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| WTF? [message #171501 is a reply to message #170011] |
Tue, 13 September 2005 22:33   |
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The posted comic sounds more realistic than the story about this Adad does.
Someone wrote that a few people have had claimed some FDS serials in the past via a script. I think this Adad had the same script, but changed it to the maximum settings to get all serials which were left in the database. If this is true (and not the comic story), this (13yr old poor?) guy ruined many plans from others hosting a game in the future. He has achieved that the whole community is being annoyed of him. Including me, I noticed the empty database as I wanted to register a 3rd serial...
Back to the present: No FDS serials available anymore. So what? Someone wrote we have enough servers. Right, most of them have a poor connection, only stupid standard gameplay or something else. But it isn't fair to steal all other serials just for fun. What is he planning to do with them? Offering them on Ebay? ROFL, he won't even sell one single serial I hope.
Now we can't get serials anymore and hey, Adad will NOT give out 1,000 serials for 100 US-Dollars? There you have it. BHS, I like you (YOU are keeping Renegade alive), but this is a lame endeavour to get some serials. I cannot believe my eyes as I read the 100$ post. This guy has been given the community a damage like the 2 times WOL was hacked last year (H4CKBOT - I PWNED YOU BITCH...over 80 times on game listings....we remember) and you are coming to him on your knees and ask him nicely for some serials? Wooozzzaaa. My adrenaline jumps in heights I never thought it can reach before. IMHO it's not really worth 100$, the offer (more a request) was canceled from the other party...
Only a few will give out his/her serials anymore now. Trust me and I can understand that. For example= I must pay about 50 € in Germany for a dedicated server to host Renegade on. This is the minimum, other servers are too weak. If I must pay 50€ monthly and have a free serial, I would prefer this instead of buying a serial with an expensive price (because XY wants me to) PLUS renting a server. Surely nothing is for free in this world, but this is called 'to whip someone' and results in a really bad reputation all over Renegade.
Stop this insanity please. IMHO Adad can print his approximately 50,000 serials, stick it on the wall above his Bed and say to himself: 'I pwned C&C Renegade' or whatever. I can live without him and you other players should agree more or less with this phrase.
I want to have feedback to this what I wrote now. Thanks. Feel free to delete this post, but I think that i'm right with it.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171504 is a reply to message #170011] |
Wed, 14 September 2005 01:51 |
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To be brief, and blunt. . ."You can catch for flies with honey than with vinegar." That's likely the way Black Hand wishes to do things in regards t Adad and other people with an absurd amount of Free Dedicated Server serial numbers. Bitchslapping him and yelling at him will only prove to agitate him and possibly provoke him into taunting them further. Being polite, and even going as far as to offer real money for them. . .that's the only logical route to take. Sometimes you've just gotta do wha'cha gotta do. . .
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171506 is a reply to message #170916] |
Wed, 14 September 2005 03:34 |
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His reasons for not accepting the 100$ deal has nothing to do with the community. Ask and i bet he will give you one willingly.
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| Whitedragon wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 02:38 |
For those of you that don't remember, there was a time when the FDS serial webpage was completely broken. This lasted for a few months and then EA fixed it. I know multiple people made scripts to claim alot of serials incase the webpage ever broke again, and at this time no one knew it could actually run out of serials. So bashing Adad or anyone else that did this is stupid, as they were just thinking ahead, getting prepared if it ever broke again.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171508 is a reply to message #170011] |
Wed, 14 September 2005 06:26 |
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OK, there are some ways to make me change my mind about him:
If you both knwo more than me, tell me, if Adad doesn't accept the deal and just give out only a few serials step by step...why does he keep the thousands of the other serials? What is the reason for 'stealing' the rest of those FDS serials worldwide and acting like the renegade serial server but only as a human?
I don't see any sense behind this. If he wanted to have more serials than all the others, it would have been enough to claim 100 or 1,000. I cannot imagine that it was EA's intention that we have to pay for a serial someday.
If a program is freeware over years and turns into the shareware status someday, I only will pay for it if it's worth it. I know people who are holding more than 2-3 FDS serials. Ask the Serveradmins from MP, BlackCell, Xphaze and some other. Surely they have more serials as they need. I have 2 to set up 2 servers, and I don't need more. In my opinion, 2 per person is enough.
