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Thu, 28 July 2005 15:35   |
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warranto
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Oh, this is a classic. Please, tell me, which statement is true?
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Smoking marijuana has the potential to cause both bronchitis and cancer of the lungs, throat, and neck, but this is generally no different than inhaling any other burnt carbon-containing matter since they all increase the number of lesions (and therefore possible infections) in your airways.
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Marijuana, unlike tobacco and alcohol, does not appear to cause head, neck, or lung cancer, says a researcher from Johns Hopkins Medical School in Baltimore who presented findings from a study here recently at a meeting of internal medicine physicians.
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Now, which statement is true? Mind you, picking from one source immediately discredits anything coming from the other.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164609 is a reply to message #164604] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 15:40 |
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glyde51
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| SEAL wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 18:30 |
Well Hydra, since you personally know me and can thus accurately describe me, I intend on taking your comments very seriously. 
As for that link...
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The strength of today's marijuana is as much as ten times greater than the marijuana used in the early 1970s.
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Absolute bullshit. Marijuana/hashish has been grown/produced for hundreds of years. People have been smoking it in the east for many more years than in the US. A lot of marijuana still comes from there today. It's the same plant.
It's how the plant is grown, and things get altered over time. Growers made it more addictive. The plant itself changes over time.
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People describe this reaction as an extreme fear of "losing control," which causes panic.
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I don't know who these people that they asked are, but they sound like they have problems already. Extreme fear and losing control? Give me a break.
They get this from Marijuana. Can you read, or is your vision still blurred from your latest hit?
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Long-term regular users of marijuana may become psychologically dependent.
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It has been proven that marijuana is addictive by a study financed by the US government. That study also mentioned that coffee, sex, and chocolate are more addictive. POT: REAL ADDICTIVE!!
There are such things as sex, coffee, and chocolate addicts. Strangely enough, they get irritable and such.
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Research shows that the earlier people start using drugs, the more likely they are to go on to experiment with other drugs.
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I would support pot being illegal to minors. This logic that pot leads to harder drugs is based on the fact that most people who do harder drugs started with pot. However, the majority people who smoke pot do not move on to harder drugs. Not so bad when you look at the facts correctly, huh?
Children and teens obtain Cigs and Alcohol from their parents own supply, what stops Marijuana from being different? It's also not bad for pot users, who can't see the facts because the smoke is too thick to see through.
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Some research studies suggest that the use of marijuana during pregnancy may result in premature babies and in low birth weights. Studies of men and women may have a temporary loss of fertility. These findings suggest that marijuana may be especially harmful during adolescence, a period of rapid physical and sexual development.
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"No trustworthy study has ever shown that marijuana use damages the reproductive system, or causes chromosome breakage. Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system. Claims that marijuana use may impair hormone production, menstrual cycles, or fertility in females are both unproven and unfounded."
- http://www.askmen.com/sports/health/20b_mens_health.html
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Scientists believe that marijuana can be especially harmful to the lungs because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and hold it in their lungs as long as possible. Therefore, the smoke is in contact with lung tissues for long periods of time, which irritates the lungs and damages the way they work. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same ingredients in tobacco smoke that can cause emphysema and cancer.
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There is no evidence showing higher rates of lung cancer in people who use marijuana.
Marijuana Unlikely to Cause Head, Neck, or Lung Cancer
Oh, the good ol' Missouri Department of mental haelth...
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As for your last two links that's crap, probably made by some old college students who had a good 'ol time in high school.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164613 is a reply to message #164286] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 15:45 |
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glyde51
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At any rate, isn't it better to assume something is dangerous and not use it, than to go around using something that could be dangerous? It's always better to assume the worst in a situation like this.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164622 is a reply to message #164616] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 16:10 |
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Fabian
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This thread is about whether it should be, not will be, legalized.
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The people don't want another filthy habit wondering the streets like smoking or drinking.
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Really? Last time I checked, millions upon millions of Americans smoke on a regular basis.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164650 is a reply to message #164286] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 19:00 |
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glyde51
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Thankfully, most people realize it's dangers, and don't want their child or self a spaced out pot smoker who go onto online forums to make horrible debates about how pot should be legalized.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164652 is a reply to message #164650] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 19:20 |
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Fabian
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Smooth. Let's attack me personally because we have no more legitimate points to make to counter me.
Thanks for making assumptions about me, asshole. Spaced out? You know nothing about me or how I act when I'm high. I happen to be much more focused when I smoke. But you never thought that would happen to someone high, did you? You're basing all of that shit about me based on the misinfomed stereotyped bullshit that you people spew.
