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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157314] |
Sun, 29 May 2005 10:39   |
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NukeIt15
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I prefer Mediums for their maneuverability. If I get half a chance, though, I'll take a Light instead. Both can evade shots at medium to long range- a Mammoth just has to soak it up. It is also easier to AIM using a Medium or Light- the Mammoth's aiming reticle changes every time it fires, to adjust for the other barrel. The Mammoth may be better at killing infantry at medium ranges, but I've gotten more kills on infantry in Medium and Light tanks due to the single, fixed aimpoint.
If I'm camping somewhere, though, the Mammoth is a better option- it has that all-important self healing ability, which (although useless on its own) speeds repairs and keeps the vehicle up at the front where it can do the most damage. Supporting engineers can hide behind it and be better protected from sniper attacks. Its sheer bulk keeps anything from being able to simply shove past it to break the line. And, obviously, it puts out enough firepower to make it a real thorn in the enemy's side. Less obviously, a friendly MRLS can hide behind it turned sideways, partially protected from enemy fire, and shell enemy positions without having to worry as much about return fire. It's the only player-controllable unit in the game that can actually act as mobile cover for other vehicles- never underestimate that.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157325] |
Sun, 29 May 2005 12:37 |
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Another interesting question: N00bjet VS normal Sniper rifle.
Wich one do you prefer?
At beginning, I was more fan of the n00bjet. But you can hide better with the sniper rifle. I mean, nobody see from where you shoot and that's important. Shooting with n00bjet is like saying: "hey I am here, shoot me!!!"
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157362] |
Sun, 29 May 2005 17:01 |
Kanezor
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At beginning, I was more fan of the n00bjet. But you can hide better with the sniper rifle. I mean, nobody see from where you shoot and that's important. Shooting with n00bjet is like saying: "hey I am here, shoot me!!!"
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157371] |
Sun, 29 May 2005 18:08 |
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NukeIt15
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I don't use sniper weapons, unless I happen to pick one up. I simply suck too badly at sniping to be effective with them. And I find n00bjets somewhat offensive due to them being extremely overpowered. If I need that much firepower, I'll take a Railgun or PIC.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157376] |
Sun, 29 May 2005 18:31 |
flyingfox
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It's the only player-controllable unit in the game that can actually act as mobile cover for other vehicles- never underestimate that.
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I once posted on the pits forum that I hid behind a mammoth with my MRLS on city fly to protect myself from sniper fire on the other side of the bridge, and they just laughed and thought it was a dumb idea. funny thing is, they (the sakuras) were unable to hit me behind the mammoth and it shown useful because my missiles destroyed a few vehicles, hurt others and taking out an aircraft with an MRLS's seeking missiles is the most awesome thing, but it rarely happens because of the snipers' damage to the mrls. it's great when people take the piss out of an idea you've just proven works...it's like winning a boxing match and have the loser of the game say "dude, you suck"
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157388] |
Sun, 29 May 2005 19:27 |
Danchicken
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Knowing how to use the tank (Mammoth Tank in context) is different from knowing how to use a tank (Using all tanks properly including controls). For feigning intelligence, you're dumb as hell.
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Shut up you beligerent tosspot
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OMFG!!! U ARE A NEWB! TO INSULT SOME1 AS HIGH A RANK AS AIRCRAFTKILLER! YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE A NEWB OR TRYING TO GET YOURSELF INTO TROUBLE!
sry bout all caps, just very upset some1 dont appreciate aircraftkiller's work!
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157446] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 05:41 |
Jzinsky
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Knowing how to use the tank (Mammoth Tank in context) is different from knowing how to use a tank (Using all tanks properly including controls). For feigning intelligence, you're dumb as hell.
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Shut up you beligerent tosspot
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OMFG!!! U ARE A NEWB! TO INSULT SOME1 AS HIGH A RANK AS AIRCRAFTKILLER! YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE A NEWB OR TRYING TO GET YOURSELF INTO TROUBLE!
sry bout all caps, just very upset some1 dont appreciate aircraftkiller's work!
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Never questioned anyone's work, just get a little annoyed at perdantic people. Yes he's been here since the beta and no-one else has. So what? Because I put THE tank instead of A tank I'm as dumb as hell? Because I say Harvy, obi, wf, ref, hand, Nod/nod/NOD, noob and whatever else that gets abbrevieated the next post is off mr official Renegade dictionary reminding me how it's written in the book (the book that I've never even looked in btw). It's just asking for flaming, and it always happens.
I mean what is the point in reminding me TWICE that "It's the Obelisk Of Light, not the obi" in subsequent posts?
Of course I'm a newb, I've been here about a year and a half. Oh and of course I'm trying to get in trouble by insulting someone with as high a rank as Aircraftkiller, because to start with he did it first, and with the pisspoor excuse of I mistyped one bloody word and it didn't make sense in his rigid 1950's grammar, and secondly does anyone care to explain what my prevoius insult means? (I'm going to get loads of Brits tellingme now...)
