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| Renegade is dead [message #178803] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 12:35  |
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Well i dont know if everyone will agree with me but i talked to hundreds of people and they all said the same thing.
"RENEGADE IS DEAD". why you ask? first thiers about 15 server most of which are empty. we went from thousands of users to less then 300.
I guess after they temporary shutdown ren everyone just didnt bother to come back or even check where to get the patch thing.
has renegade finally come to the end?
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178825 is a reply to message #178803] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 15:06  |
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| ghost wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 14:35 |
Well i dont know if everyone will agree with me but i talked to hundreds of people and they all said the same thing.
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You really talked to "hundreds" of people? That must have taken quite a while. Too bad you are all wrong 
| ghost wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 14:35 |
"RENEGADE IS DEAD". why you ask? first thiers about 15 server most of which are empty. we went from thousands of users to less then 300.
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Umm, the users havn't quit renegade, WOL HAS BEEN BROKEN FOR OVER A WEEK. The reason there arent any servers or players on WOL is because WOL has been having problems. There are currently more servers and players on XWIS from the people that are in the known enough to know about XWIS and used the tool to put their server and game clients there.
| ghost wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 14:35 |
I guess after they temporary shutdown ren everyone just didnt bother to come back or even check where to get the patch thing.
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The problem wasn't temporary, it's still a problem, but you are right many people don't know about XWIS or where to get the xwis tool.
| ghost wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 14:35 |
has renegade finally come to the end?
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Definitely not. Very, very, very soon, EA is pointing the DNS entry for the WOL servers to XWIS. This means that everyone will automagically connect to the the XWIS servers instead of WOL, and all the players will again be in the same place.
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178826 is a reply to message #178803] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 15:08 |
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Just something to add, Don't know if it's been mentioned.
But If my Buddy is playing or whoever In the buddy list, You folow him in the server and U try to join by folowing. It says Password invalid, I restarted Ren various of times, so is this a XWIS problem?
Also All my pings in the list apear 999, ingame it is fine.. it used to be green can it be turned to green again 
Edit: does EA work at weekends?
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178834 is a reply to message #178826] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 15:14 |
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| JPNOD wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 16:08 |
But If my Buddy is playing or whoever In the buddy list, You folow him in the server and U try to join by folowing. It says Password invalid, I restarted Ren various of times, so is this a XWIS problem?
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I would imagine; I have this problem as well.
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178839 is a reply to message #178803] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 15:28 |
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I never really cared when someone said renegade was dead because it wasn't. It never will really but...this is certainly another step down the stairs.
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178841 is a reply to message #178803] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 15:43 |
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I've never seen any other online game that has so many people saying "This game is dead". Have you? When is the last game you saw that had so few players, besides GSA's online chess? Hell, even that beats Renegade right now... A free game you get to play when you download GameSpy Arcade.
Crimson and Blazer are good people; however I think their optimism is misplaced. I've been watching the game since 1998, and been in its community since Febuary of 2001. I've been around quite a long time and have seen many people say "This or that will be good" with Renegade. There's only been a few really instrumental things to happen with the game:
All patches, including the Glacier Flying addition; marking the first time that Westwood Studios has ever allowed fan-made content to be included with a game patch... By this I mean Glacier Flying.
RenGuard. No, I don't mean BHS. This isn't meant to be offensive toward BHS members, but there hasn't been very much BHS itself has done beyond RenGuard. BHS is just a name for a few people that have always worked together anyway. I just see BHS as a redundant term.
Steve Tall's FDS functionality implementation. I remember Blazer and Crimson working with him to get the first IRC to Renegade FDS functions online. Without him this game would have died a very long time ago.
Some functions of Jonwil's modified WS scripts.dll file. I say this because simply copying WS work and calling it his own, then adding functions that work with existing engine code doesn't exactly fall under my definition of "self made work". He just made a jury-rig to the game's awfully limited engine. I commend him for this but I do not commend him for calling scripts.dll his own, or attempting to force others to release their source code because he thinks anything can be made open source... Including corporate copyright.
None of these things really gave the game that much life. By the time RenGuard came out, it was already at the level of about 50 to 100 servers. Now I hear it's around 15. Even with RG out, certain morons refuse to accept you as legitimate because they don't know how the game works.
