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| Re: CnC Reborn Update: Nod Rifle [message #166626 is a reply to message #166574] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 12:32   |
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From Reborn's Forums.
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This is a very very ironic thing. Everything's done right, but for the wrong thing.
Summary:
1. Where's the penis?
2. Haven't we been through this before?
3. Why isn't it more like plastic?
4. Made by GDI, for Nod?
Intermission: Wtf?
5. Useful or useless?
6. Lego to the rescue. Again?
7. Hold me, please
1. Here's a rare case where it should have looked more like a penis. Instead, you stuck a crappily made nickel arrow nock on the front of a gun and expect bullets to come out fine. The front of the rifle is completely crap.
2. Let's revisit something brought up when the chainguns were made-- will that ammo counter work, or will we merely have a useless 99 pasted on the side of our gun?
3. The front insulation part of the gun somehow got lost in translation. Like I said in the first part, the front of the rifle is completely crap. It looks like you took a real gun, sawed off the front, and then taped together slightly-flattened, charred Coke cans and finally stuck a nock on the end of that. It looks like some heavy metal blocks there, maybe with a hole bored through for the rifle barrel-- not shielding, insulation, grip, etc.. just some metal thrown in there randomly, as if to give the soldier's left hand something important to do.
4. I won't nitpick about it being Patented, but the Belgium thing... I dunno... If it looked like some kind of Smith & Wesson gun and was made in a rogue Smith & Wesson style plant somewhere in the USA and it said it was made there, it'd pass *maybe* if we completely neglect that Nod had no influence in that area. So it not only doesn't look Belgian, but it doesn't really fit into the political scheme of things either.
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Belgium weapons aren't sold only to EU or NATO...
Cuba uses FN weapons as an example. Even terrorists can get some US weapons if they pay the price... So I don't see the problem and I am happy to add this little touch for my country  (for my last weapon skin for this mod if you don't consider beacons as weapons...  )
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Captured Belgian weapons aren't sold with Al Qaida or HAMAS insignia pre-placed, nor are they designed by and for those organizations. Unless you've found some huge conspiracy? Wait a second, this pump shotgun I have says it was made in Belgium for the IRA?! Nevermind, false alarm.
Intermission. Otherwise, that detailed part I like. But the counter and front of gun, wtf? Did you even really take time to look at it? You must have been in a rush.
5. The back of the gun is boring and nonfunctional. For a gun that appears this amazingly heavy, they expect you to use it only from some rather stressful positions. Check out the stock, etc. on the plastic gun you copied. Check out the stocks that are optional on several SMGs, and look at the backs of American and British rifles. Don't give me any of this "omg it looks good" crap either, n00bies. Putting a spiked ball on the butt of a shotgun would make it look awesome and threaten weapon-ruining melee action, but it'd be f*cking stupid (I PUT A LITTLE STAR WOOT) but is completely useless and also detrimental to the use of the weapon. Following me on this? Useless. Even Nod, who likes to put flair and glamour into their stuff for the hell of it, wouldn't approve of such useless design. They'd be thinking, "wtf? Kill the designer. We need another cyborg anyways." Now, seriously, look at ANY render of a Nod soldier. I guarantee that if he's got a rifle, 9/10 times it'll have some kind of curved padding of SOME nature, ergonomically shaped to combine function and fashion into one-- MAYBE EVEN A PSEUDO-LEATHER COVERING! THO FABULOUTH! But seriously? What the hell?
6. Legos strike again. This keeps coming up. This looks eerily like the back off the Nod plasma rifle, but that's a rather-recoilless weapon where the back houses a display and the gun is held and fired a lot differently. It also reminds me of the back of the Mk2 before I pointed out how horrible it was (you all owe me) and really, the back off many things. Just a generic, thoughtless, "well we'll make that rounded-off Lego look"
I love Legos, but don't overuse this one piece.
7. The grip part for the left hand.. erm, what should be a grip part. It's not. Those Coke-cans are far too slippery looking, and they don't really have grooves at all. So they fail at both heat dissappation and serving as a gripping point on the weapon. Not only that, it's all boxy and not formed well for fitting into a guy's hand from the looks of it, it should be curved more and have some grooves to it. Look in the movie where the orca pilot is killed, ffs. Hell, your screenshot shows it fine. The others are too, shall we say, muddy to show this as well as that one.
Update. Just read this in the now-locked thread where I called the "GDI" text on the power plant "ridiculous" (WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A HUGE INSULT TO THEM) http://www.reborn.communityteam.de/renardin/forum/viewtopic. php?p=13535#13535
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chrono, shut up! Next time you insult our work, I ban - delete your account.
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I'm willing to bet I get banned for pointing out all these flaws. After all, showing them things to make the mod better is a kind of radical, RenAlert type thought that only a rebel mod like SWMod might ever use, ya know?
OMG DON'T TELL THEM WHAT STUFF LOOKS INACCURATE! THEY'LL BAN YOU ON THE SPOT! WHO CARES THAT THE FRONT OF A GUN WENT FROM A CONE TO A SPLIT-BARREL!? IT LOOKS GOOD JUST LIKE A CHROME-PLATED THROWING DISC WITH AN ELECTRIC FIELD AROUND IT!!!!
