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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164406 is a reply to message #164400] |
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| Serious Ejection of All Logic wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 10:14 |
| Hydra wrote on Tue, 26 July 2005 23:33 |
Just like slurred speech isn't common amongst drunkards.
From the drunkards' perspectives, at least.
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Nope. Not just like that. Alcohol actually is a direct cause of slurred speech. "Stoner talk" is a stereotypical way of talking that is not only exagerated and uncommon, it's not directly caused by pot.
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You didn't get it, did you?
A group of drunks slurring their speech think they're speaking normally to each other. You can't tell left from fucking right when you're high, so you don't think you say stupid shit when you're high, either.
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Drug lords would be put out of business when huge, industrial companies have the capacity to mechanize the process because they would stand no chance of competing.
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Wait, I thought giant corporations were evil parasites on society run by vile corporate execs just waiting to smash a few poor people into oblivion for a buck, the most vile kinds of corporations being tobacco companies. When did Marlboro suddenly become the good guy?
Also, if you agree that drug lords are an enormous problem in Latin America, why are you doing your part to support them by purchasing their products?
Your hypocrisy has reached SuperFlyingLiberalTool proportions.
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Wrong. Marijuana being sold on the streets doesn't have added chemicals and poisons. It's just a plant.
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Yeah, you'd know.
I mean, your drug dealer is a trustworthy guy, right?
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As a scare tactic, anti-drug campaigns will tell you that dealers put chemicals like rat poison in their pot, but that's a rare occurance (most dealers want to keep their clients happy, and won't lace their pot with things that their clients don't want).
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Oh, of course, because drug dealers are the most careful people in the world! They never use their own product, even when they're mixing it up for someone else!
Drug dealers are just plain ole folks carrying on their family's tradition of breaking the law!
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Tobacco being "filtered" doesn't make up for the fact that tobacco is still far more harmful to your health than pot.
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Let's see your medical degree, Doctor.
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Marijuana much more addictive than tobacco? How uninformed ARE you?
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You say it's not addictive, yet you use it all the time....
Go ahead. You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about your shitty situation.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164410 is a reply to message #164286] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 09:31 |
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I've never known anyone who DIDN'T talk different when they were high. They even have a characteristic look to their faces.
Another point would be the god-awful smell... one of the few things that smell WORSE than cigarettes.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164418 is a reply to message #164406] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 10:13 |
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A group of drunks slurring their speech think they're speaking normally to each other. You can't tell left from fucking right when you're high, so you don't think you say stupid shit when you're high, either.
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Are you retarded? When I'm drunk, I know damn well that my speech is slurred. You're wrong. Just wrong.
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Wait, I thought giant corporations were evil parasites on society run by vile corporate execs just waiting to smash a few poor people into oblivion for a buck, the most vile kinds of corporations being tobacco companies. When did Marlboro suddenly become the good guy?
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Big company, or drug lord. Take your pick. At least a big company would be monitored by the government.
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Also, if you agree that drug lords are an enormous problem in Latin America, why are you doing your part to support them by purchasing their products?
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That's why I think it should be legal. Put one and one together for Christ's sake.
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Yeah, you'd know.
I mean, your drug dealer is a trustworthy guy, right?
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I've smoked WITH my dealer all the time and I've known him for many years (way before he was even a dealer). He's really friendly and looks out for me all the time. So yes, he is a trustworthy guy. Thanks for asking.
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Oh, of course, because drug dealers are the most careful people in the world! They never use their own product, even when they're mixing it up for someone else!
Drug dealers are just plain ole folks carrying on their family's tradition of breaking the law!
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Drug dealing has a good deal of trust involved in it. Dealers want to make money. That's why they do what they do. If they lace their shit, people will be able to tell, and they won't buy from them anymore. No trust = no business = no money. And yes, most drug dealers are very careful. The ones that aren't are usually in jail.
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You say it's not addictive, yet you use it all the time....
Go ahead. You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about your shitty situation.
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Hmm... that WOULD be a good point had I actually said that marijuana wasn't addictive.
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I've never known anyone who DIDN'T talk different when they were high. They even have a characteristic look to their faces.
Another point would be the god-awful smell... one of the few things that smell WORSE than cigarettes.
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So don't hang out with people who smoke if you don't like what it turns them into. If that person is high in public and you have no choice, then that person would be breaking the law.
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You can bet that the "big tabacco" companies that start making it will add nicotine. Instant addiction. That, combined with the mental effects, will make it worse than tabacco over a short period of time.