Try out other games. The kind of fringe element that keeps people (for some reason) hooked onto a game that is outclassed by many others is just odd to me. If you enjoy it, that's fine. I'm not stopping you from playing it and neither is anyone else who talks about how horrible the game is now. It was fun while it lasted.
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178859 is a reply to message #178841] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 18:20 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 17:43 |
None of these things really gave the game that much life. By the time RenGuard came out, it was already at the level of about 50 to 100 servers. Now I hear it's around 15.
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It's around 15 because WOL has been broken for over a week now. You cannot even join the 15 servers that are there. This will be taken care of this weekend with the WOL->XWIS transition.
It sounds to me like you are saying that 50 to 100 servers is a small amount...think back man...we have never had so many Renegade servers as we do now. Remember when the server list was one page long, and people werent using server names like a0000000000 to be at the top of the list? We actually have way way too many Renegade servers, the 100 server owners should consolidate to perhaps 25 quality servers (talking about WOL/XWIS servers).
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 17:43 |
Try out other games.
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We (speaking for myself anyhow) do try other games. I currently have installed on my PC: Renegade, Counter-Strike:Source, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 2, The Matrix Online, and Civilization 4.
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 17:43 |
The kind of fringe element that keeps people (for some reason) hooked onto a game that is outclassed by many others is just odd to me. If you enjoy it, that's fine. I'm not stopping you from playing it and neither is anyone else who talks about how horrible the game is now. It was fun while it lasted.
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I guess it's what is referred to as a "cult classic". Yes pretty much any game made today, including probably some flash and java games, have better graphics and whatnot than C&C:Renegade. But they just don't have the rock solid gameplay and re-playability that Renegade has. People play Renegade because it's fun, and challenging, and is everytime they play it.
If you havn't noticed, people still play Red Alert and other C&C games too, but you aren't strongly urging them to "move on". You seem to have this disgruntled attitude, or whatever it is that made you turn from being practically a C&C:Renegade celebrity into the person who suddenly started saying that Renegade "sucks"...which is fine I guess, even though I don't understand what turned you...the only thing I don't get a warm feeling about is how you strongly urge "everyone" to stop playing Renegade just because you don't like it anymore.
I'm not bashing your opinion, I accept it no matter if I understand it or not, but I hope you actually read what I have said, and try to understand yourself why "we" like to play Renegade, despite the many flaws one could point out in the engine, graphics, etc. It's more than that to us. We dont judge it everytime we load it up, and say hmmm these graphics suck...we just play the game and enjoy it, and that keeps us coming back for more.
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178860 is a reply to message #178841] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 18:23 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 17:43 |
Try out other games. The kind of fringe element that keeps people (for some reason) hooked onto a game that is outclassed by many others is just odd to me. If you enjoy it, that's fine. I'm not stopping you from playing it and neither is anyone else who talks about how horrible the game is now. It was fun while it lasted.
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I've tried other games. Warcraft III/TFT sucks. It's so very cartoony in a way that makes it impossible to easily see things. I haven't played World of Warcraft, but I have seen plenty of screenshots. It is absolutely the same way, only worse. Come on, being cartoony was cool in 1990 when computers couldn't display excellent graphics at realtime speeds. But that effect was already wearing off by the time Brood War entered the scene.
Half-Life 2 and associated mods suck. Counter-Strike just simply sucks. There's nothing like waiting up to 10 minutes all because you went gung-ho and got raped by a bunch of campers. Then when you don't get owned by campers, but instead kill five or six people on a rampage, you get banned by a server admin for cheating. What the fuck? Day of Defeat is fun... but again, it just doesn't fill that niche that Renegade has. Not only does it not have destroyable bases, but it simple does NOT have vehicles. And Dystopia... that's pretty much just another first person shooter with your average infantry classes and such, no vehicles, and generally being unfun.
I tried Battlefield 2. There's nothing like pumping two clips into them and not seeing your results while they mow down your friendlies, turn on you, and kill you in one or two shots. I'm not saying that doesn't happen on Renegade... it does. But it doesn't happen in Renegade very often, maybe once every few games. But in Battlefield 2, it happens every other time I try to engage someone. Not to mention the fact that Battlefield 2 has rampant spawn killing, team killing, and general bullshitting. The three biggest Renegade has to deal with are n00bs (every game has those), cheats (any popular game has those), and being underplayed. Also, Battlefield 2 simply doesn't have that niche that Renegade has. Does BF2 have bases that can be destroyed? No. Do you get rewarded for doing well in a game and punished for sucking? Only by your rank. In Renegade, if you want something... get it. If you can't, then it's either your fault for not defending well or bad timing for joining a game that's already progressing.