Please tell me somebody understands why I keep posting a Westwood Render of a Soviet Heavy Tank?
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I guess *Exdeath* can't ban me here =D
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| Re: CnC Reborn Update: Nod Rifle [message #166638 is a reply to message #166631] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 13:17 |
Chronojam
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| Havoc 89 wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 15:43 |
It seems accurate to the cutscenes, and texture is pretty good. This only thing about it is the design Westwood used. Pretty much the only thing i dont like about it.
And is it supposed to be some kind of SMG or Standard assult rifle? I know it says rifle on the topic. But it looks like an SMG with a Assult Rifle magazine.
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Rule of thumb with Reborn weapons: Ignore the names. The "UZI" is really some random-ass H&K smg for example =P
Anyway, it's not really that accurate to the cutscenes at all. Look at them side-by-side. I tried to get renders at those same angles but Exdeath refused to provide them, so just make do with what they provided. First things first, compare the muzzles of each weapon. One looks more like a cone, one is more like an arrow nock. Second, look at the grips. Third, look at the backs of the weapons. Most Reborn stuff is like that. It "looks good" until you see what it's supposed to be formed like.
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| Re: CnC Reborn Update: Nod Rifle [message #166642 is a reply to message #166574] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 13:49 |
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I don't know guns, but I think the rifle could be better, somehow. What is this based on? I don't particularly like the back, which looks like a pistol to me, but since it is hidden mostly I guess that won't matter too much. =\
The front doesn't look very sexy either.
Can the numbers somehow change from 00 to 99 after the cartridge is inserted?
-YSLMuffins
The goddess of all (bread products)
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| Re: CnC Reborn Update: Nod Rifle [message #166648 is a reply to message #166574] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 14:39 |
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By my count, the clip they show can hold 34 bullets in some kind of staggered alignment. Nowhere near 99... Plus, the clip is much shorter than the one shown in the Westwood shots. Reborn will be happy if all their fans are blind, I'm sure, or simply bad at making any kind of spacial relation between two objects.
(ps you're about five minutes late with that post)
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| Re: CnC Reborn Update: Nod Rifle [message #166650 is a reply to message #166574] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 14:47 |
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Hmm, I didn't really see that the first time I saw your post. But you're right, in my opinion it are just these ''small'' details it doesn't really care. And I think it will also balance some things with the ammo ect. Is it this thing itself with the the gun that hinders you or is it the fact that they use the ''brick form'' on other models?
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| Re: CnC Reborn Update: Nod Rifle [message #166653 is a reply to message #166574] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 15:10 |
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Hopefully your audience? Otherwise just give everybody a black square with random Nod logos for one team, and a tan square with random GDI logos for the other (Remember!! You must use random ones-- mix up Black Hand with TS-Nod, and throw in some TD-Nod for good measure! Add in all sorts of prerelease GDI logos despite GDI having nearly identical logos in TD and TS both without anything near the eagle-holding-missiles that you want to put), and let them go at it with identical characters whose only differences are shoulder pads, backpacks, and pants-- But have a few made-up units tossed in that sadly are the best things you have going for you.
That's almost what's happening now actually. There's been some damn good progress but what the hell do you call this rifle, seriously? How can you include this thing? It's like insulting yourself. The shotgun was so much better. The sniper rifle was so much better. Why must you gay yourselves up right when you've convinced some people you've pulled yourselves out of the hole? It's sad. Don't do it. It's like letting your recovered-alcoholic friend take a hit from your bong (it makes sense in the way I'm using it, but I bet you expected me to say "have a sip of your drink") -- wtf are you thinking? The Hand of Nod was great. The lighting was a bit... whatever. Compared to the rest of your stuff and the Renegade Hand of Nod, wow! Then you pull this lame-ass Power Plant out and your only defense is one early render versus in-game content... and that's what frustrates me the most, it's like you're purposely keeping your mod shitty for no damn good reason at all. Granted, I have a lot of fun posting like this. And people have contacted me to say it's entertained them. However, you're trying to make a mod that's fun and polished, not give me a way to blow through some free time and practice writing.
*coughs*
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| Re: CnC Reborn Update: Nod Rifle [message #166656 is a reply to message #166574] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 15:33 |
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Why don't you take care of your other promises first? It's way past April, buddy. The prize was supposed to be a playable copy of Reborn. I'd say you owe me.
The team didn't ban me, ExDeath banned me for one week of his own volition for his own reasons. By the way, if you ever even read what I post instead of just skipping over looking for the words "RenAlert" and "Reborn" and "Suck"... maybe you'd see that I announced here that I was banned, a few posts ago.
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| Re: CnC Reborn Update: Nod Rifle [message #166661 is a reply to message #166574] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 15:52 |
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I took that into consideration. Here's a quick little diagram comparing Westwood's weapon and Reborn's-- I'm ignoring surface detailing, the grip, the trigger, the front, top, and bottom views, and just looking at a very simplified side view (I don't want to confuse you!!)
It's in colors from opposite ends of the spectrum, so *especially* in the case of the part where I overlayed the two, you can easily view it even if you have poor eyesight and poor skill at judging distances and have trouble discerning shapes.
Is it clear for you?
Edit because imageshack is gay.
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