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But while alcohol and cigarettes are legal, we must ask ourselves: is it normal, fair, economical, rational, or logical to lump ganja, weed, pot, schmag, or bud in the same category as hard drugs that admittedly kill, destroy and ravage everything in sight? To objectively answer this question, one must have smoked at one point in their lives. For a non-smoker to say, "thou shalt not smoke," is like a virgin saying "thou shalt not have sex." You do not know what you are talking about. There are thus social, medical, legal, ethical, and economical factors to be considered."
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The site speaks truth, but you're to close minded, stubborn and stuck in your point of view that you refuse to even consider that the author might be right.
You don't know what you're talking about, so stop pretending like you do. Hell, even your Lord and Savior, good ol' Dubya has smoked a doobie. Oh, yeah... well, him and 50 other million Americans.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164654 is a reply to message #164652] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 19:44 |
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glyde51
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| SEAL wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 22:20 |
Smooth. Let's attack me personally because we have no more legitimate points to make to counter me.
Thanks for making assumptions about me, asshole. Spaced out? You know nothing about me or how I act when I'm high. I happen to be much more focused when I smoke. But you never thought that would happen to someone high, did you? You're basing all of that shit about me based on the misinfomed stereotyped bullshit that you people spew.
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But while alcohol and cigarettes are legal, we must ask ourselves: is it normal, fair, economical, rational, or logical to lump ganja, weed, pot, schmag, or bud in the same category as hard drugs that admittedly kill, destroy and ravage everything in sight? To objectively answer this question, one must have smoked at one point in their lives. For a non-smoker to say, "thou shalt not smoke," is like a virgin saying "thou shalt not have sex." You do not know what you are talking about. There are thus social, medical, legal, ethical, and economical factors to be considered."
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The site speaks truth, but you're to close minded, stubborn and stuck in your point of view that you refuse to even consider that the author might be right.
You don't know what you're talking about, so stop pretending like you do. Hell, even your Lord and Savior, good ol' Dubya has smoked a doobie. Oh, yeah... well, him and 50 other million Americans.
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Psst... Bush sucks? :-\
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164655 is a reply to message #164286] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 19:51 |
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glyde51
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What's the point of keeping it legal? It has obvious short, and long term effects. If adults used it, say, anyone who has a job, they'd function less. Would you like someone who is not able to concentrate holding a firearm as a police officer? Attempting to save your family as a fire fighter? Operating on you at the surgery table?
Probably not. They're likely to make more mistakes the chemicals from Marijuana enters the body.
No. Seriously. No.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164658 is a reply to message #164613] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 20:09 |
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| glyde51 wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 15:45 |
At any rate, isn't it better to assume something is dangerous and not use it, than to go around using something that could be dangerous? It's always better to assume the worst in a situation like this.
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True dat... heck, within the last century people didn't know cigarettes kill you.
I don't have to do something to know it's stupid and dangerous. Why don't you potheads go jump off a cliff because you apparently can't judge how retarded it is to do until you try it yourself. You truly disgust me.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164660 is a reply to message #164422] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 20:26 |
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| SEAL wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 13:52 |
Being high on pot pacifies you.
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Then explain why some high idiot threw a huge rock at my cousin and got into a fight with him (I witnessed it).
Fact is, it's a case-per-case situation.
FUCK
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164662 is a reply to message #164286] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 20:43 |
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warranto
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Well, since I seem to be being ignored, I'll quote myself.
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Oh, this is a classic. Please, tell me, which statement is true?
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Cancer
Smoking marijuana has the potential to cause both bronchitis and cancer of the lungs, throat, and neck, but this is generally no different than inhaling any other burnt carbon-containing matter since they all increase the number of lesions (and therefore possible infections) in your airways.
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Marijuana, unlike tobacco and alcohol, does not appear to cause head, neck, or lung cancer, says a researcher from Johns Hopkins Medical School in Baltimore who presented findings from a study here recently at a meeting of internal medicine physicians.
Now, which statement is true? Mind you, picking from one source immediately discredits anything coming from the other
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Speeding is harmful to others. Petty crime is harmful to others. I generally regard you as an intelligent person, but you continue to bring up the same, flawed argument.
Harmful to others, yes it can be. But so can Marijuana. Please don't come back with "How?", it says so in that link you provided.
The arguement only appears flawed because you refuse to acknowledge the idea that Marijuana is harmful to others; just like the things I have been pointing out(and harmful does not mean that it has to have some SERIOUS medical condition. Simply throwing up from the second hand smoke is considered "harmful").
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164731 is a reply to message #164286] |
Fri, 29 July 2005 14:55 |
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bandie63
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In reply to all those people who are saying all advocates are pot heads:
I have never smoked pot, nor do I intend to in the foreseeable future. That does not mean that I would not support it being legalized. If people want to do this, I'm not stopping them, but I do agree. There should be some rules in place for the use of this stuff.
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