No flashy signature..
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157452] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 06:03 |
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The mammoth tank would primarily be useful in non base defence maps (ie volcano) That is because it's a rush tank and there is a minimal distance between each base. Other than that take a med tank or any tank against a mammy and it would kill the mammoth simply because of the fact you can manuever easily enough to repair for a bit and go back and shooting at the mammy. While if the mammoth tank was low health it can't exactly "hide from view" from an arty or med. As for taking an engineer with a mammoth tank, that just proves its uselessness on base defence maps. It's pretty obvious you would rather have 2 meds than 1 mammy and one repair.
For my personal opinion I would only buy a mammoth tank if I thought my team was in their base (like on complex). Only sometimes, by the time my med dies, and I saw some med tanks in their base. I'll buy my mammy and drive it in but find that the med tanks that were in their base are now dead - So I just wasted my 1500 dollars on a unit that's going to get raped by everyone on Nod. Whilst if i was a med tank I can at least get some more points/money and at least keep a side from being overrun by enemies...
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157477] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 10:46 |
sibilla6
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I never liked the Mammoth tank in Renegade. It has a horrible RoF compared to the original Tiberian Dawn. It does have some good armor, but it can be ambushed because the lack of the ability to retreat. And it's rocket lauchers are useless.
I rather stay with the Medium Tank. If I ever really used a Mammoth Tank, it was on Renegade Alert, which have a proper version of the tank.
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157479] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 11:15 |
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NukeIt15
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The rockets are useless? Explain how. They have only slightly reduced range compared to the cannons, do shitloads of damage, and have some tracking ability. It is a shame they can't be fired simultaneously with the main guns, but that doesn't make them useless.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157491] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 12:18 |
flyingfox
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The mammoth tank would primarily be useful in non base defence maps (ie volcano)
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?? why? the mammoth is good on both defense and non defense games. If anything, they back the AGT up well. And the mammoth is too slow to be a rush tank most of the time, except in hourglass, or when there are already people duelling the counterattacks.
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157500] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 13:06 |
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Sniper_De7
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City Flying - The mammoth tanks are so slow and so immobile that they generally never make it to the enemy base unless covered by a sniper
Mesa - too big of a target, the arty can hit it while not be hit by it back and even if the right or left turret does hit the mammy one tech can repair it fast enough while one hotwire cannot repair a mammoth tank whilst the arty shoots at it.
Field - too big of target and too slow. If i was Nod I would hit the easiest tank to shoot at first and that would generally mean the mammoth as it's so big and slow. Not to mention you can easily get out of view from a mammoth.
Under - again too big and slow, even though GDI has big advantage on that map anyways with just meds...
Hourglass - The only useful purpose in this would be to stop hill camping. I'm not even sure if the mammoth tank can fire both shells and hit the ob (on the side) without being hit by it because of it's big "torso". So yeah mammys would be good for over the hill but generally if Nod isn't stupid they won't abandon the sides. The fact remains that in almost any situation the med tank is the most useful tank for GDI. The arty is the backbone for Nod. Take away one or the other and you lose the point of getting tanks
And yes, it is a slow tank. That is why I said it is mostly best to have a mammoth tank rush when you have some tanks already in their base. It's there primarily for strength. You'll need them if you want to try and kill a building filled with techs.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157506] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 13:31 |
flyingfox
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What you say about a tech beating the hurt rate on the arty - not true, as I was destroying artillery on Snow at a faster rate than their tech repaired. It was easy, all my shells hit, the only tough bit was I had to hit it at an FPS rate of 6. :stern:
all of those reasons are hypothetical in that the mammoth will always come up 1 on 1 with an enemy whom is very mobile and far away. when i'm a mammoth, i don't have trouble hitting them. the only trouble I will ever have is on field when there are light tanks that are quite far away, but everyone knows a good light driver is a pain to hit and with shells firing at a rate of about twice that of a light's, you'll be hitting the light more.
i'm going to play some ren later tonight and take some fraps videos if it doesn't give me bad FPS. we'll see who wins most of the battles with a mammoth
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157534] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 15:37 |
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Sniper_De7
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What I'm saying is. If you're an arty on Mesa and inside your base and you're not a complete moron you'll be in a position where only the left or right turrets of the mammoth can hit the arty. it may be true that it would go down slowly with a tech if it only hit with one of it's turrets every time. Position yourself in the mammys perspective and you're after the pillar you first see - now the arty is hanging on the power side with just it's back end hanging out. your left turret would be able to hit it because as you see that art you are looking from the center perspective. So the left turret would hit it - but the right turret would not because from the right turrets perspective teh wall would be right in its way. You can also think of it like this. You're a soldier and you're right handed, you see a person around a corner to the right. Only your eyes can see the person because it is more to the left. Now if you brought that rifle to where your eyes are you could be able to shoot the soldier. Similarily if you can shoot from the center of the mammoth you could shoot the arty.