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I've thought about this a lot, actually. Companies add things to tobacco because smoking tobacco by itself sucks. It's not smooth, it tastes gross, and it does almost nothing to you (for the record, I don't smoke tobacco or like to). Smoking marijuana by itself is just fine--no additives required. People who smoke pot WANT pure pot. If companies started putting other stuff in the pot, people would most likely switch to a pure source (street dealers, or alternative companies).
Let's not forget the millions and millions of dollars that would be saved on FBI and DEA funding. I'm assuming if it were ever to become legal, it would be taxed heavily like alcohol and tobacco, providing even more revenue for the goverment.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164420 is a reply to message #164418] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 10:41 |
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| SEAL wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 10:13 |
So don't hang out with people who smoke if you don't like what it turns them into. If that person is high in public and you have no choice, then that person would be breaking the law.
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Mind saying that again, this time to the two kids that my former friend left motherless when he decided to shoot her in the face when she delivered him a pizza... because he was too high to care about the consequences of his actions?
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164422 is a reply to message #164286] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 10:52 |
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Because the fact that he was high is the ONLY possible reason for him doing that, right?. He couldn't have been a mental case ANYWAY, right?
Look, I don't know WHAT exactly you think marijuana does to you, but it does NOT make you think you are invincible, can fly, do things without consequences, etc. Being high on pot pacifies you.
The only legitimate deaths that are a result of someone being high are people who are stupid enough to drive while high and hit someone/something because of a slowed reaction time. Unlike alcohol, marijuana doesn't effect judgement, so it's not like someone who would normally think driving high is bad will think otherwise after smoking up.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164429 is a reply to message #164286] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 11:28 |
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OBVIOUSLY he had other problems, too, but he is not the only person that I've seen not caring about the consequences of their actions while high... it's the attitude like "it doesn't matter, man... just be cool and shit"... you can't tell me that your worries and concerns go away (or significantly fade away) when you're high.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164434 is a reply to message #164286] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 12:05 |
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That is THE worst generalization ever... I speed sometimes, but that doesn't mean I have a disregard for the law. I had a few drinks before I was 21, but that doesn't mean I have a disregard for the law.
I lived in Wyoming... there was NOTHING to do there so many of my friends smoked pot. I made these observations on more than one person... 100% of the people I knew were like that.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164435 is a reply to message #164431] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 12:16 |
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...but that doesn't mean that all people who break the law don't care about consequences.
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Let's get rid of that double negative, shall we?
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People who break the law (can still) care about the consequences.
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So you're agreeing with me? Good job.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164452 is a reply to message #164445] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 13:20 |
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-Gets rid of dealers, and thus a supposed source terrorist funding
-Saves money on FBI and DEA funding
-Allows police to focus on crimes that are actually dangerous to the public
-Has medicinal qualities
-Could possibly bring in more revenue through taxation
-People are more likely to do pot than harder drugs if it is readily available (as seen in data of drug use in areas that have legalized or decriminalized marijuana)
Your comparison doesn't even work, either. It's more like having battery and murder legal while assault being illegal.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164455 is a reply to message #164286] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 13:39 |
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Medicinal qualities? Quoi? The only "medicinal quality" is the painkiller, which, in reality, isn't really. If it was, then the marijuana would not be considered safe at all due to it would have to interact with your synapses in the nerves and cause them to misfire-- very similar to what ASA and other painkillers do. Not only that, the misuse of marijuana, like tylonal or aspirine, would cause your liver to plotz when it's trying to clean up the nerve agent. In reality, MJ just tells your brain to stop thinking about the pain. That in itself is a very dangerous quality of the drug. It causes your brain to misinterpret signals with in your own body.
That's not even to say what you're doing to your lungs. You're smoking something. There is a physical interaction between the alveoli in the lungs and the substance that is being inhaled.
Let me draw up a very valid and similar comparison. When you burn, say, a twig, there are certain chemicals released as a result of the combustion. Twigs, like the leaves of pot, are made up of pretty much the same stuff minus of course the mind altering drug laced within. All plants are made up of the same basic stuff, C6H12O6, CO2 (aq), O2 (aq), and various other chemicals.
When you smoke pot, you're directly and completely inhaling the result of combusting glucose. And considering the very small amount of actual combustion happening, you get very dangerous results. When you combust glucose, you get CO2 and H20. But you also get incomplete combustion, and quite a lot of it. Which means your body is directly and intentionally inhaling litres of CO (g), which is highly toxic.
Similarily, many of the chemicals that are in both tobacco (not cigarettes) are also in pot leaves. When these combust, they also go directly into your lungs. This includes VERY dangerous things to combust and breathe in, like starch.
