, 29 March 2006 14:02 |
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| Dover wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:50 |
Why do telemarketers assume we want to be called? If only 20% actually accept the sale, why bother with a "Do-Not-Call" list? How about a "Do-Call" list, and don't call anybody else. If people want to be called to learn about exciting offers about their long-distance phone carrier, let them sign up for it.
As for the nazi thing, would you like another comparison?
-Internment camps along the West coast during WWII
-Rape
-Mormon Missionaries
-PETA
The list goes on. The point is, if I wanted to know about whatever crap you're selling, I would call YOU.
Again, my point is DON'T CALL ME. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't call me.
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Telemarkters don't assume you want to be called, they just call a list of numbers given to them. And a do-call list wouldn't work, as there is just as much chance of the people on it not being interested as a just a list of numbers. And not to mention they would get pestered all the time and be less likely to purchase whatever you're trying to sell them.
On a side note, you're coming across as an angsty it's cool to hate everything kid.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194341 is a reply to message #194323] |
Wed, 29 March 2006 14:41 |
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That entire paragraph was absolute nonsense. Rapists have a choice, the victem doesn't. Similarly, you, the telemarketer, can quit your job and stop bugging people. The people on the recieving end of the call have no choice. Even if we don't answer, we endure the endless ringing, and then you just call back later that day.
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My comparison makes perfect sense. I wasn't comparing anything to telemarketers in this paragraph, I was just saying that Nazi soldiers were innocent even though they were forced to kill millions. Nothing more; nothing less.
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Are you shitting me? Of course not. PETA sucks. And I never implied that the two were equivelants.
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I never said you did, but the president of PETA seems to think that killing animals is equivelant to the Holocaust, so I figured you gained your ammo from her.
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Do spam e-mails work? I doubt it, but people still do it because it's do damn cheap. The companies win because they get a measly "20 or so percent" of the people called, the callers win because they get their measly $14 an hour, but the call-reciever just gets pissed off.
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Some spam e-mails work, but it's not the legit corporations that spam.
The customers who buy into the product aren't pissed, are they? Also, anybody getting pissed over a phone call needs anger management.
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Oh, but there are ways around those. I have Tivo, and can skip commercials. I listen to internet radio--no commercials. I'm not FORCED to look at road billboards. They're just there if I happen to glance over. If I don't like it, I look away. I can't do that with telemarketers.
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Yes, you can. You just simply ignore the call. Don't pick up. Let the answering machine get it. If it's a telemarketer, they won't leave a message.
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You dumbass. Do you have any grasp of economics? If we were at 0% unemployment, do you know how much inflation there'd be? Your $14 an hour would be worthless. The target unemployment rate is between 4 and 6%, so I'd say there are enough jobs. More than enough, even.
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I have plenty of a grasp of economics. I was going for business management last year. 
I know what would happen with unemployment being 0%, but did I ever mention that figure (0%)? No, I said full employment is 4%. 5 percent is actually a fairly larger number than 4% (around 1.5 million people), so no, 5% is not a perfectly healthy unemployment rate. The target is 4%, not 4-6%. 2 percent is quite a big margin.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194348 is a reply to message #194036] |
Wed, 29 March 2006 15:30 |
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Why do telemarketers assume we want to be called? If only 20% actually accept the sale, why bother with a "Do-Not-Call" list? How about a "Do-Call" list, and don't call anybody else. If people want to be called to learn about exciting offers about their long-distance phone carrier, let them sign up for it.
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Do call list = less people to call = fewer sales.
Think about it.
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Utter and complete Bullshit.
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How'd you come to that conclusion?
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It's not even the two minutes. It's more of the "Who the fuck are you and why are you calling my house without permission?"
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Thanks for proving my point. Now if we can figure out how this compares to genocide.
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...Which makes you a bad person. I'm sure Nazi's didn't care for the jews much either.
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Can you show me the rubric you're using to get this "omg bad person!" label? Just wondering if I fall under any categories that make me "bad."
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By "usually around", do you mean "7-8%"?
Even at 20, that's pathetic. 4 out of every 5 people you call want to be left the hell alone. That's less than half of a majority.
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By "usually around," I mean "20%."
We generally get lists in the form of 10,000 people. Once you're done calling that, there's 2,000 sales at $50 each.
I'm not expecting you to grasp any of this, considering you're around 16 and posting from your school's connection, but when you get a job you'll realize other people's morality and convenience aren't things you consider.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194402 is a reply to message #194330] |
Wed, 29 March 2006 23:20 |
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| Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 |
And how do you know if there is a job shortage where xptek lives? You have no proof to back up your point.
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Unemployment rate is just under 4%, whereas the target unemployment rate is 4-6% to avoid inflation. If he lives anywhere in the United States, there are enough job.
And there are even more in Europe.
| Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 |
So everyone who calls your household needs permission first? How are they to get this permission? They obviously cannot call you to get permission first, can they?
