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I'm curious, what brand motherboard do you have? I heard and in fact found out myself Asus is making really shitty motherboards these days. I have got 2 fried Asus motherboards that do the exact same thing yours does, *nothing*.
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| Re: Computer trouble [message #184975 is a reply to message #184757] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 10:14 |
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Clear the CMOS. Turn off the power supply and unplug it, then there should be a little two-pinned jumper sitting on a set of three pins(somewhere on the mobo). Move the jumper so it is sitting on one of the pins it wasn't before, but still on two pins. Leave it for 15s, move it back, plug in and turn on the power supply. It should post fine then.
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| Re: Computer trouble [message #184992 is a reply to message #184757] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 14:46 |
mision08
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Bummer, I would let you borrow my spare MOBO, CPU, and RAM if I made the daily commute to Houston. Hell, last year I went from N.Dallas to S.Houston, I-45@ Almeda RD. 4 to 6 times a week. I know every inch of I-45, and a few inches of Hwy75.
Howdy Comrade,
Why did you flash the BIOS? What MOBO, chipset, RAM, video card are you working with? What did you do to fix the fan? Is the RAM set to a 1:1 ratio in the BIOS DRAM configuration?
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| Re: Computer trouble [message #185015 is a reply to message #184952] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 19:52 |
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| Scythar wrote on Fri, 06 January 2006 18:32 |
| icedog90 wrote on Fri, 06 January 2006 15:56 |
| Scythar wrote on Fri, 06 January 2006 12:25 |
| icedog90 wrote on Fri, 06 January 2006 14:53 |
Dual channel isn't a certain type of memory, it's two sticks of DDR that are both exactly the same and are being effectively doubled in bandwidth from the RAM to the CPU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_channel
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Actually, the bandwidth is only doubled between the RAM and memory controller. There's still only one frontside bus (between CPU and chipset), which is exactly why dual channel doesn't bring such a huge performance increase in AMD chips than Intel, since AMD doesn't have as fast FSB and it creates a bottleneck. Intel's fast 800 Mhz(= 2x DDR400 speed) is great for dual channel arcitechture.
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I knew someone would jump in and attempt to correct me because I said "bandwidth". I was talking about the bits, not the actual bandwidth. Utilizing two 64-bit channels, it results in a total bandwidth of 128 bits for moving from the RAM to the CPU.
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There isn't a straight databus between RAM and CPU, it all goes through the chipset.
The problem is that the FSB(CPU<->chipset) is only 64-bit, so the uber1337 2x64-bit dual channel memory(Chipset<->RAM) bus can't fit through the FSB, causing a bottleneck, and nowhere near 2x transfer rates.
This is becoming obsolete info when 128-bit FSB is becoming more common or there's some other new tech stuff involved, but anyone with Athlon XP-family CPU, for example, will not benefit all that much from dual channel.
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Now you're going into another topic...
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| Re: Computer trouble [message #185020 is a reply to message #184992] |
Sat, 07 January 2006 21:59 |
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| mision08 wrote on Sat, 07 January 2006 16:46 |
Bummer, I would let you borrow my spare MOBO, CPU, and RAM if I made the daily commute to Houston. Hell, last year I went from N.Dallas to S.Houston, I-45@ Almeda RD. 4 to 6 times a week. I know every inch of I-45, and a few inches of Hwy75.
Howdy Comrade,
Why did you flash the BIOS? What MOBO, chipset, RAM, video card are you working with? What did you do to fix the fan? Is the RAM set to a 1:1 ratio in the BIOS DRAM configuration?
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It's an ATi X800XT (AGP). I nscrewed the entire heatsink, cleaned it a bit, gave it a run in one of our other six computers and it was working again, if it ever occurs again I'll just buy another heatsink for it.
It's Kingston value RAM (one of them has Samsung memory while the other one has Kingston memory, I bought both sticks at the same place last year), it does the job and I can overclock my CPU without any problems. As for the motherboard it's an Asus K8N-E Deluxe, a socket 754 motherboard to be exact, my RAM has always been clocked to 400MHz before, but now it's downclocked to 333MHz, but when I remove a stick and leave one in (no matter which one it is) it's clocked to 400MHz again. I checked all the DIMMs. I flashed the BIOS because there was a new version out.