Do you know this Adad from real life? I think not, if I'm wrong correct me. If yes, tell me the answers to my questions pleaase.
a) Why did he take the rest of all serials (I can't imagine that he didn't know what he was doing)
b) Why doesn't he accept this great offer? To have 100$ or not to have. 1,000 serials would be hardly enough for the community
c) Why would he give out single serials when a user requests one?
d) Why isn't he registered on this Board at renforums.com? Would be way easier to PM him, as some just hop from IRC channel to antother IRC channel in order to find him.
e) How old is he? For some people like me this can be important. I can't find any logical route on his behavior: Claiming all available serials, then denying a real-money-offer, but giving out single serials by request.
f) Finally who can proof that this Adad is not a fake and where can i find a statement of him where he cenfesses that he IS the thief?
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171512 is a reply to message #171506] |
Wed, 14 September 2005 10:46 |
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| ssptweek wrote on Wed, 14 September 2005 06:34 |
His reasons for not accepting the 100$ deal has nothing to do with the community. Ask and i bet he will give you one willingly.
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Do you know that for a fact?
If so, why are you just fucking around here instead of listing them?
Either way you're just running your mouth, asshat, and causing more grief than good with this hope of some secret reason why 1,000 supposed-to-be-free-server-serials aren't worth $100.
(PS People said to ask for a serial and he'd give one willingly, but I still don't have mine =D So I bet he won't give one willingly)
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171514 is a reply to message #171508] |
Wed, 14 September 2005 11:49 |
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| EA-DamageEverything wrote on Wed, 14 September 2005 09:26 |
OK, there are some ways to make me change my mind about him:
If you both knwo more than me, tell me, if Adad doesn't accept the deal and just give out only a few serials step by step...why does he keep the thousands of the other serials? What is the reason for 'stealing' the rest of those FDS serials worldwide and acting like the renegade serial server but only as a human?
I don't see any sense behind this. If he wanted to have more serials than all the others, it would have been enough to claim 100 or 1,000. I cannot imagine that it was EA's intention that we have to pay for a serial someday.
If a program is freeware over years and turns into the shareware status someday, I only will pay for it if it's worth it. I know people who are holding more than 2-3 FDS serials. Ask the Serveradmins from MP, BlackCell, Xphaze and some other. Surely they have more serials as they need. I have 2 to set up 2 servers, and I don't need more. In my opinion, 2 per person is enough.
Do you know this Adad from real life? I think not, if I'm wrong correct me. If yes, tell me the answers to my questions pleaase.
a) Why did he take the rest of all serials (I can't imagine that he didn't know what he was doing)
b) Why doesn't he accept this great offer? To have 100$ or not to have. 1,000 serials would be hardly enough for the community
c) Why would he give out single serials when a user requests one?
d) Why isn't he registered on this Board at renforums.com? Would be way easier to PM him, as some just hop from IRC channel to antother IRC channel in order to find him.
e) How old is he? For some people like me this can be important. I can't find any logical route on his behavior: Claiming all available serials, then denying a real-money-offer, but giving out single serials by request.
f) Finally who can proof that this Adad is not a fake and where can i find a statement of him where he cenfesses that he IS the thief?
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A) Adad had no idea it was going to claim all of the serials, he only did it in case the server ever went down again.
B) It is Adad's decision to tell you anything. Not my place. I just know he won't take the deal.
C) I have no idea, it is the way he wants to do it.
D) He is registered on these forums, and has been for some time.
E) He can tell you.
F) He is on IRC all the time, find him.
| Chronojam wrote on Wed, 14 September 2005 09:26 |
Do you know that for a fact?
If so, why are you just fucking around here instead of listing them?
Either way you're just running your mouth, asshat, and causing more grief than good with this hope of some secret reason why 1,000 supposed-to-be-free-server-serials aren't worth $100.
(PS People said to ask for a serial and he'd give one willingly, but I still don't have mine =D So I bet he won't give one willingly)
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I can't list them, when I am not Adad.
I am running my mouth? Geez, I thought I was being nice, when I said he wasn't going to accept the deal. I could of left you in the dark. I'm not running my mouth, just trying to help out. Adad probably won't come and post. So, I just posted that he won't take the deal. I didn't have to do that.
Posts like the one you made could be the reason why he hasn't given you a FDS serial.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171526 is a reply to message #171514] |
Wed, 14 September 2005 15:10 |
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| ssptweek wrote on Wed, 14 September 2005 20:49 |
A) Adad had no idea it was going to claim all of the serials, he only did it in case the server ever went down again.
B) It is Adad's decision to tell you anything. Not my place. I just know he won't take the deal.
C) I have no idea, it is the way he wants to do it.
D) He is registered on these forums, and has been for some time.
E) He can tell you.
F) He is on IRC all the time, find him.
