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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18932] |
Tue, 06 May 2003 02:24   |
spotelmo
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political and geographical differs from person to person?
it's not a question of which is the best icecream you moron!
kurds ARE iraqis! no semantics about it!
as for the catholic church, in my opinion it is one of the biggest jokes on this planet. they were wrong for the crusades just like muslims are wrong for their jihad. i assume you are not trying to justify the jihad. after all, everyone(even my children) know that just because one guy does it does not mean it's right for others to do it.
many people do still follow the pope though. especially in mexican and italian families.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #18944] |
Tue, 06 May 2003 05:36 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
I'm dropping the geography discussion as the difference between political and geographical varies from person to person.
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The differences between politics and geography doesn't vary between person to person. A dictionary definition is the same no matter who reads it.
Read the difinition that I quoted above, it states that nationality and political regions (governments) are part of Geography.
(Oh, are you sure you're not dropping the geography and politics thing because you don't know anything about either? Because it sure seems like that.)
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #19060] |
Tue, 06 May 2003 14:24 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
wow...ok...you are so mature. omg...I cant handle it...I mean...you act like a 40 year old. because you spend all your time fighting with an 18 year old that's in his high school at this very minute.
Did it ever occur to you that perhaps my dictionary defines geography different...or perhaps just that I'm more about nature and Geography lasts forever, where as politics will rot away or change at least. To tell the truth, both are correct.
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What dictionary are you using? The "I don't know what I'm talking about so I'll just make crap up as I go" Dictionary?
Shall I pull the definition from every online dictionary that I can of "Geography"?
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #19506] |
Thu, 08 May 2003 18:26 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
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I'm one of your "tree huggers" and guess what. I know the war isn't about oil. He didn't do anything to his own people...the Kurds aren't his people...that's like saying Hitler was killing his own people when he killed the Jewish people in Europe
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You fucking idiot.
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oh wow...you proved me wrong...I guess I should back down now. :rolleyes:
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You were proved wrong before the middle of the FIRST page. You should have backed down before the second time you were proved wrong, and before the third, forth, fifth, etc.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #19538] |
Thu, 08 May 2003 22:53 |
spotelmo
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duke, it is ok to admit when you're wrong. everyone else here already knows it.
admission is the first step to recovery. start that journey now and someday you will come out of that dark place called ignorance.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #19568] |
Fri, 09 May 2003 05:03 |
KIRBY098
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| Duke of Nukes |
you people can think whatever you want. Honestly...the only reason I come here is out of pure boredom and your ignorance keeps me intertained. I'm relaying your messages to some of my friends around the globe (Scotland, Austrailia, Venezuela, Pennsylvania, ect.) and they're all laughing...some of them my age...some of them are in their 30's. You have yet to prove me absolutly wrong...you still have only proven my wrong from the American viewpoint...learn to think out of your own little box...move to a third world country and learn the politics and then I'll listen to you
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We've already been through this, simpleton.
I have far more multicultural experience than you, been to far more countries than you, and yet you discount everything I state here. Who is the close minded jackass? I have been there, done that, and got the T-shirt.
I think you just like to argue, right or wrong.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #19653] |
Fri, 09 May 2003 14:44 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
you people can think whatever you want. Honestly...the only reason I come here is out of pure boredom and your ignorance keeps me intertained. I'm relaying your messages to some of my friends around the globe (Scotland, Austrailia, Venezuela, Pennsylvania, ect.) and they're all laughing...some of them my age...some of them are in their 30's. You have yet to prove me absolutly wrong...you still have only proven my wrong from the American viewpoint...learn to think out of your own little box...move to a third world country and learn the politics and then I'll listen to you
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You actually have friends? Now that's a BIG surprise.
You were proved absolutely wrong in the first page. This entire discussion is 'Rather or not Kurds, which were born and are living in Iraq are Iraqi citizens'. You havn't even come close to proving yourself right in the slightest. Everything you tried to use to support your end of the discussion are either completely irrelevant, or missrepresented on your part. Most of the stuff you presented actually helped our side and hurt yours.
Rather or not someone is a citizen of a country has nothing to do with their religion, race, or ancestors, or rather or not some government leaders don't like you. You are a citizen of a country if you were born there, have been living there, etc.
This is NOT an American Viewpoint you ignorant little child. You fail to see or use the facts. This is basic Geography, what you should have been learning in early Middle School instead of sleeping.
Now why don't you send your little friends the ENTIRE THREAD without editing ours or your replies and see who they are laughing at.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #20141] |
Mon, 12 May 2003 22:24 |
spotelmo
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Actually I found some of his arguements were massively undervalued by the opposition. Because geography doesn't rule the world. Yet I have to agree they were living in Iraq and he has responsibility over them. Yet the kurds had practically had their own state up there. And you see they can't really be called citizens of the Iraq government. They way he treated them they can't really be called citizens either. He made them Iraq's dead weight and something that had to be suppressed. So really he de-citizened them and made them dead to the rights of the Sunni populations. Like during the American civil war, could you call the Confederate troops Americans? There was no ammendment to the constitiution removing them during the war. Yet they couldn't really be called Americans.
As I said above basically they we non-citizens living in Iraq deographically.
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they were still considered iraqi citizens as saddam exercised his control over them whenever possible. also, the international community did not and has not recognized a kurdish state(if they did, turkey would invade immediately)
as for the civil war, in the south they were considered citizens of the confederate states of america, in the north they were considered citizens of the united states of america. since the war was decided in favor of the north, they were always considered citizens of the united states of america and "criminals"
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #20198] |
Tue, 13 May 2003 08:53 |
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Duke of Nukes
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I have far more multicultural experience than you, been to far more countries than you, and yet you discount everything I state here.
