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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174184 is a reply to message #173743] |
Sun, 09 October 2005 16:06   |
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Additionally, online games that include user-generated content (e.g., chat, maps, skins) carry the notice "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" to warn consumers that content created by players of the game has not been rated by the ESRB.
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Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood and/or infrequent use of strong language.
http://www.esrb.org/esrbratings_guide.asp
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174187 is a reply to message #173743] |
Sun, 09 October 2005 17:01 |
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I think this is a good step for the c&c community, i went on Red Alert 2 yesterday and it was good, infact it felt more like it did when Westwood was running it, you could chat in the server again  .
For those of you that dont know, you wont have to use that XWIS connection tool, the tool was annoying and i could never get Tiberian Dawn and Ra1 to work over WCHAT with it. But now its different, all you do is login to WOL through Ra2 like you were doing so to get on WOL, but instead when you successfully login you are greeted with a new MOTD and people chatting in chat. This is what im guessing will happen to all c&cs when you log in.
I think XWIS/striketeam will do a good job at running things and i hope that they will be able to run and support each c&c and game that EA and they said they would, also i hope the ladders, tournament, battleclan systems do come back too. And it will be good to ban cheaters permanently.
Though i would like to see Renegade jointly managed by both XWIS/Striketeam and BHS. BHS as we know, have been supporting Renegade for a long time now and are dedicated to Renegade.
Though i think this is EA's way of sweeping c&c out the door, i wish the striketeam all the best in running WOL, and i hope an agreement can be made between striketeam and BHS.
About the FDS serials not being needed, i spose thats good, now people wont be always asking for them and no one will have to go and ask that guy who stole them all (cant rememeber his name). I bet he probably wishes he had taken your offer now Crimson .
About getting banned from swearing: I dont really swear much myself, i dont mind if other people do, but not excessivily. From experience and knowledge from when westwood was running things, swearing in the chat lobbies got you a ban or kick, depending how bad it was. Minor swear words like 'shit' got you kicked out or ban from that channel only, same as spamming, but words like 'Fuck' got you a ban for 24 hours from WOL, maybe even more, back in Tiberian sun, i remember this because my brother would play under my name and would say it, then i got banned i got really annoyed at him.
Though people do complain about swearing, it should be noted that this is an M15+ game (australian rating, mature audiences 15 years and over)
thats all i have to say now, i gotta run to my lecture, i wish striketeam all the best in running WOL, and i hope an agreement can be made between striketeam and BHS.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174208 is a reply to message #174200] |
Mon, 10 October 2005 00:42 |
Weirdo
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| Doitle wrote on Mon, 10 October 2005 00:47 |
T Shirts for Sale! My Kids need Bandwidth! T Shirts that say "I made the whole community mad and all I got were 50,000 randomly generated strings"
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ROFL
Size doesn't matter.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174210 is a reply to message #174191] |
Mon, 10 October 2005 01:03 |
spotelmo
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well, here's the last i'll post on this subject for several reasons.
#1 i'm obviously dealing with at least 1 idiot who couldn't read or understand anything even if his life depended on it.
#2 i really don't give a rat's ass if some idiot children incorrectly assume it's their constitutional right to say anything they want where they want even though there is no such right.
#3 i rarely even look at this board anymore.
#4 did i mention i'm dealing with idiots?
anyway, this is from the terms of service posted at
http://www.eagames.com/redesign/editorial.jsp?src=termsofser vice#
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2. ONLINE CONTENT.
By "Content," we mean the software, communications, images, sounds, and all the material and information you see on our Service. EA, our Members, our affiliates, and our independent content providers provide most of the Content on EA Online. EA does not pre-screen all Content. You bear the entire risk of the completeness, accuracy or usefulness of Content found on EA Online.
Strong vulgar language, crude or explicit sexual references, discussions of illegal drugs, and hate speech are always inappropriate Content for EA Online. Content standards may vary depending on where you are on EA Online, the type of game you are playing and the expectations of the community. Some game play and chat rooms may involve use of stronger language than others, including mild expletives. Always use your best judgment in online conduct. If you would not say something in a room full of people you have never met, or in the workplace, don't post it on our message boards or chat.
