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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183209 is a reply to message #183198] |
Thu, 22 December 2005 19:05   |
genetix
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 22 December 2005 19:10 |
They've been claiming for quite a while now that they'll have a release soon, by early next year. They're nowhere near a release at all. You bought into it like a fool since you wouldn't dare question them on it at all, but you'll question the people that show you the truth of the matter. 
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Did you not read my post? Quite a few people from what I've heard don't care about the deadlines. I don't even pay attention to deadlines because I know they will rarely be met.
I know that shit happens in life and you can't always meet deadlines. Plus the fact that none of the Reborn members from what I can remember have claimed to be professionals with tons of experience making modifications like this. You can't expect anyone to be perfect.
The problem with you AK is that your not very thankful for what you got or what others do.
Puzzle - Petals Around the Rose
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183216 is a reply to message #183210] |
Thu, 22 December 2005 20:46 |
genetix
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 22 December 2005 20:11 |
So what if you don't care about deadlines? Others do, and they believe them. For that Reborn needs to be punished, lying like that is simply not acceptable. If you're enough of a moron to accept something like that, at least be happy that I'm trying to look out for you in this instance.
I don't expect perfection, I expect the truth from someone. If you tell your community that you're 80% done, then tell them you'll be releasing within a month or two... You damn well better have the proof to back it up. No one can question my team because every update we've made on content patches has shown we've gotten work done and ready for it.
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You did this just to piss off reborn. You weren't doing this for the community. How are you punishing them? Releasing their modification while their still working on it?
Grow up.
If you really wanted to "spread the truth" then a few screen shots from ingame would have been plenty. You released the internal alpha just to be an asshole.
Puzzle - Petals Around the Rose
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183226 is a reply to message #183220] |
Thu, 22 December 2005 21:53 |
genetix
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 22 December 2005 22:25 |
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You did this just to piss off reborn. You weren't doing this for the community. How are you punishing them? Releasing their modification while their still working on it?
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I'm just going to assume that you're an idiot here, since you haven't read what I've written. So in a last attempt I'll try to make you understand what everyone else, even the other idiots here, have understood:
Reborn has lied about their progress. In order to punish them, showing the public that they've been lying the entire time is justice in my eyes. People who download the internal alpha see for themselves that they've been exp0sed as liars.
Now, either you seem to believe lying is okay (since I haven't seen you once denounce their actions) or you just don't care, and are being an asshole like you've accused me of already. Which is it?
You can show everyone how to grow up by not being such a fool.
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I read your post. It would only help if you read mine....
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If you really wanted to "spread the truth" then a few screen shots from ingame would have been plenty. You released the internal alpha just to be an asshole.
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There is a line between spreading the truth to the public and doing harm to a group. You purposefully tried to destroy their reputation as much as you could and be an asshole. You weren't trying to punish them. And if you were just trying to "punish" them, who gives you the right? Thats like my kid kicking a pop machine because it stole his money and you running up and spanking him.
Puzzle - Petals Around the Rose
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183227 is a reply to message #183101] |
Thu, 22 December 2005 21:54 |
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| Renx wrote on Thu, 22 December 2005 00:54 |
That's wrong. You would need specific permission from Nintendo to use the material. For example they could let you make the mod and use the characters from the game, but not allow you to use the correct Nintendo specific names. The bottom line is the creator of the game the mod is being made on will be potentially making money off of Nintendo's ideas and material. Simply giving credit just doesn't cut it in the modding world anymore.
I'm not sure if this actually applies here, I just felt that I should correct that.
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Hm, I thought I addressed that here:
| Hydra wrote on Thu, 22 December 2005 00:28 |
...Nintendo doesn't have a problem with you creating a mod based off its copyrighted intellectual material for a competing company's game engine....
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I probably could have worded that better, but I'm pretty sure I addressed what you said.
Anyways...
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I mention EA in my copyright, the copyright cover our code, models, textures. Check my wbesite, bottom of page, use online translator, my copyright doesn't mean dick.
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The english translation of your "copyright":
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Count: 6497
Type: OTHER
First name: Renaud
Name: Sury
City: Waterloo
Country: Belgium
Joint author: ****
Seul_autor: not
Titrate: CnC Reborn
Description: It acts of a modification of Command & Conquer Renegade, play deposited at EA (MT). CnC Reborn comprises models and universe based on the play rts, Tiberian Sun.
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Nowhere do you list specifically what is or even can be copyrighted in your pathetic excuse for a mod nor do you differentiate between what is yours and what is EA's.
You also fail to mention how you're not copyrighting something based off someone else's work.
Would any court of any country even consider this a serious legal document?
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183231 is a reply to message #182772] |
Thu, 22 December 2005 22:02 |
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As long as... Nintendo doesn't have a problem with you creating a mod based off its copyrighted intellectual material for a competing company's game engine... you wouldn't be violating anything.
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I think that should clear it up.
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I sent the files of the mod as deposit for the copyright. Read the website you will understand how it works.
