Command and Conquer: Renegade Official Forums: Heated Discussions and Debates

Home » General Discussions » Heated Discussions and Debates » OT: Evolution vs Creationism

Show: Today's Messages :: Polls :: Message Navigator

Re: OT: Evolution vs Creationism [message #158996 is a reply to message #158366]

Wed, 08 June 2005 10:27

Sir Phoenixx
Messages: 2510
Registered: February 2003
Location: Behind You!

Karma: 0

General (2 Stars)

Quote:

No proteins or sugars, though, and this was after a week of running a continuous discharge of 60,000 volts of electricity with the supposed gases of the early Earth atmosphere in a concentrated place.

A lightning bolt can generate around 1 billion volts (at least one or two hundred million volts) of electricity, and produces heat at about 50,000 degrees fahrenheit.

Unless you can find a way to shoot a billion volts through the water then the test is no where near accurate enough.

.:Red Alert: A Path Beyond Modeler:.
E-mail: sirphoenixx@gmail.com
AIM: Sir Phoenixx
ICQ: 339325768
MSN: sirphoenixx@hotmail.com
Yahoo: sirphoenix86
If anyone needs any help with using 3dsmax, or gmax feel free to contact me.
My Gallery: sir-phoenixx.deviantart.com/gallery

[Updated on: Wed, 08 June 2005 10:27]

Report message to a moderator

Re: OT: Evolution vs Creationism [message #159030 is a reply to message #158366]

Wed, 08 June 2005 14:39

Doitle
Messages: 1723
Registered: February 2003
Location: Chicago, IL

Karma: 0

General (1 Star)
Moderator/Captain

Well Pheonix it's not all that difficult to put out that kind of power. The amount of energy utilized in some of the worlds largest super colliders, are much much much much higher than that.

And to SFE. That is a valid observation. The idea with not being able to "Touch" anything however is the first thing I said, not the planck length. You are correct however that if your a planck length away from something it is like your there since there is no inside. But realisticaly, at that point you are both there, and infinately far away... So that observation kinda destroys itself. What I was saying earlier about touching. Is when you feel something, you are feeling the force it's atoms exert on your atoms by way of electronegativity. We don't actually touch anything.

http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1285726594

Report message to a moderator

Re: OT: Evolution vs Creationism [message #159033 is a reply to message #159030]

Wed, 08 June 2005 14:55

Sir Phoenixx
Messages: 2510
Registered: February 2003
Location: Behind You!

Karma: 0

General (2 Stars)

Doitle wrote on Wed, 08 June 2005 17:39

Well Pheonix it's not all that difficult to put out that kind of power. The amount of energy utilized in some of the worlds largest super colliders, are much much much much higher than that.

I didn't say that we aren't able to create the much energy, I said that a lightning bolt creates much, much more energy then just 60,000 volts, making the experiment very innacurate.

Is it possible to create a discharge of electricty (as in the discharge produced by a tesla coil) powerful enough to match that of a lightning bolt?

(In a super collider, the energy comes from particles colliding at extremely high speeds, right?)

Report message to a moderator

Re: OT: Evolution vs Creationism [message #159034 is a reply to message #158366]

Wed, 08 June 2005 15:00

Doitle
Messages: 1723
Registered: February 2003
Location: Chicago, IL

Karma: 0

General (1 Star)
Moderator/Captain

No the energy comes from superconducting electromagnets which are probably millions of times as powerful as a lightning bolt. lol Supercolliders are absolutely rediculous. I wouldn't be surprised if one day just the Earth lost a big bite out of it because of a accident at one. and the chunk just floated off and the people on it were like... "Oh Shi brb".

I do see your point though. You aren't saying we can't create lightning, your saying the experiment was conducted with less than lightning right?

[Updated on: Wed, 08 June 2005 15:01]

Report message to a moderator

Re: OT: Evolution vs Creationism [message #159036 is a reply to message #158366]

Wed, 08 June 2005 15:15

Sir Phoenixx
Messages: 2510
Registered: February 2003
Location: Behind You!

Karma: 0

General (2 Stars)

Yeah. Using an electrical discharge with about 3,000 to 16,000 times less energy then that of a lightning bolt, to try to prove that lightning can't do something, doesn't work.

That'd be like me trying to prove that bullets can't penetrate skin by shooting my arm with a small airsoft gun. Smile

Report message to a moderator

Re: OT: Evolution vs Creationism [message #159037 is a reply to message #159034]

Wed, 08 June 2005 15:15

SuperFlyingEngi
Messages: 1756
Registered: November 2003

Karma: 0

General (1 Star)

1,000,000 x 2,000,000 = 2,000,000,000,000 volts?

That's a lot of power. Are you sure you've got the right number there?

On the topic of power, cool statistic - 10% of all humanity's produced power goes toward nitrogen fixation. Now, who can tell me what nitrogen fixation is used for?

EDIT: This new message board is getting on my nerves.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

The Liberal Media At Work
An objective look at media partisanship

[Updated on: Wed, 08 June 2005 15:15]

Report message to a moderator

Re: OT: Evolution vs Creationism [message #159038 is a reply to message #158366]

Wed, 08 June 2005 15:21

Sir Phoenixx
Messages: 2510
Registered: February 2003
Location: Behind You!

Karma: 0

General (2 Stars)

Quote:

1,000,000 x 2,000,000 = 2,000,000,000,000 volts?

That's a lot of power. Are you sure you've got the right number there?

What are you talking about? Lol, and where did you get those numbers from?

Report message to a moderator

Re: OT: Evolution vs Creationism [message #159046 is a reply to message #159037]

Wed, 08 June 2005 16:42

Toolstyle
Messages: 215
Registered: May 2004
Location: Manchester

Karma: 0

Recruit

SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Wed, 08 June 2005 18:15

Now, who can tell me what nitrogen fixation is used for?

Nitrogen fixation is used to make inorganic atmospheric Nitrogen into organic Nitrogen making Ammonia (NH3), this is nitrified to Nitrites (N02), which can be used as fertilisers but is usually further nitrified to Nitrates (N03) which can be absorbed easier by plants so makes better fertilisers. Plants then use the nitrogen to make DNA and Amino Acids, bringing us nicely back to the topic in hand. Were Amino Acids created from the Primordial Soup?

Aircraftkiller

That's irrelevant to this thread.

Common fallacies of logic and rhetoric:
Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument.

Report message to a moderator

Re: OT: Evolution vs Creationism [message #159058 is a reply to message #159038]

Wed, 08 June 2005 18:42

SuperFlyingEngi
Messages: 1756
Registered: November 2003

Karma: 0

General (1 Star)

Sir Phoenixx wrote on Wed, 08 June 2005 18:21

Quote:

1,000,000 x 2,000,000 = 2,000,000,000,000 volts?

That's a lot of power. Are you sure you've got the right number there?

What are you talking about? Lol, and where did you get those numbers from?

Doitle said particle accelerators were millions of times as powerful as lightning bolts. I didn't quote his post because you posted when I was typing.

And toolstyle wins the prize.

Report message to a moderator