EA Online representatives may monitor your communications on EA Online. But we cannot monitor all of the Content on EA Online, and we do not attempt to do so. Some of the areas on EA Online allow you to filter the chat you see. You can use this feature to reduce your exposure to words you do not wish to see. Reading the game help documents or asking our EA Online staff members or other players in the game is a great way to learn how to use these tools. If you encounter something you don't want to see, you can report it to the game support or complaint e-mail address for the area in which the incident occurred. EA does not endorse, approve, or prescreen any Content that you or other users communicate on the Service. EA does not assume any responsibility or liability for Content that is generated by Members or other guests on EA Online. We reserve the right to remove Content that is objectionable to us for any reason. This determination is in our sole discretion, and is final. EA does not assume any liability for any failure to remove, or any delay in removing, Content.
If we removed Content that you created, we may send you a warning. If it's a serious offense or you've violated our rules before, we may ban you from participating on EA Online and terminate your Account.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174230 is a reply to message #173743] |
Mon, 10 October 2005 10:22 |
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Content standards may vary depending on where you are on EA Online, the type of game you are playing and the expectations of the community. Some game play and chat rooms may involve use of stronger language than others, including mild expletives
(Thanks for helping the argument)
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174251 is a reply to message #173743] |
Mon, 10 October 2005 17:27 |
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As much as I hate to say this. I doubt any one in EA will do anything just because someone says something bad and leave/quitbuying/etc.
I know these sort of people from experience...Ill give a good example.
Star War Galaxies, an MMORPG made by Sony Online Entertainment and licensed and owned by Lucas Arts, has had a very bad history.
#1: Tech support and customer support lies, laughs, and openly admits they are not wanting to help you. All they say is wait for response, one that comes 5 months later, literrally.
#2: Laggy, glitchy, and horrible problems occure with many graphic, program, and other information. Sony refuses to fix these problems, some which have been in game since the Alpha two or three years ago. Instead they give new buggy items to distract you.
When they made a HORRIBLE engine upgrade and changes, every single proffesion was screwed over, the game wouldnt barely run, and THOUSANDS left. THOUSANDS signed petitions against SOE.
SOE's CEO signed up on the forum and made a statement that "We know things are bad, we are trying to make them better! We are for the fans and have not givin up, we are making the game better!"
Sound familure?
I can name of several companies that do the above. Including EA with other games as well as C&C.
My point: I really think they are trying to get Command and Conquer out of their hair, community and all, regardless of what it takes to quietly do it. I really doubt anything people say like "I will quit buying your games" will cause them to hand WOL over to you people rather than XWIS.
I WOULD LOVE for it to be done, but knowing how the people are in the corporations of this industry...I really doubt it.
Good luck trying however.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174273 is a reply to message #174223] |
Tue, 11 October 2005 00:14 |
spotelmo
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| Javaxcx wrote on Mon, 10 October 2005 09:36 |
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 10 October 2005 05:31 |
I don't see what EA Online has to do with Renegade.
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Me either. 
Nice try Spot.
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i just couldn't resist the temptation to respond. but then, it's better than working.
ea online is the same as westwood online (since it runs it and westwood no longer exists. they don't publish terms of service for "westwood online" anymore.)
but all that aside, i was referring mostly to the rts games like ra2 when i was talking about cussing and that it isn't allowed.
when you are in the chat lobby for those games talking bullshit, if you cuss you get kicked(or you did when ea and westwood were in charge). when you are in a game playing with someone you can cuss if you like and ea can't do anything about it(except apply the swear filter if you chose)
now, as for renegade, when you are in the chat lobbies, they have the power and the right to monitor the cussing and kick or ban you if they like. when you are in a server playing a game, it is the server owner and administrators who decide if you are allowed to cuss. that is their right and some servers even have automatic bots that do the kicking for them when you cuss.