You know, there are real health risks that make doctors reluctant to give out medicinal marijuana. I guaruntee you those are at the top of the list.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164458 is a reply to message #164418] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 13:42 |
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Also, if you agree that drug lords are an enormous problem in Latin America, why are you doing your part to support them by purchasing their products?| "SEAL" |
That's why I think it should be legal. Put one and one together for Christ's sake.
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So you would let pot come before your hate of Big Drug dealers? Sounds like an addiction. Tell me, when and if you have kids(if because pot will ruin your life if you don't quit soon) would you want them to do it?
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Yeah, you'd know.
I mean, your drug dealer is a trustworthy guy, right?
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I've smoked WITH my dealer all the time and I've known him for many years (way before he was even a dealer). He's really friendly and looks out for me all the time. So yes, he is a trustworthy guy. Thanks for asking.
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cool, can I borrow some money?
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You can bet that the "big tabacco" companies that start making it will add nicotine. Instant addiction. That, combined with the mental effects, will make it worse than tabacco over a short period of time.
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I've thought about this a lot, actually. Companies add things to tobacco because smoking tobacco by itself sucks. It's not smooth, it tastes gross, and it does almost nothing to you (for the record, I don't smoke tobacco or like to). Smoking marijuana by itself is just fine--no additives required. People who smoke pot WANT pure pot. If companies started putting other stuff in the pot, people would most likely switch to a pure source (street dealers, or alternative companies).
Let's not forget the millions and millions of dollars that would be saved on FBI and DEA funding. I'm assuming if it were ever to become legal, it would be taxed heavily like alcohol and tobacco, providing even more revenue for the goverment.
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Who cares about money when we have a country full of mindless Zombies to lazy to work or provide for the families they have. Some of my friends have already ruined their lives because of their obsession with this drug. Now one of them doesnt go to college and spent the last 6 months in rehabilitation after getting a woman pregnant. If I could legally break the legs of his drug dealer, I would.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164464 is a reply to message #164286] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 15:07 |
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I'm still waiting to see a non-pothead advocating it being legalized... those of us who choose not to pollute our lungs and minds with that crud would prefer everyone stay off it.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164468 is a reply to message #164452] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 15:17 |
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| SEAL wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 16:20 |
-Gets rid of dealers, and thus a supposed source terrorist funding
-Saves money on FBI and DEA funding
-Allows police to focus on crimes that are actually dangerous to the public
-Has medicinal qualities
-Could possibly bring in more revenue through taxation
-People are more likely to do pot than harder drugs if it is readily available (as seen in data of drug use in areas that have legalized or decriminalized marijuana)
Your comparison doesn't even work, either. It's more like having battery and murder legal while assault being illegal.
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- Won't get rid of dealers, they'll just move on to something else. The drug scene isn't "I want to give weed to the world", it's "I want to make money".
- Won't save money, it will just be diverted to other areas of operation. But then the same could be said if people stopped using Marijuana.
- People not touching Marijuana would also allow police to concentrate on other areas.
- You don't need to legalize "public useage" of marijuana on order for it to be given medically.
- Legalizing all drugs could bring in even more tax dollars! Lets use this as a reason for allow cocaine to be legal again!
- Irrelevent. "Lets do something legal and get high, instead of doing something illegal!" I bet you'd get similar results if you made Speed legal, and Marijuana remained illegal.
In short, all things could be solved by people NOT using it, so why are those arguements used to suport using it?
My comparison doesn't work? You're saying that actually hitting someone/killing them is better than threatening to hit them? The comparison works fine. What you are doing is trying to make the comparison of assault= marijuana and battery/murder = tobacco/alcohol. What you are failing to do is use what I am actually comparing. That being legalizing something simply because it "does less harm".
Edit: just as a further comment to continue what gbull wrote. Inagine how much MORE money you could have saved by not smoking Marijuana.
I don't know the exact figures, so lets make some up. Say one roll costs $2.00. You start when you're 21, and smoke 1 a day for the rest of your life. Lets say you live to be 70.
70-21= 49 years at 1/day.
49*365= 17,885 rolls smoked at $2.00 a roll.
17,885*$2.00= $35,770.00 spent on Marijuana.
I'd rather get a car.
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| Re: Marijuana legalization [message #164474 is a reply to message #164286] |
Wed, 27 July 2005 15:40 |
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warranto -- you are the best debater ever... I'd even say you're the master debater and a cunning linguist. (there's really a compliment in there somewhere)
We're in the process of trying to get rid of cigarette smoking, by banning it from more and more public places. Legalizing marijuana just seems like a HUGE step in the opposite direction. I do NOT FUCKING want your secondhand pot smoke, and I bet there are MILLIONS who feel the same way.
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