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a) You may be right that he did it in case the server someday will be down forever, but I'm standing to my point that he must have known what the script does exactly. When I got new scripts, Software etc, I am looking for information if the thing messes my comp up, how it works and such things. I do NOT believe that he had no clue the scripts would take over all serials.
d) Sure? Not with this Name. I searched the member 'Adad' and there were no results...
f) Thinking about how big the entire IRC is, can you tell me the IRC server he is on everyday?
By the way, where would be the problem just to give the serials back to Ea, so they can put them back online? The serial server is still running, but it's empty. What a waste...I mean, I have nothing against that he will hold a few hundred serials back for himself. Not everybody has IRC, not everyone is registered in here, so it's way much easier to access a webserver than a guy whose uptime on the web is dynamically.
Did you get my point now?
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171540 is a reply to message #170011] |
Wed, 14 September 2005 16:15 |
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Adad is registered on these forums, and I have asked him in private in the past if he would part with some of them and allow me to redistribute them to the community. This "maybe he doesn't like you" response is the EXACT reason why BHS would like to redistribute them. The ONLY thing I would require in order to get a serial is that you prove you are a human and not a bot by identifying some letters like most places do these days. Like or Dislike of a person wouldn't figure into it.
But if this is how you want to play it, that's fine. I have other options to get serials out to the people who actually deserve them. Offer for $100 withdrawn.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171558 is a reply to message #170011] |
Wed, 14 September 2005 21:12 |
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Simply put, Crim(and possibly other people on the administration staff) are finally getting tired of the rations of horseplop that continues issuing forth from the bowels of those whose life goal is simply to offend, irritate, and generally abuse their anonyminity to their fullest. But enough about that. Let's get back on topic, shall we?
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171560 is a reply to message #171558] |
Wed, 14 September 2005 22:29 |
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| Joseph Collins wrote on Thu, 15 September 2005 06:12 |
...of those whose life goal is simply to offend, irritate, and generally abuse their anonyminity to their fullest. But enough about that. Let's get back on topic, shall we?
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I for myself just wrote down my opinion about this. I'm not one of such Users who always flames at other Users, I thought this had to be written down. I added 'Feel free to delete this...', so Admins have the possibility to move/delete my post if they feel it's posted in the wrong thread.
And hey, we're all using Nicks on Forums (you included I think) and I don't wanna abuse my anonyminity. I am not a professional spammer and don't want to be one in future. If you miss some Quality in my posts, let me know. BTW, my Name is Andy  . This is not meant to offend you, I can't keep my mouth shut if I think I've got something to say.
I agree with you friendly= back to original Topic.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171595 is a reply to message #170011] |
Thu, 15 September 2005 13:44 |
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You know what? This guy is actually worse than EA. Shocking, I know.
To get the serials from EA, all you had to do was hope the server was up, as it was 90% of the time.
I bet he sleeps maybe 1/4th the day, so that cuts it down to 75% of the day where he's capable of being online. That's not counting times where he's eating, working, playing, etc.
EA never made you track down what server and channel they were on on some obscure IRC network.
EA never made you have to register on a forum to try to get a serial.
EA never made you have to pass this mystery "do we like you" test that's got no standards at all.
EA never made you come to the point of offering cash for a free thing.
EA never went to shady sites.
EA never stole all remaining freebies that were for public use for any purpose (I'm surprised they haven't actually).
EA never would turn down cash-for-nothing.
EA showed up for the C&C 10th celebration.
EA actually has convinced many hundreds of people to work for them.
EA actually has a telephone number you can call most hours of the day.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171660 is a reply to message #170011] |
Thu, 15 September 2005 23:14 |
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Do you guys really think that by trying to publicly humiliate and insulting him you will convince him to give you something? You are all saying how hard it is to find him but it really isn't. He hangs out on numerous IRC servers and a lot of people could tell you at least one you could find him on. He also has accounts on many forums(including this one) you could send him a PM requesting a serial. I haven't talked to him about this so I don't know his reasons why he doesn't want to give them out but they are his to do what he pleases with. If he wants to be the one to give them out instead of BHS, deal with it. If all you want is for people to be able to get serials easily then make a sticky telling people to contact adad and have a link to PM him or something. Even if they have to wait a few days it is better than not getting a serial at all. For all you know he may evenyually get tired of everyone bugging him for serials and decide to give you some but the more everyone insults him the less chance there is of him giving serials to anyone.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171661 is a reply to message #171660] |
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| almor999 wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 02:14 |
Do you guys really think that by trying to publicly humiliate and insulting him you will convince him to give you something? You are all saying how hard it is to find him but it really isn't. He hangs out on numerous IRC servers and a lot of people could tell you at least one you could find him on. He also has accounts on many forums(including this one) you could send him a PM requesting a serial. I haven't talked to him about this so I don't know his reasons why he doesn't want to give them out but they are his to do what he pleases with. If he wants to be the one to give them out instead of BHS, deal with it. If all you want is for people to be able to get serials easily then make a sticky telling people to contact adad and have a link to PM him or something. Even if they have to wait a few days it is better than not getting a serial at all. For all you know he may evenyually get tired of everyone bugging him for serials and decide to give you some but the more everyone insults him the less chance there is of him giving serials to anyone.
