| Need to bring this to BHS's attention [message #180917] |
Wed, 30 November 2005 16:16  |
flyingfox
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Could I direct you over to http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=18091 6&rid=127#msg_180916 on page three and my reply..
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IF your name is on the ignore file for a server, the SERVER will say you are using renguard REGARDLESS of whether you are or not.
Hence, you could be NOT using renguard, USING cheats, with your name on the ignore list for the server, and STILL have the server report that you are using renguard...BECAUSE you are on the ignore list.
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From the discussion that went on in that topic, and then the long demonstration caveman made, this seems to be the case. If so I thought I should point this out - it means that anyone can circumvent the system and fool everyone into thinking they're running renguard, when they aren't -- the server owner has just put them on the ignore list. And how many people would really be bothered going to the IRC server and using !rglocate after the server telling them the player is using RG?
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| Re: Need to bring this to BHS's attention [message #180933 is a reply to message #180917] |
Wed, 30 November 2005 21:33  |
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The ignore list is there for players whom are on the same network as the server while both are behind NAT -- if such an occurance happens, the player would not be considered as running RenGuard even though they are, because they would connect to the gameserver using a different IP than RenGuard sees them on. If the gameserver administrators abuse this file, that is their perrogative, really.
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| Re: Need to bring this to BHS's attention [message #180979 is a reply to message #180917] |
Thu, 01 December 2005 11:35 |
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If you own the server you can do what ever you damn well please on it. If you want to "fool" RG then so be it. You wont have anyone to play with on your server but you have every right.
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| Re: Need to bring this to BHS's attention [message #181051 is a reply to message #180979] |
Thu, 01 December 2005 17:55 |
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| luv2pb wrote on Thu, 01 December 2005 13:35 |
If you own the server you can do what ever you damn well please on it. If you want to "fool" RG then so be it. You wont have anyone to play with on your server but you have every right.
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Since when do they get a right to make it that everyone has to use RG except themselves and even go beyond that and cheat if they so pleased; especially one that isn't so obvious. It's one thing if you say that you're going to cheat and you say it; it's another to endorse RG and then stab everyone in the back by not using it. Just because you own a server doesn't give you the right to be a jackass about things. (yes, i know technically you can be a jackass; but it doesn't make it any more right, does it?)
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| Re: Need to bring this to BHS's attention [message #181087 is a reply to message #180917] |
Fri, 02 December 2005 02:24 |
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Well, one thing is sure: it's bad for RG's reputation... Imagine someone is clearly cheating (a server owner) and you do !rg xxx and it says he has RG...
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Need to bring this to BHS's attention [message #181147 is a reply to message #181087] |
Fri, 02 December 2005 13:46 |
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| Goztow wrote on Fri, 02 December 2005 22:24 |
Well, one thing is sure: it's bad for RG's reputation... Imagine someone is clearly cheating (a server owner) and you do !rg xxx and it says he has RG...
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Really, RenGuard's reputation is already in the black, in my opinion. 1.04 will change that, however.
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| Re: Need to bring this to BHS's attention [message #181285 is a reply to message #181088] |
Sat, 03 December 2005 17:03 |
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| light wrote on Fri, 02 December 2005 09:31 |
| Goztow wrote on Fri, 02 December 2005 22:24 |
Well, one thing is sure: it's bad for RG's reputation... Imagine someone is clearly cheating (a server owner) and you do !rg xxx and it says he has RG...
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Thats can happen anyway, RG isn't 100%.
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You'd know this how?
www.myspace.com/midas
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| Re: Need to bring this to BHS's attention [message #181289 is a reply to message #181285] |
Sat, 03 December 2005 17:34 |
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light
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| DJM wrote on Sun, 04 December 2005 13:03 |
| light wrote on Fri, 02 December 2005 09:31 |
| Goztow wrote on Fri, 02 December 2005 22:24 |
Well, one thing is sure: it's bad for RG's reputation... Imagine someone is clearly cheating (a server owner) and you do !rg xxx and it says he has RG...
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Thats can happen anyway, RG isn't 100%.
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You'd know this how?
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I'll start by directing you to this: http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=18007&a mp;a mp;start=0&rid=4039 (I haven't tried it, but it is the latest in a series of holes that RenGuard has had to be patched for.)
Then I will point out that NO anti-cheat system is 100% effective, it's just pure fact, RG is no exception.
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| Re: Need to bring this to BHS's attention [message #181517 is a reply to message #181289] |
Tue, 06 December 2005 09:09 |
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Dave Mason
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| light wrote on Sun, 04 December 2005 00:34 |
| DJM wrote on Sun, 04 December 2005 13:03 |
| light wrote on Fri, 02 December 2005 09:31 |
| Goztow wrote on Fri, 02 December 2005 22:24 |
Well, one thing is sure: it's bad for RG's reputation... Imagine someone is clearly cheating (a server owner) and you do !rg xxx and it says he has RG...
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Thats can happen anyway, RG isn't 100%.
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You'd know this how?
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I'll start by directing you to this: http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=18007&a mp;a mp;a mp;start=0&rid=4039 (I haven't tried it, but it is the latest in a series of holes that RenGuard has had to be patched for.)
Then I will point out that NO anti-cheat system is 100% effective, it's just pure fact, RG is no exception.
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Fair enough.
www.myspace.com/midas
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| Re: Need to bring this to BHS's attention [message #182647 is a reply to message #180917] |
Sun, 18 December 2005 18:53 |
flyingfox
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Let me say this again, this was not intended to discuss whether or not there should be an ignore list...it was just to point out that when joe bloggs is on the ignore list, the SERVER will report that joe bloggs is using renguard, even if he isn't.
So don't remove the ignore list; instead, reprogram the SSC code to tell the player whether or not they're using it, followed by something like "but does not require it"...well that's what I would do.
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