this is what you agreed to when you clicked "i agree" upon installing the game.
as for the "online content may change" that is basic legalize put on most(if not all) games that can be played online. this is because the online aspects are constantly changing. patches can be applied to servers, servers can go down, game companies can stop supporting servers mods and scripts can be applied server side, fan maps can change things from the original content etc. a prime example would be when ea turned off chat in red alert2. they gave up because they couldn't stop the script kiddies and didn't want to keep paying people to monitor and support the online portion of the game. therefore, the online experience changed... you could no longer chat in the lobbies.
they do this as a warning to the consumers and as protection against idiots(like you people) who can't understand basic concepts and can't get over the fact that they have no freedom of speech in the private sector and that just because they spent $50 on a game (less than you would on dinner and a movie if you useless morons could get a girlfriend) that doesn't mean that the company has to spend the rest of your useless lives making sure the game runs as well as it did the day you bought it.
ok, now i hope i'm done responding to idiots. if you still can't grasp the meaning of "online content may change" and "you're not allowed to cuss in our game", then you really are as stupid and useless as i suspect you are and all i can do is hope that you never reproduce.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174275 is a reply to message #174273] |
Tue, 11 October 2005 03:30 |
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| spotelmo wrote on Tue, 11 October 2005 03:14 |
| Javaxcx wrote on Mon, 10 October 2005 09:36 |
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 10 October 2005 05:31 |
I don't see what EA Online has to do with Renegade.
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Me either.
Nice try Spot.
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i just couldn't resist the temptation to respond. but then, it's better than working.
ea online is the same as westwood online (since it runs it and westwood no longer exists. they don't publish terms of service for "westwood online" anymore.)
but all that aside, i was referring mostly to the rts games like ra2 when i was talking about cussing and that it isn't allowed.
when you are in the chat lobby for those games talking bullshit, if you cuss you get kicked(or you did when ea and westwood were in charge). when you are in a game playing with someone you can cuss if you like and ea can't do anything about it(except apply the swear filter if you chose)
now, as for renegade, when you are in the chat lobbies, they have the power and the right to monitor the cussing and kick or ban you if they like. when you are in a server playing a game, it is the server owner and administrators who decide if you are allowed to cuss. that is their right and some servers even have automatic bots that do the kicking for them when you cuss.
this is what you agreed to when you clicked "i agree" upon installing the game.
as for the "online content may change" that is basic legalize put on most(if not all) games that can be played online. this is because the online aspects are constantly changing. patches can be applied to servers, servers can go down, game companies can stop supporting servers mods and scripts can be applied server side, fan maps can change things from the original content etc. a prime example would be when ea turned off chat in red alert2. they gave up because they couldn't stop the script kiddies and didn't want to keep paying people to monitor and support the online portion of the game. therefore, the online experience changed... you could no longer chat in the lobbies.
they do this as a warning to the consumers and as protection against idiots(like you people) who can't understand basic concepts and can't get over the fact that they have no freedom of speech in the private sector and that just because they spent $50 on a game (less than you would on dinner and a movie if you useless morons could get a girlfriend) that doesn't mean that the company has to spend the rest of your useless lives making sure the game runs as well as it did the day you bought it.
ok, now i hope i'm done responding to idiots. if you still can't grasp the meaning of "online content may change" and "you're not allowed to cuss in our game", then you really are as stupid and useless as i suspect you are and all i can do is hope that you never reproduce.
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I'm starting to like you, spot...
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174284 is a reply to message #173743] |
Tue, 11 October 2005 06:27 |
msgtpain
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Spotelmo.. read my post above (or I could just post it again here)
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Additionally, online games that include user-generated content (e.g., chat, maps, skins) carry the notice "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" to warn consumers that content created by players of the game has not been rated by the ESRB.
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This is a requirement from the ESRB; the organization that forces them to put "Teen" rating on the box.