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If they know me, they can ask me. If they don't know me, chance are I'd rather not talk to them. Easy system, eh?
| Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 |
Dude, you're comparing genocide to a minor inconvenince... Comparing it to something extreme does not make all telemarketers instantly pure evil.
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Why does everyone assume I mean telemarketers are equal to nazis? My point was that they both cause harm to others for their own convienance. Whatever form that may take, genocide or advertisement, it's WRONG.
| Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 |
I'm sure you don't care about xptek do you? By your logic, that means you're also a bad person.
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Of coure I care about xptek, as much as a person can care about text on the internet...
| Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 |
Again, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, how the hell would you know how many sales they make?
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He told me, although I could choose to not believe him...
| Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 |
You don't work for the same company do you? Therefore you have no access to their sales records.
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No, but he told me, and I'm sure he does.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194403 is a reply to message #194331] |
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| Mindtzar wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:02 |
Telemarkters don't assume you want to be called, they just call a list of numbers given to them. And a do-call list wouldn't work, as there is just as much chance of the people on it not being interested as a just a list of numbers. And not to mention they would get pestered all the time and be less likely to purchase whatever you're trying to sell them.
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Wait, so you mean people DON'T want to be called by strangers? Wow, you're right. I never thought of it that way.
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| Mindtzar wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:02 |
On a side note, you're coming across as an angsty it's cool to hate everything kid.
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Hate everything? No, a handful of things, telemarketers included. Let me tell you a story.
About a year and a half ago, I had my girlfriend over, and we were...eh..."getting intimate". That's when a telemarketer calls. The first time I ignore it, but he calls back in 5 minutes. He repeats this until I answer on the fourth call. I told him I wasn't interested, but he didn't take "No" for an answer. I ended up having to yank the phone line to get the fucker to stop calling. By then I was so pissed I wasn't in the mood for sex. My entire day ruined, thanks to one telemarketer and his $14/hr wage and BS hours.
How about you telemarketers find REAL jobs, eh? You know, jobs where you actually do WORK?
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194404 is a reply to message #194341] |
Wed, 29 March 2006 23:37 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 |
My comparison makes perfect sense. I wasn't comparing anything to telemarketers in this paragraph, I was just saying that Nazi soldiers were innocent even though they were forced to kill millions. Nothing more; nothing less.
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"Forced", doubtful. Soldiers were sent to fight WWII, the SS ran the camps. Are you going to sit here and defend the SS for me?
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I never said you did, but the president of PETA seems to think that killing animals is equivelant to the Holocaust, so I figured you gained your ammo from her.
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The president of PETA will also have us consider that animals have formed their own nations, and that we as humans have no right to intervene. I'm sure she also wrote a book on "How to introduce farm animals into your love life", but that doesn't make her right. Or sane.
| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 |
Some spam e-mails work, but it's not the legit corporations that spam.
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In all my days, I've never heard of anyone actually buying something from email, with the possible exception of porn.
| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 |
The customers who buy into the product aren't pissed, are they? Also, anybody getting pissed over a phone call needs anger management.
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Ugh, it if was one phone call, I'd understand, but these people make a living out of calling other people and talking about nonsense. What the fuck is that?!
| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 |
Yes, you can. You just simply ignore the call. Don't pick up. Let the answering machine get it. If it's a telemarketer, they won't leave a message.
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...And have them call back later in the day, or tomarrow...
| j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 |
I have plenty of a grasp of economics. I was going for business management last year.
I know what would happen with unemployment being 0%, but did I ever mention that figure (0%)? No, I said full employment is 4%. 5 percent is actually a fairly larger number than 4% (around 1.5 million people), so no, 5% is not a perfectly healthy unemployment rate. The target is 4%, not 4-6%. 2 percent is quite a big margin.
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2% is a big margin, but an economy isn't a scarecrow. It can take a bit of a beating. Anything above 6% is considered "High" unemployment, and anything below 4% is considered "low", therefore the target is between 4 and 6%.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194406 is a reply to message #194348] |
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| xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 |
Do call list = less people to call = fewer sales.
Think about it.
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I'm sure it does, but frankly, I don't give a shit about your sales.
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Utter and complete Bullshit.
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| xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 |
How'd you come to that conclusion?
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The national unemployment rate. How'd you come to the conclusion that there's a shortage?
| xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 |
Thanks for proving my point. Now if we can figure out how this compares to genocide.
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Nazis = caused harm to others for their own satisfaction
Telemarketers = cause harm to others (Via unwanted phonecalls) for their own satisfaction (Via $14/hr)
If you'll noticed, I never meantioned the word "Genocide".
| xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 |
Can you show me the rubric you're using to get this "omg bad person!" label? Just wondering if I fall under any categories that make me "bad."