The RAM is indeed set to a 1:1 ratio.
FUCK
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| Re: Computer trouble [message #185043 is a reply to message #185015] |
Sun, 08 January 2006 04:29 |
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| icedog90 wrote on Sat, 07 January 2006 21:52 |
| Scythar wrote on Fri, 06 January 2006 18:32 |
| icedog90 wrote on Fri, 06 January 2006 15:56 |
| Scythar wrote on Fri, 06 January 2006 12:25 |
| icedog90 wrote on Fri, 06 January 2006 14:53 |
Dual channel isn't a certain type of memory, it's two sticks of DDR that are both exactly the same and are being effectively doubled in bandwidth from the RAM to the CPU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_channel
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Actually, the bandwidth is only doubled between the RAM and memory controller. There's still only one frontside bus (between CPU and chipset), which is exactly why dual channel doesn't bring such a huge performance increase in AMD chips than Intel, since AMD doesn't have as fast FSB and it creates a bottleneck. Intel's fast 800 Mhz(= 2x DDR400 speed) is great for dual channel arcitechture.
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I knew someone would jump in and attempt to correct me because I said "bandwidth". I was talking about the bits, not the actual bandwidth. Utilizing two 64-bit channels, it results in a total bandwidth of 128 bits for moving from the RAM to the CPU.
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There isn't a straight databus between RAM and CPU, it all goes through the chipset.
The problem is that the FSB(CPU<->chipset) is only 64-bit, so the uber1337 2x64-bit dual channel memory(Chipset<->RAM) bus can't fit through the FSB, causing a bottleneck, and nowhere near 2x transfer rates.
This is becoming obsolete info when 128-bit FSB is becoming more common or there's some other new tech stuff involved, but anyone with Athlon XP-family CPU, for example, will not benefit all that much from dual channel.
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Now you're going into another topic...
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No I'm not  I just made it clear that dual channel architecture doesn't automatically double the bits to 128 between RAM and CPU, just RAM and memory contrtoller, as I've said about three times now 
Whether there's actually a FSB fast enough to take advantage of that, shouldn't be taken for granted. (Ahtlon XP)
But hey, we're hijacking this...
There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly.
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| Re: Computer trouble [message #185066 is a reply to message #184757] |
Sun, 08 January 2006 13:55 |
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Can you not read?
He cannot boot, PERIOD. Nothing at all comes up. Is that hard to understand?
Anyway...
Have you tried a different PSU? That seems to be the most likely culprit; that, or something shorted out, and completely fucked up.
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| Re: Computer trouble [message #185069 is a reply to message #184757] |
Sun, 08 January 2006 15:31 |
mision08
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He has an extended warranty and is content to let the manufacturer deal with it. Although, I think he should get another extension to his warranty courteous of the manufacturer.
Comrade, you broke rule number one of BIOS flashing. BIOS updates are usually for known issues like voltage setting that kill RAM modules, or maybe an issue with underclocking RAM. There is an element of risk involved, AWDFLASH.EXE is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Yes, I know the first thing to do when installing a new MOBO is update the BIOS. That is a desire of the manufacturer to have the MOBO on the shelf ASAP. Hell, BIOS flahing is most likely the product of a marketing circle jerk, not research and development at all. Anyway, im not saying you did the wrong thing, just that you should have a better reason for doing it. If you find a BIOS that works well with the memory sticks, you should probably stay with it.
The heatsink screws to the PCB on the ATI X800XT? Did you clean the mating surface with acetone, and apply a tiny bit of thermal paste before reseating it?
Is that Kingston value with Samsung TCCD memory? A BIOS usually favors RAM due to the chip it uses.
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| Re: Computer trouble [message #185097 is a reply to message #185094] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 08:27 |
mision08
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Yes, and I would know exactly what new settings are added, and what hardware is being updated. If you don't have a dual processor, no need in getting a BIOS that fixes issues for that hardware.
True Greatness, and just a good human
The best finish, closest finish in the 50 year history of Winston Cup
Freddy Krueger music video
Harvester Of Sorrow, language of the mad
Johnny Cash & Bob Dylan A Thousand Miles Behind
Your own personal Jesus, someone to hear your prayers
Kyle's mom is a bitch
Johnny Cash Live @ San Quentin
Don't Y'all Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?
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