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			| RA:APB Site Move [message #183884] | Tue, 27 December 2005 22:11  |  
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	| Our site is now located on a n00bstories server. Should be faster, safer, and with less flashy ads at the top of each page, and more hosting for whatever we release so you'll always have a download link that works. 
 Let me know if you run into any trouble, beyond simple broken links I didn't fix yet.
 
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184029 is a reply to message #183884] | Thu, 29 December 2005 11:04   |  
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	| Play nice now. All the other junk is in the Hot issues forum now. 
 
 
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184031 is a reply to message #183884] | Thu, 29 December 2005 11:16   |  
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	| I did some things to make it more Firefox friendly. Opera and IE and NetSuck worked fine before, now FireFox shouldn't have as many layout issues trying to understand that 0 means 0 and silly things like that. |  
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184063 is a reply to message #183884] | Thu, 29 December 2005 16:35   |  
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	| Most of the errors are the result of earlier errors confusing the validator. I'm sorry for not closing every tag I open when it's not needed and using Javascript in a few places if it offends you and makes your browser cry to itself. 
 Differences between how browsers deal with numbers is a little irritating, I'll fix the overflow maybe tonight after I eat something. Like, maybe in eight hours.
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184067 is a reply to message #184063] | Thu, 29 December 2005 17:11   |  
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	| | Chronojam wrote on Fri, 30 December 2005 12:35 |  | Most of the errors are the result of earlier errors confusing the validator. I'm sorry for not closing every tag I open when it's not needed and using Javascript in a few places if it offends you and makes your browser cry to itself.
 
 Differences between how browsers deal with numbers is a little irritating, I'll fix the overflow maybe tonight after I eat something. Like, maybe in eight hours.
 
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 It doesn't offend me, I just don't bother with sites that don't display correctly.
 
 It's things like having no doctype and invalid declarations that is probably making your site display incorrectly. If you don't want to fix it thats your business, I just thought you might like a bit of advice....
 
 
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184085 is a reply to message #184067] | Thu, 29 December 2005 20:01   |  
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	| | light wrote on Thu, 29 December 2005 18:11 |  | 
 | Chronojam wrote on Fri, 30 December 2005 12:35 |  | Most of the errors are the result of earlier errors confusing the validator. I'm sorry for not closing every tag I open when it's not needed and using Javascript in a few places if it offends you and makes your browser cry to itself.
 
 Differences between how browsers deal with numbers is a little irritating, I'll fix the overflow maybe tonight after I eat something. Like, maybe in eight hours.
 
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 It doesn't offend me, I just don't bother with sites that don't display correctly.
 
 It's things like having no doctype and invalid declarations that is probably making your site display incorrectly. If you don't want to fix it thats your business, I just thought you might like a bit of advice....
 
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 I started coding html when I was 11 and I could have done a better job even then.
 
 To make this post a little constructive I'll say this.  Get over your ego and follow some standards.
 
 
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184097 is a reply to message #183884] | Thu, 29 December 2005 21:40   |  
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	| Hurrr I started when I was nine before Fagifox came along to cry about borders =B Come on, when you were 11, was CSS and PHP and MySQL even around? Then again I don't know how old you are. You could believeably still be 12. 
 Seriously though, saying "I started at 11 and could have done better" sounds a lot like an inflated ego to me, or maybe you just take things too seriously.
 
 
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 Look familiar? That's what your sig looks like. Don't you know the FUDcode standards? I started forums when I was 11 and could have done better!
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184110 is a reply to message #183884] | Thu, 29 December 2005 23:37   |  
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	| I'd say that the following behind Firefox would be pretty...fanatic. Needless to say, if I were a webmaster, I would not berate people for their choice of browser. 
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184174 is a reply to message #184097] | Fri, 30 December 2005 14:58   |  
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	| | Chronojam wrote on Thu, 29 December 2005 22:40 |  | Hurrr I started when I was nine before Fagifox came along to cry about borders =B Come on, when you were 11, was CSS and PHP and MySQL even around? Then again I don't know how old you are. You could believeably still be 12.
 
 Seriously though, saying "I started at 11 and could have done better" sounds a lot like an inflated ego to me, or maybe you just take things too seriously.
 
 
 Choose your future: <a href=' http://www.renforums.com/ignore.php?mode=add&username=Ai rcraftkiller&topic=14681'>Heaven</a> or <a href=' http://www.renforums.com/ignore.php?mode=delete&ignore_i d=17'>Hell</a>
 Look familiar? That's what your sig looks like. Don't you know the FUDcode standards? I started forums when I was 11 and could have done better!
   
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 That would be the code used on the old boards.  I actually do decent coding so I'm busy with clients who like my work...  I'm lucky to get enough time to visit this site once a day.
 
 
 BTW, if your coding followed any standards you wouldn't have to worry about firefox not being complient.  You don't care about your users that use a different internet browser.  Thats sad...
 
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184218 is a reply to message #184169] | Fri, 30 December 2005 19:31   |  
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	| | icedog90 wrote on Fri, 30 December 2005 15:55 |  | Saying that IE SP2 is better than Firefox is like worshiping Satan.
 
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184235 is a reply to message #184159] | Fri, 30 December 2005 21:05   |  
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	| | Aircraftkiller wrote on Sat, 31 December 2005 08:51 |  | At least IE SP2, Avant, and Opera aren't as bug riddled and full of exploits like Firefox is.
 
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 Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Highly critical
 
 Currently, 21 out of 91 Secunia advisories, are marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.
 
 Firefox
 
 Mozilla Firefox 1.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Less critical
 
 Currently, 3 out of 26 Secunia advisories, are marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.
 
 Opera
 
 Opera 8.x with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by one or more Secunia advisories rated Not critical
 
 Currently, 1 out of 13 Secunia advisories, are marked as "Unpatched" in the Secunia database.
 
 Based on that, IE is totally riddled with holes, with FF comeing in second and Opera 3rd.
 
 
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			| Re: RA:APB Site Move [message #184254 is a reply to message #183884] | Sat, 31 December 2005 02:54  |  
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	| *yawn* Not another shift to a browser war thread. Keep the thread about improving/fixing up the APB website or I'll lock it. 
 *cough* Or maybe not.
 
 And since when was Firefox more exploit-ridden than IE? The more popular a browser is, the more problems that are bound to be found. Thing is, seems like the team behind Firefox is much more prompt in addressing problems than M$.
 
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