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I don't have one pre-made, but I'll draw one up for you.
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Oprah
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| xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 |
By "usually around," I mean "20%."
We generally get lists in the form of 10,000 people. Once you're done calling that, there's 2,000 sales at $50 each.
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The fact remains that that's only 20%. That meanss 80% of the people you call that want to be left the hell alone.
| xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 |
I'm not expecting you to grasp any of this, considering you're around 16 and posting from your school's connection, but when you get a job you'll realize other people's morality and convenience aren't things you consider.
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I have a job. But then again, what do you care? You're a blowhard who assumes I don't.
And again, if you're only concerned with your paycheck for doing "work", then you'd be what's called "selfish", which puts you under the "Bad Person" catigory.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194407 is a reply to message #194036] |
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I fail to realize why everyone is making a big deal out of this. I don't like telemarketers. In fact I hate them with a passion. Are you telling me I'm not allowed to do that?
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194412 is a reply to message #194036] |
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There can be enough jobs generally but not enough jobs in the category you're applying for.
That being said, in the US there are many jobs but many people need more than one job to get around. Welcome to the dream of America!
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194421 is a reply to message #194036] |
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The fact remains that that's only 20%. That meanss 80% of the people you call that want to be left the hell alone.
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The fact remains it's a profitable practice that's not going away any time soon. Deal with it.
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The national unemployment rate. How'd you come to the conclusion that there's a shortage?
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Namely the lack of jobs in my area.
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Correction:
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Leonard J. Crabs
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Martin Kasakov
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| Dover wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 01:47 |
I fail to realize why everyone is making a big deal out of this. I don't like telemarketers. In fact I hate them with a passion. Are you telling me I'm not allowed to do that?
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No, it's the fact that you're lashing out at the people doing their jobs rather than the companies using the telemarketing firms' services. If you honestly want to do anything to stop telemarketing, write a letter/call the company using our services and tell them you're not buying their product because of the telephone solicitation they use.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194446 is a reply to message #194404] |
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"Forced", doubtful. Soldiers were sent to fight WWII, the SS ran the camps. Are you going to sit here and defend the SS for me?
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Do I look stupid enough to defend the SS? Did I not earlier call them the true enemy in WW2?
My point is, you're an idiot for comparing the two. I think that's been everybody's point.
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The president of PETA will also have us consider that animals have formed their own nations, and that we as humans have no right to intervene. I'm sure she also wrote a book on "How to introduce farm animals into your love life", but that doesn't make her right. Or sane.
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So we agree on something, however, that was not my point. I was just noticing a similiarity in your ideologies.
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In all my days, I've never heard of anyone actually buying something from email, with the possible exception of porn.
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You've also never heard of a 20% sales rate for telemarketing, so I'm going to go as far as guessing that you truly don't know any numbers concerning email advertisement. I almost bought a new harddrive off of a TigerDirect email that I received. I wanted to, but I couldn't afford it.
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Ugh, it if was one phone call, I'd understand, but these people make a living out of calling other people and talking about nonsense. What the fuck is that?!
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You don't have to answer the phone. Enough said.
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...And have them call back later in the day, or tomarrow...
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So you ignore them later in the day or the next. It's quite a simple idea.
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2% is a big margin, but an economy isn't a scarecrow. It can take a bit of a beating. Anything above 6% is considered "High" unemployment, and anything below 4% is considered "low", therefore the target is between 4 and 6%.
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The target percentage is about 4.3% unemployment. I never heard of this 4-6% bullshit. Maybe, at the most, unemployment can be at 5% and be considered healthy. Speaking of which...
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Unemployment rate is just under 4%
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Where the Hell did you get that number? The national unemployment rate is around 5%, not under 4%. There's no shortage of jobs. I have no clue where you're getting your numbers from...
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Bill Clinton and Maddox are "good" people? Heh... you are truly confused, aren't you? How is Oprah "bad"? I don't like her, but I certainly don't consider her a "bad" person.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194455 is a reply to message #194421] |
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| xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 01:57 |
The fact remains it's a profitable practice that's not going away any time soon. Deal with it.
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So is carjacking, but that doesn't make it okay. Since when does "Profitable" mean "Acceptable"?
| xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 01:57 |
Namely the lack of jobs in my area.
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Based on...your keen observation?
| xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 01:57 |
Correction:
Everyone
--Good people above here--
Leonard J. Crabs
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Martin Kasakov
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For having an opinion?
Heh, what do I care? I'm secure enough to not get all butt-hurt about some guy over the internet talking about what he thinks. I guess the same can't be said for you though.
| xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 01:57 |
No, it's the fact that you're lashing out at the people doing their jobs rather than the companies using the telemarketing firms' services. If you honestly want to do anything to stop telemarketing, write a letter/call the company using our services and tell them you're not buying their product because of the telephone solicitation they use.