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Now there's a fucking laugh. I spent 6 years living among the people of Venezuela and Indonesia. I have taken countless trips to countries that I cant even remember the name. I've seen things that you can only dream about. I've seen things that you probably have nightmares about. just in Venezuela, I got so used to hearing shotguns going off in the night that I learned to sleep through it. You spent your life living on military bases and such. I spent mine among the people, walking with them and learning how to fit in, learning their language and their way of life.
at 14 I knew more about the way things are in 3rd world countries than you will probably ever know
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I dont care what you say to me no more
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #20221] |
Tue, 13 May 2003 10:55 |
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K9Trooper
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| KIRBY098 |
I have far more multicultural experience than you, been to far more countries than you, and yet you discount everything I state here.
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Now there's a fucking laugh. I spent 6 years living among the people of Venezuela and Indonesia. I have taken countless trips to countries that I cant even remember the name. I've seen things that you can only dream about. I've seen things that you probably have nightmares about. just in Venezuela, I got so used to hearing shotguns going off in the night that I learned to sleep through it. You spent your life living on military bases and such. I spent mine among the people, walking with them and learning how to fit in, learning their language and their way of life.
at 14 I knew more about the way things are in 3rd world countries than you will probably ever know
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Kirby and I are war veterans. We've seen worse things than you could imagine. Also shotguns going off in the night! I'm a firefighter/EMT-Paramedic in one of the top 15 violent cities in the country(USA). I've SEEN more bloodshed and violence than ANY of you EVER will. So don't act like you are the expert in the field of violence and life. Wait till your squad gets called to a murder scene, only to SEE the victim was a good friend of yours.
Duke you will NEVER have experience's like that, and I would never wish them upon you. Go back to your sheltered life, in the safety of your mothers arms. You are not ready for the real world.
R.I.P. TreyD. You will be missed, but not forgotten.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #20223] |
Tue, 13 May 2003 11:10 |
KIRBY098
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| KIRBY098 |
I have far more multicultural experience than you, been to far more countries than you, and yet you discount everything I state here.
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Now there's a fucking laugh. I spent 6 years living among the people of Venezuela and Indonesia. I have taken countless trips to countries that I cant even remember the name. I've seen things that you can only dream about. I've seen things that you probably have nightmares about. just in Venezuela, I got so used to hearing shotguns going off in the night that I learned to sleep through it. You spent your life living on military bases and such. I spent mine among the people, walking with them and learning how to fit in, learning their language and their way of life.
at 14 I knew more about the way things are in 3rd world countries than you will probably ever know
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Dickhead, you can't remember the names, because you haven't ever been there.
If you were half as well travelled as you say you are, then you would have a measure of experience that I don't see when you post. You have this romantic, distorted, bullshit view of what the world is really like.
16 countries Duke. I can name them all. Being shot at in some of them really makes it stick in your mind. You don't forget where you saw "Yankee Die" painted on the sidewalk.
How many languages do you speak? I speak three, mostly learned from being the countries I went to. I was forward eployed on a carrier. No base, just me, and a buddy on liberty drinking it up with locals, and running from Turkish police for a false accusation from a local who hates Americans.
Grow up kid. You don't even approach our caliber of being.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #20358] |
Tue, 13 May 2003 22:12 |
spotelmo
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well, i've never traveled outside of the united states and i've seen very little death or destruction.
i'd like to thank those who have served in the military(including my father, 20year airforce vet) for making the world safe enough for me to have not travelled or fought in a war. i'm safe at home with my family because of our military and because americans have the balls to do what's right.
THANK YOU!
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #20436] |
Wed, 14 May 2003 08:36 |
KIRBY098
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| Duke of Nukes |
you're right, I haven't seen any of my friends shot dead. but dont sit there and act like I've had a sheltered life. By the time I was 10 I had knives pulled on me regularly and people shouting at me in a language I didn't know. I got in fights with kids twice me age where if I lost, who knows what would have happened. Me and my friends were practically chased out of Venezuela because of Chavez's actions to take over Venezuela and extablish and anti-america platform (which little is being done to prevent right now).
Violence or not, I grew up in 3rd world countries. I am friends with several people that are still living in Venezuela and get treated like shit because they look somewhat american. I dont remember the countries because I was 10 when I moved away from Indonesia, and I spent alot of time in more than 14 countries
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Sure kid. Whatever.
If you can't even remember what countries they were, why should we take it for granted that these things happened as you say?
You are not a seasoned traveler because you tagged along with daddy. And I am friends with a lot of people worldwide, but I don't trust everything they say, or feel. That's part pf the experience I'm talking about. You don't have it, because you still have this happy little image that friends couldn't possibly be distorting the image of "persecution" they are giving you.
Oh, and by the way.......No one cares about Venezuela. It doesn't relate to any current major struggles in the world, so stop bringing it up. No one cares, but Venezuelans.
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| US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #21009] |
Sat, 17 May 2003 05:44 |
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| Duke of Nukes |
and any american with half a brain. Can you say 20% of americas oil production? Can you say president is friends with Fidel Castro and wants to kill Americans? Are you really that fucking ignorant that you think we should wait untill a country has the ability to kill us before you do something about it. The people have been rioting because they want their dictator out of power, a dictator who could pose a threat to the US in the future and you say we shouldn't care? I hope to God you dont have children because you must have no hope for their future.
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You go from "This war and president is wrong/stupid" to "Let's kill their leader before they even present a real threat". No we shouldn't care right now, why? Because just like you said, they don't pose a threat to us, but they could possibly pose a threat in the future.
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