"Game Experience May Change During Online Play" has absolutely nothing to do with the company, their support, what they "owe" you, etc. It is there simply to warn parents that even though this is a 'teen' game.. Game Experience May Change During Online Play. i.e., it may turn in to an "M" game, if you let your kids play online and we have no way of giving you any assurance that the user generated online content adheres to the rating on the box.
This is the exact reason that servers such as ours took an extra step to ensure that the "online content" did indeed remain as close to the "Teen" rating as we could. in my opinion, a "mild expletive" is not "GOD DAMN FUCK YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE I'M GOING TO RAPE YOUR MOM, YOU STOLE MY TANK!".. We had many friends who had children of their own playing on the server along side them. Our policy was: if you need to swear, say it out loud; we don't need to read it.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174300 is a reply to message #173743] |
Tue, 11 October 2005 08:32 |
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hmm. Something tells me I should have paid more attention to this thread. Forgive me if I repeat something that has already been said.
Short answer: Who cares if you can't swear.
Longer answer: Yes, nothing was signed stating that you had to censor your language, it doesn't matter. This is the internet, there are no rules (some exeptions apply). If someone wants to censor you, they have all the ability in the world to do so. I highly doubt that anything will change because some people who lack the intellect to think up some other word to use in its place think it's not fair. The "I can say whatever I want" still works, so if you NEED to swear, go ahead. Just be prepared to live with the consequences. Being unable to swear isn't the end of the world. Heck, I'm 23 and have never even begun to swear, so it's obviously not that hard, or that big of a deal.
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| Re: EA Partners with XWIS Community Service [message #174329 is a reply to message #174273] |
Tue, 11 October 2005 10:42 |
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| spotelmo wrote on Tue, 11 October 2005 03:14 |
i just couldn't resist the temptation to respond. but then, it's better than working.
ea online is the same as westwood online (since it runs it and westwood no longer exists. they don't publish terms of service for "westwood online" anymore.)
but all that aside, i was referring mostly to the rts games like ra2 when i was talking about cussing and that it isn't allowed.
when you are in the chat lobby for those games talking bullshit, if you cuss you get kicked(or you did when ea and westwood were in charge). when you are in a game playing with someone you can cuss if you like and ea can't do anything about it(except apply the swear filter if you chose)
now, as for renegade, when you are in the chat lobbies, they have the power and the right to monitor the cussing and kick or ban you if they like. when you are in a server playing a game, it is the server owner and administrators who decide if you are allowed to cuss. that is their right and some servers even have automatic bots that do the kicking for them when you cuss.
this is what you agreed to when you clicked "i agree" upon installing the game.
as for the "online content may change" that is basic legalize put on most(if not all) games that can be played online. this is because the online aspects are constantly changing. patches can be applied to servers, servers can go down, game companies can stop supporting servers mods and scripts can be applied server side, fan maps can change things from the original content etc. a prime example would be when ea turned off chat in red alert2. they gave up because they couldn't stop the script kiddies and didn't want to keep paying people to monitor and support the online portion of the game. therefore, the online experience changed... you could no longer chat in the lobbies.
they do this as a warning to the consumers and as protection against idiots(like you people) who can't understand basic concepts and can't get over the fact that they have no freedom of speech in the private sector and that just because they spent $50 on a game (less than you would on dinner and a movie if you useless morons could get a girlfriend) that doesn't mean that the company has to spend the rest of your useless lives making sure the game runs as well as it did the day you bought it.
ok, now i hope i'm done responding to idiots. if you still can't grasp the meaning of "online content may change" and "you're not allowed to cuss in our game", then you really are as stupid and useless as i suspect you are and all i can do is hope that you never reproduce.
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Wrong. EA has nothing to do with Westwood's content save, and ONLY save, Generals. The ToS you sign with Westwood's games are what you agree to when you install the game, and that is the ToS in question. Furthermore, msgtpain is exactly correct.
So while you maintain nonsense, I maintain that it was still only a nice try Spot. But no cigar.
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I laughed out loud at this.
now... I bet we'll get a shit load of new empty servers now but ah well... people will quickly understand that it's a waste of money to have an empty server on WOL and will probably move on fast enough.