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Way to disregard everything we've stated. Let's recap:
1) The average person won't know that Adad is the one to get in contact with
2) The average person won't know where to contact Adad
3) The average person might not be liked by Adad
4) Are they really "his to do what he pleases with"? Will he really use that many FDS serials? If not, then I think most of us here will agree that they're not exactly "his to do what he pleases with"
5) The ones asking for the multitude of serials (BHS) are NOT the ones whom are insulting him.
6) Humiliation is something you face every day, especially when you have done shifty things that you could regret later and wish to come clean.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171681 is a reply to message #170011] |
Fri, 16 September 2005 07:29 |
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1) The average person won't know that Adad is the one to get in contact with
2) The average person won't know where to contact Adad
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As I said, BHS could post a way to contact Adad, the only reason not to do that would be if they wanted the credit for giving out serials. I won't argue with the fact that it would be easier to get them if BHS had them but it doesn't look like that is going to happen.
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3) The average person might not be liked by Adad
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He told Crimson that if she sent people to him, he would give them serials. If that person does something to annoy Adad then it is their own fault they wont get one from him. A lot of the time he is AFK on IRC so send him a PM or leave a message for him on IRC and wait.
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4) Are they really "his to do what he pleases with"? Will he really use that many FDS serials? If not, then I think most of us here will agree that they're not exactly "his to do what he pleases with"
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You seem to have completely missed my point. I am not arguing about whether he should have that many serials. I am just saying that he is in possession of them and EA is not going to do anything about it. For all intents and purposes those serials are his and he decides what is done with them.
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5) The ones asking for the multitude of serials (BHS) are NOT the ones whom are insulting him.
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Yes, and I commend crimson and Blazer for telling people not to insult Adad. I am sure Crimson had good intentions but Adad already told her what he would/would not do. To me this just looks like an attempt to humiliate/shame him into giving her serials. Instead of continuing to harass him she could just send people to him.
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6) Humiliation is something you face every day, especially when you have done shifty things that you could regret later and wish to come clean.
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I am not Adad and cannot speak for him, I am just telling you how I see things. I know the more people posted crap about me and "humiliated" me, the less chance there would be of them getting something from me.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171698 is a reply to message #170011] |
Fri, 16 September 2005 11:04 |
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Well, to be honest, I have been sending people to Adad under protest for several months now. Mac and I were hoping that by making a public appeal, that the community would support us and Adad might reconsider his previous rejection of our request. But instead it brought all the morons out of the woodwork and I have withdrawn my offer. I am now persuing other means of solving this problem.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171700 is a reply to message #170011] |
Fri, 16 September 2005 11:33 |
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Crimson, what do you expect from a community mainly comprised of idiots? I, personally, don't see a need for any more servers to be put up, but if people want to, I don't see why they can't. The best servers are going to be the ones that succeed whether or not there are 20 or 200 servers.
I support the idea of getting the serials from Adad. Though, whether or not he wants to give them out, there's no harm in asking. They ARE his, whether or not most view this as "fair". From what I gather, this wasn't his original intention to drain the available serials. I'm sure nobody thought that it would either. Has Adad even viewed this topic? Does he know this is even here? That could be why you haven't received a public response from him.
whoa.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171706 is a reply to message #171661] |
Fri, 16 September 2005 12:39 |
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| Chronojam wrote on Thu, 15 September 2005 22:44 |
1) EA never made you have to pass this mystery "do we like you" test that's got no standards at all.
2) EA never made you come to the point of offering cash for a free thing.
3) EA never stole all remaining freebies that were for public use for any purpose.
4) EA actually has a telephone number you can call most hours of the day.
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I agree.
| Kanezor wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 08:20 |
1) The average person won't know that Adad is the one to get in contact with
2) The average person won't know where to contact Adad
3) The average person might not be liked by Adad
4) Are they really "his to do what he pleases with"? Will he really use that many FDS serials? If not, then I think most of us here will agree that they're not exactly "his to do what he pleases with"
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And I agree to those Points also.