I think everyone here can agree that Generals sucks. I haven't played Zero Hour for more than 10 minutes because I don't need to: it brings Generals' suckage up another notch.
At least Valve's and Blizzard's games are being patched on a regular (if infrequent, for the older games) basis. Well, I can't speak for all of Valve's games because I rarely ever open up Steam simply because that's another level of pure suck that I just won't mention... but it does seem that when I try to launch a game that I haven't played in months, there's an update that it downloads for me. I do play StarCraft fairly often, and that's been patched several times in the last few months, and so has Blizzard's other popular games. I can't say the same for EA's games -- they've all but completely dropped the Command & Conquer series. I haven't seen a patch out for Battlefield 1942 in quite a while, and that's still popular (in fact, even more popular than Renegade). EA rather has a reputation of making a new game only to stop actively supporting the game within a year. At least they're letting the C&C community somewhat support itself. Without XWIS, the C&C community would have died during the past 2-week-long++ WOL outage. Without BHS, Renegade would have died months (if not years) ago.
Aircraftkiller, I don't mean this in a personal way; but you can take your offensive attitude toward C&C Renegade and fuck yourself. There's still no game quite like Renegade, and until there is, shut the fuck up. It might be an old game with antiquated features, but its playability is unmatched and the community's self-serving support is simply awesome. Not to mention that the storyline is my personal favorite.
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178861 is a reply to message #178803] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 18:27 |
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i think renegade is so fun becouse, you can buy almost any unit.. the graphics are acceptible... he is right renegade isnt like anyother game except of course *cough* operation flashpoint*cough* did i say that out loud?
edit: i typed that wrong..
"he is right it just isnt as good as anyother game except of course "
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178862 is a reply to message #178807] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 18:45 |
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| Crimson wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 15:16 |
If everything goes right today will be the day. 
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Care to elaborate on that, is the re-direction of the DNS going ahead imminently now the that NAT issues have been resolved ?
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178866 is a reply to message #178841] |
Fri, 11 November 2005 19:22 |
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Aircraftkiller isnt saying to just stop playing, hes expressing his feelings about Renegade. How would you feel if you were him, and you went on Renegade seeing "0mfg teh liek kil me." I dont know why I like Renegade so much, but I have moved to many other games. I havent played Renegade for 2 weeks now because of many n00bs and XWIS. 
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 11 November 2005 13:43 |
Try out other games. The kind of fringe element that keeps people (for some reason) hooked onto a game that is outclassed by many others is just odd to me. If you enjoy it, that's fine. I'm not stopping you from playing it and neither is anyone else who talks about how horrible the game is now. It was fun while it lasted.
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| Re: Renegade is dead [message #178910 is a reply to message #178803] |
Sat, 12 November 2005 05:18 |
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From what I can see, the transition's been done, seeing as a new "Message of the day" has been posted up, plus the number of servers online has been pushed up to its normal amount again. RenGuard was showing roughly 60-90 players logged into its database a couple of days ago, but now it's back to 200-300 and still growing from what I've seen.
I like Renegade for prettymuch the same reason as anybody else, which is the gameplay. Many would complain about the n00bs you get, but honestly, you find just as many good people who you can work and be friends with. I also like how teamplay isn't a must, you can sometimes work by yourself, even though teamplay is always the easiest way to get things done, and the most rewarding part anyway.
I've been playing Renegade since February 2002, and still don't intend to stop anytime soon.
I guess Aircraftkiller's like for the game dissipated after RenAlert actually became good at the .993 release, which I could understand since the mod was in a few ways better than the game it was built off. The only thing I didn't like was the bugs like weird rendering of the windows on buildings, magnetic fences and so on. The mod was still heaps of fun, but it just didn't have the replayability of Renegade to me, I eventually stopped playing it and moved back to playing Renegade only.
Renegade's lasted for say almost 3 years, here's for another 3 strong ones of good gaming, mods and fun to come. 
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