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What is the largest size file that can be registered with your service?
The maximum limit is 10 megs. You may also submit 5 sections of 2 megs. each, etc. The total may not exceed 10 megs. Use compression software like "Winzip" if you need to compress a larger file.
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With a 10 meg limit, there is no way you submitted the whole mod, and I doubt you differentiated between files and concepts originally owned by EA.
There's almost no way you aren't bullshitting us.
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183247 is a reply to message #183210] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 02:10 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 22 December 2005 20:11 |
So what if you don't care about deadlines? Others do, and they believe them.
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So, we have people like me who would rather have a deadline be missed and have the product be good (obviously the old Reborn sucked @ that, but the new Reborn is under new leadership, so until they release a public beta, shut your piehole) and then we have people like Aircraftkiller who would rather have it be released "on time" and have the product be crappy. Take a look at EA. They release crap at their deadlines all the time. But actually, Aircraftkiller, you wouldn't believe that. You actually like Battlefield 2.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 22 December 2005 23:25 |
Reborn has lied about their progress. In order to punish them, showing the public that they've been lying the entire time is justice in my eyes. People who download the internal alpha see for themselves that they've been exp0sed as liars.
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I fail to see that they've been "exposed as liars". I've played the public beta that was released a long time ago. I know how crappy that one is. Then the new management came around, and yet still little was done. Now Sloth is on their team, and I've seen a lot of improvements in a relatively short amount of time. I'm not an active beta tester of Reborn, but from what I have tested I have seen a lot of improvements in the last couple of months. For a group of people that are working on this in their spare time outside of school and work, I'd say that's a remarkable improvement. While I don't know if they'll be able to make any deadlines (nor, in fact, do I even know of the deadlines, having not frequented the Reborn site looking for deadlines), I'm confident that they are making progress, whether or not it's timely.
As for exposure and justice... it's more apparent to me that Aircraftkiller is an asshole than anything else. I say a leak (which is unethical and illegal: no matter how you look at the laws, it is illegal to distribute something somewhere without the owner's permission) deserves more "justice" than lying (which is not illegal, I might add). While I disagree that taking down the RenAlert site and then consequently moving it to somwhere else is the proper justice, I don't think that it's sufficient justice.
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I hope this topic ends now. It's been discussed enough already. We know what's happened.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183252 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 03:34 |
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So you suppose that because it's not in the alpha test that it hasn't been done? Way to go...
Maybe they wanted to test some specific stuff and left some other stuff out? Oh wait, that doesn't fit in the "Reborn lies to all and everyone"-conspiracy theory...
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183254 is a reply to message #183253] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 03:55 |
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not to get into the fray, im not trying to. but i would like to point out a technical fact, from a development standpoint.
What i remember from renegade, the presets system, and adding new/different stuff is fairly complex. So while completely possible vehicle X is done, and rigged, and tested ingame by person A, its completely possible that the one person tasked with adding presets to keep uniformity has, as of yet, not had the chance to get it merged into their presets.
Again, this is all purely hypothetical, i am just merely providing an example of where the above may in fact, be possible.
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183264 is a reply to message #183254] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 06:31 |
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| DreamWraith wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 05:55 |
not to get into the fray, im not trying to. but i would like to point out a technical fact, from a development standpoint.
What i remember from renegade, the presets system, and adding new/different stuff is fairly complex. So while completely possible vehicle X is done, and rigged, and tested ingame by person A, its completely possible that the one person tasked with adding presets to keep uniformity has, as of yet, not had the chance to get it merged into their presets.
Again, this is all purely hypothetical, i am just merely providing an example of where the above may in fact, be possible.
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it is hard and it takes time to get all of it set up hence the no beta yet
| Moee wrote on Wed, 31 May 2006 00:10 |
U 2 bumb as a pot
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183302 is a reply to message #183284] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 09:57 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 09:29 |
But NeoSaber can do all of that, including custom scripts work that jonwil refuses to do, all by himself. What's your excuse now?
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Yet you tell me I'm not reading your posts... Like I already said. People have lives! This is done in their free time. STFU and stop being an asshole. You have like 3 people agreeing with you here and thats it.
You had no right to release the modification without the owner's permission. Who gives a fuck if you think they "lied."
Puzzle - Petals Around the Rose
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| Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183303 is a reply to message #182772] |
Fri, 23 December 2005 10:03 |
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So in three years, they couldn't find the time in their "busy lives" to rig and compile all their shit and get a working beta out?
If they can't find the time to produce and release anything, why the hell work on a mod in the first place? They set this project up knowing full well (or should have known; nothing, not even the obvious, is certain with Reborn) that it would severely cut into their personal time.
Can't meet a deadline? Fine! DON'T SET ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! DON'T MAKE PROMISES TO THE PUBLIC YOU CAN'T KEEP!!!!
Buttfucker.
I'll be sure to hit you on the head with a tack hammer the next time I write something sarcastic. Just to make it obvious enough for you.
Wait, that must be the Tourettes.
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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