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Yes call me a moron Crimson. I think it's female logic offering money for something free. Everybody has the right to claim some serials, but there's nothing that gives a single person the rights to claim more than a normal amount (which should be limited to 10 per person). I have 2 serials and don't need more.
If Adad is registered in this forum, why doens't he reply to my questions? I don't have the patience searching all knwon IRC servers to find him. Too bad, seems he is too shy.
Does EA really know that he holds the large amount of FDS serials? I think not. But I remember this guy from EA who is registered here. Maybe he had looked inside this thread.
I'm standing to my point, Adad should give back the serials to EA so they can put them back on. He surely can hold 50 or 100. Trying to host 100 Games and holding back 20,000 serials fearing the unknown future huh?
See the facts= WOL came back up everytime, the Rankserver is up and the Serialserver too. If EA really wants to shutdown all that belongs to Renegade, they would shut down all servers at the same time. So I had no fear Renegade will be running out of FDS serials at anytime. Till I read from this guy (and the others who claimed some by scripts).
We have 2005, you can buy Rengade over the Internet, some shopping malls have it too. I am currently working on my own project 'Worlds greatest Download Database for Renegade' which will be up till Winter begins. I'm not that moron who only starts flamewars on forums. I am registered on many forums to help out and hope that we all can play Rene for the next 5 years. Surely BHS are the unofficial Masterminds behind Renegade since EA gave up. But don't forget the others opinions and analyze them if there isn't a bit of truth in their posts.
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Crimson, what do you expect from a community mainly comprised of idiots?
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And such people who call barely all other users Idiots are not that intelligent. You Sir, have been pwned.
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| Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios [message #171710 is a reply to message #171706] |
Fri, 16 September 2005 13:08 |
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| EA-DamageEverything wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 15:39 |
| Chronojam wrote on Thu, 15 September 2005 22:44 |
1) EA never made you have to pass this mystery "do we like you" test that's got no standards at all.
2) EA never made you come to the point of offering cash for a free thing.
3) EA never stole all remaining freebies that were for public use for any purpose.
4) EA actually has a telephone number you can call most hours of the day.
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I agree.
| Kanezor wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 08:20 |
1) The average person won't know that Adad is the one to get in contact with
2) The average person won't know where to contact Adad
3) The average person might not be liked by Adad
4) Are they really "his to do what he pleases with"? Will he really use that many FDS serials? If not, then I think most of us here will agree that they're not exactly "his to do what he pleases with"
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And I agree to those Points also.
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Yes call me a moron Crimson. I think it's female logic offering money for something free. Everybody has the right to claim some serials, but there's nothing that gives a single person the rights to claim more than a normal amount (which should be limited to 10 per person). I have 2 serials and don't need more.
If Adad is registered in this forum, why doens't he reply to my questions? I don't have the patience searching all knwon IRC servers to find him. Too bad, seems he is too shy.
Does EA really know that he holds the large amount of FDS serials? I think not. But I remember this guy from EA who is registered here. Maybe he had looked inside this thread.
I'm standing to my point, Adad should give back the serials to EA so they can put them back on. He surely can hold 50 or 100. Trying to host 100 Games and holding back 20,000 serials fearing the unknown future huh?
See the facts= WOL came back up everytime, the Rankserver is up and the Serialserver too. If EA really wants to shutdown all that belongs to Renegade, they would shut down all servers at the same time. So I had no fear Renegade will be running out of FDS serials at anytime. Till I read from this guy (and the others who claimed some by scripts).
We have 2005, you can buy Rengade over the Internet, some shopping malls have it too. I am currently working on my own project 'Worlds greatest Download Database for Renegade' which will be up till Winter begins. I'm not that moron who only starts flamewars on forums. I am registered on many forums to help out and hope that we all can play Rene for the next 5 years. Surely BHS are the unofficial Masterminds behind Renegade since EA gave up. But don't forget the others opinions and analyze them if there isn't a bit of truth in their posts.
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| j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 20:33 |
Crimson, what do you expect from a community mainly comprised of idiots?
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And such people who call barely all other users Idiots are not that intelligent. You Sir, have been pwned.
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Do you live under a rock? You seem to think this is a perfect world, where everything is fair and everyone gets what they want. Perhaps the reason Adad is not replying to you is because he saw you writing shit about him in this thread?
If you think this forum/communtiy isn't comprised of a lot of idiots you need to open your eyes. Look at the amount of flaming, argueing, spamming etc and how everyone acts. Jball is one of the few people on this forum who shows intelligence on a regular basis, you seem to be the one lacking intelligence here. Also I am not sure how you think you "pwned" him because you did not.
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