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We're happy to announce Minax71 as a new official Blackhand Studios member. Please welcome Minax71 to the team!

Minax71 is a proficient coder with knowledge of many programming languages, and we think that he will make a good addition to our team. Minax71 is currently in charge of the new "renVis" project.

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Hello everyone,

after Mac succesfuly lured me into BHS, I feel very happy to be "on board"!

A bit about my personal Renegade history: I started playing Renegade during the first demo days, a couple of weeks before the full version came out (maybe some of you will remember the "T3 Battle" server). After a longer time of abstinence, I'll started playing Renegade again when renguard 1.0 came out.

A few words about the project I am currently working on: It is a small tool written in flash actionscript for visualizing C&C Renegade games in a normal web page and/or as a stand-alone version. Input data are the (compressed) server log files. All game servers running SSCP1 already have those, so the replay of even older games is possible as long as those are archived! Right now it supports only "replay" of former games, but "Live view" is already in planing.

For the moment, I have a few appetizer-screenshots from the beta version for you. All of them are real screenshots from a web page, nothing 'shoped here Wink


http://www.blackhand-studios.org/renvis/2005_07_27_screeny053_1.jpg
A typical start on Hourglass.


http://www.blackhand-studios.org/renvis/2005_07_27_screeny053_2.jpg
GDI tries a rush with medium tanks ...


http://www.blackhand-studios.org/renvis/2005_07_27_screeny053_3.jpg
... but fails, NoD defends to well.


http://www.blackhand-studios.org/renvis/2005_07_27_screeny053_4.jpg
At this time, four maps are supported: Hourglass, Complex, Walls and Island.



Thats all for now - stay tuned for the public beta (ETA 7-14 days).

MfG;
Minax71

PS: Thanks to Crimson for the map backgrounds as well as to Buggy for some vehicle GFX, which were very useful for making the sketch gfx used for the replay. And of course, many thanks to Mac for the logfiles!
PPS: renVis might not be the final name. However if the word means something very rude in swedish or any other language, please let me know Wink


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awesome
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Renardin6 wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 08:54

awesome

Very.


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I've been Nodbuggered. =( =( =(
Re: Announcing new BHS Member Minax71 / renVis announcement post [message #164414 is a reply to message #164383] Wed, 27 July 2005 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Looks great. Only one thing missing for the live view version, a "join server" button Smile
Re: Announcing new BHS Member Minax71 / renVis announcement post [message #164417 is a reply to message #164383] Wed, 27 July 2005 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Like said it looks awesome, but I want to ask something, how will this work? Will this be for server owners only or can normal people also see it?

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Reminds me to work on RS lol

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I think I have to change my pants.

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Silent Kane wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 13:02

Reminds me to work on RS lol

RS?


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renVis's datasource are saved gamelog files. gamelog is something I added to SSAOW more than a year ago to provide kill information and other gameplay information to brenbot. but gamelog contains much more information than that, it contains every single movement and character purchase made in a game. renVis uses this info to graphically represent the game.

now you know why those files were so big Smile
there will be a browser-php script which reads all your archived gamelog files and displays some brief details about it (ie map, players, total gametime) and gives you the option to replay this round.

live play works similiar, but it accesses the gamelog.txt file directly which SSAOW writes. nothing more is needed.


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Ma1kel wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 12:13

Like said it looks awesome, but I want to ask something, how will this work? Will this be for server owners only or can normal people also see it?


Its for all people of course. The server owner just needs to keep the logfiles. So basicaly, the server owner decides which games can be viewed as replay and which not.

MfG;
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Ma1kel wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 13:39

Silent Kane wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 13:02

Reminds me to work on RS lol

RS?


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That really looks Über!
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Me and franco have been looking for a live view thing for the EC website. This is awesome. Nice work Thumbs Up
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It looks great and is a nice "toy" for server owners. Only remark i have, but this is something that should be handled by the server owners, is that someone who's in the game could cheat using this little toy as he sees whatever happens on the map. Like I said: that's a server owner - problem...

Will this ask even more CPU of the server and will it ask lots of bandwith? Does it need to be on the same server as the FDS and Brenbot is/are? These are important questions because most problems server owners have now are CPU-problems.

Looking at the screenshots, it seems neately programmed though. Nice!


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I really like the idea of this and I cant wait till its released, but I would think this only be used by server owners? as normal players like me would use it to spy as we play?
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This is a tool for a server owner. He can put it up on the webpage to allow users to replay played matches (we will be providing a "match browser" for that) and also a live view that allows users to spectate the current game.

One compressed input file has about 500k, and all processing is done on the client. Thus, it does not affect the SFPS or performance of the server computer.

It should also be possible to host it on another computer, since all it does is to read files. As long as you can provide direct access to the logfiles.

About the "spy" issue. The live view will have some sort of small delay (like 5-10 secs) which defeats the idea.


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mac wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 09:54

About the "spy" issue. The live view will have some sort of small delay (like 5-10 secs) which defeats the idea.


Or to be more precise: The server owner can decide a) if he allows live-view at all and b) the "delay" for the replay (e.g. 10 seconds or 2 minutes). A player can not watch a live match as long as the server owner doesnt turn that feature on.

And yes, it is absolutely possible that replay host and gameserver are on different machines. All that the replay server has to do is indeed sending the compressed log files, which differ in size. The biggest one currently is 418 KB. Original size was > 10 MB btw. It might be possible to get them even smaller.

Minax71


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Will the program be able to recognize server side modifications? (like adding Turrets/Guard Towers to a map)

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Cool! Do you think there will be some kind of mod support?

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Ma1kel wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 17:54

Will the program be able to recognize server side modifications? (like adding Turrets/Guard Towers to a map)


Yes. Basicaly the player can visualize every replay, even of complete new or unknown maps. In this case, there will be no background picture - but you still see the building positions and the moving units / vehicles.

The player itself triest to detect the map by the position of the buildings and dynamicaly loads the correct background picture if the map is recognized. It will be possible to add your own map bg-pictures on your own server - or I can add them to the oficial version when somone sends me the screenshot (I might need some more help at this point anyway, right now I have only the "official" renegade maps, for example I have no overview pictures of fieldTS or the aircraft killer maps).

EXdeath7 wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 00:45

Cool! Do you think there will be some kind of mod support?


What kind of ?

MfG;
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Could you make it possible that we add those backgrounds ourselves (server owners)? Then I can test my 1337 paint skills on it! ^^

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Goztow wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 03:31

Could you make it possible that we add those backgrounds ourselves (server owners)? Then I can test my 1337 paint skills on it! ^^


Hmm, to make that possible I'd had to remove it first and re-add it again. In other words; it is in fact already implemented Smile

MfG;
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PS: You do not even need to be a server owner to work on map backgrounds; all you need is the renVis player and a log file. For example, some servers might put their game log files of the recent 14 days for public download.


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I'm gonna send you a PM with the backgrounds for all standard maps.

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Minax71 wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 03:03


EXdeath7 wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 00:45

Cool! Do you think there will be some kind of mod support?


What kind of ?

MfG;
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Like, Total Conversion modifications. Such as Reborn.


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