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Companies are capitalists, and capitalists have no feelings. What do they care who they're discomforting? And don't the people who work for those companies still have some kind of moral obligation? Or are they washed clean from that using the excuse "I'm just doing my job"?
Even if I am lashing out, why are you getting all anal about it?
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194456 is a reply to message #194446] |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 |
Do I look stupid enough to defend the SS? Did I not earlier call them the true enemy in WW2?
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My point is, you're an idiot for comparing the two. I think that's been everybody's point.[/quote]
My comparison ends at their frame of mind, not at their actions. I think you're an idiot for taking it out of context.
| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 |
So we agree on something, however, that was not my point. I was just noticing a similiarity in your ideologies.
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Ideologies? My ideology is "Leave me the hell alone, I don't want your car insurance, I don't want your Book-O-Mormon, I don't want to buy cheaper
| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 |
You've also never heard of a 20% sales rate for telemarketing, so I'm going to go as far as guessing that you truly don't know any numbers concerning email advertisement. I almost bought a new harddrive off of a TigerDirect email that I received. I wanted to, but I couldn't afford it.
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| xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 |
Our office average for sales is usually around 20% of calls, so some people do.
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| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 |
You don't have to answer the phone. Enough said.
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If I don't, they keep calling back. And even if I don't answer, the ringing is interuption enough.
| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 |
So you ignore them later in the day or the next. It's quite a simple idea.
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I shouldn't have to, because they shouldn't be calling me in the first place.
| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 |
The target percentage is about 4.3% unemployment. I never heard of this 4-6% bullshit. Maybe, at the most, unemployment can be at 5% and be considered healthy. Speaking of which...
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Obviously we disagree here.
| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 |
Bill Clinton and Maddox are "good" people? Heh... you are truly confused, aren't you? How is Oprah "bad"? I don't like her, but I certainly don't consider her a "bad" person.
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I could go on into this big long explanation on why I consider some people above the line and others below the line, but I don't think you care, and I don't care to tell you. Suffice to say that it's based on my experiances and opinions.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194461 is a reply to message #194036] |
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I happen to like capitalism. I like the fact that people can make themselves successful and don't have to answer to anybody for it.
Telemarketing is... marketing. Marketing isn't always the most convenient for the consumers, but it gets the job done. Marketing is about one thing, and one thing only. It's to sell the product. You can't just sell the product and expect people to buy it just on chance alone. How do you get sales? You build it upon the quality of your product and the name of your product. How do you get your name out there to where it becomes trusted? You advertise. How do you advertise? TV and radio commercials, billboards, flyers, and telemarketing.
Business is economics. The whole point of business is to make a profit. You don't look for the nicest ways of making a buck, you look for the easiet, cheapest, and most effective. If something works, you do it. Telemarketing obviously works, so it's going to be used. Get over it. You are a consumer. Companies want your buisiness. They can't get your business if you don't know about them or their product.
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| Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone? [message #194474 is a reply to message #194036] |
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So is carjacking, but that doesn't make it okay. Since when does "Profitable" mean "Acceptable"?
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Sources indicate carjacking is indeed illegal. Telemarketing isn't.
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Companies are capitalists, and capitalists have no feelings. What do they care who they're discomforting? And don't the people who work for those companies still have some kind of moral obligation? Or are they washed clean from that using the excuse "I'm just doing my job"?
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If companies get enough complaints, they'll eventually look at it. They don't care about your feelings (neither do I!), but if enough people contact them telling them they won't buy from them because of their telemarketing, they may considering dropping it if they're losing money.
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Based on...your keen observation?
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Based on the lack of jobs.
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Even if I am lashing out, why are you getting all anal about it?
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I don't know, generally when you're slandering an entire group of people, there's at least one person that's going to have a problem with it.
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| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 10:35 |
I happen to like capitalism. I like the fact that people can make themselves successful and don't have to answer to anybody for it.
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That part's fine. It's the part where people who actually do work get paid chicken shit, while cushy office jobs get higher wages. Being an "administrator" and twiddling your thumbs gets you an even higher wage. Do you see the problem yet?
| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 10:35 |
Business is economics. The whole point of business is to make a profit. You don't look for the nicest ways of making a buck, you look for the easiet, cheapest, and most effective. If something works, you do it.
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The "easiest, cheapest, and most effective" would be subliminal messenging and brainwashing, but that happens to be illegal in most countries, because it's something called "immoral". Morality comes to play with business practices, and advertisement is no differant.
| j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 10:35 |
Telemarketing obviously works, so it's going to be used. Get over it. You are a consumer. Companies want your buisiness. They can't get your business if you don't know about them or their product.
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Perhaps they can tell me about their product in some way that doesn't interupt whatever it is I'm doing. On a billboard, let's say. The company owns that billboard. It can do whatever it wants on it. What right does this company have to bother me in the privacy of my own house?
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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