And because you can kill any arty doesn't mean much. You have to take in mind that it more so depends on the person driving the tank than the tank itself. in almost any case you can easily beat any person who doesn't know how to drive a vehicle. Heck, it aint that hard to kill stealth tanks/arties etc with humvees if you know the weaknesses.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| medium [message #157561] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 18:11 |
Gdiguy45
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i agree with the people who say the medium tank IS the tank, people who say that mammy tanks are better at attacking and killing infrantry only have half the story, a few raveshaws can take out a mammy quikely, and if the infrantry is almost touching the tank its almost impossible to kill the man until he has layed c4 and done considerable damage, with medium tanks manuverability it can run over close range infrantry and escape long range. Mammys are also bullet magnets when i was attacking the tiberian refinary at Islands map once 3 flame infrantry were shootin me from behind before i could kill them i had lost considerable damage, a similar sinario at mesa when i was driving a medium i ran over the infrantry True 2 mammys with engi. r a better defence than more mediums They are ALMOST always useless in rushes they are only good in rushes if your teamates already have a strong hold in the enemys base. My opinion
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| Re: medium [message #157594] |
Mon, 30 May 2005 20:57 |
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i agree with the people who say the medium tank IS the tank, people who say that mammy tanks are better at attacking and killing infrantry only have half the story, a few raves can take out a mammy quikly, and if the infrantry is almost touching the tank its almost impossible to kill the man until he has layed c4 and done considerable damage, w/ medium tanks manuferability it can run over close range inf. and escape long range. Mammys are also bullet magnets when i wuz attacking the tr at Islands map once 3 flamers were shootin me from behind before i cud kill them i had lost considerable damage, a similar sinario at mesa when i was driving a med. i ran over the inf. True 2 mammys w/ engi. r a better def. than more med.s They are ALMOST always useless in rushes they r only good in rushes if your teamates already hav a strong hold in the enemys base. My opinion
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Infantry. Raves. Mammy. Infantry. C4. With. Manuverabilty. Infantry... Well, no i cant hit the inf. one. Was. Tiberium Refinery/Refinery. Could. Scenario. With. Engineer. Are. Mediums. Are. Have. Later.
Those were the spelling problems i found. I dont usually correct spelling, but dear god that was horrible. Its a Forum, not Renegade. You arent limited on words, so spell everything out. Or atleast dont use that L33T shit. I mean, really, you aint four. And even if you are, this is a Forum, not the middle of a fast paced game. I accept it in that circumstance, but only because of the fact that its fast paced. And also: READ A DICTIONARY! Right then, Medium Vs Mammoth. Well, i agree that Mammoths are mostly useless in almost every scenario, the ones you listed(Rush, Defence, Hold the Line, and Mop Up) they are quite effective at killing Infantry. And actually, the Missiles aint supposed to be used to kill Vehicles(I hit really fast moving ones anyway) or Buildings. They're Anti-Infantry weapons, almost useless against Vehicles and Buildings. Hell, ive greatly wounded a Mammoth with a basic soldier because the driver used the Shells. All you need to do is randomly strafe, dodge the tank when it comes to "squick" you, and fire alot. Not smart when there are even two of them, because they can get behind you, and "squick" you, before you know they're there. I generally dont get Mammys unless im in a rush, and i really only do that on Nod, with Stealth Tanks. I feel that the Mediums are much more reliable, as far as having one back you up. I mean, really, if your getting attacked by a bunch of Stealth Tanks, what would you rather have backing you up? A Mammoth, or a Medium? Hell, two Mediums backing you up can kill a whole group of Stealth Tanks, especially if you have something that can reveal them when they Stealth off. Stealth Black Hands are the same way. If you have a group of, like, six Stealth Black Hands chasing you, would you rather have a Mobius, or a Patch? Think about it. Patch's weapon does damage when it hits, AND a short time after. If theyre a long ways off from the base, that little bit can kill them, and the guy who shot them, gets the kill! And, yeah, i actually prefer the Sniper Rifle when trying to stay concealed. If im just going to kill a bunch of low level(Soldier, Engineer, Shotgunner, Special) units, then i would grab a Ramjet soldier(I never get Sakura on Nod, even then) and just shoot them with my limited Sniping skill. If i hit, instant kill, otherwise, i shoot again, and again, and once more. Then i reload.
Wayy to long of a post... Nod rules! 
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I've been Nodbuggered. =( =( =(
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| Medium Tank VS. Mammoth Tank [message #157668] |
Tue, 31 May 2005 09:20 |
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Dave Anderson
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It all is a matter of oppinion. I prefer the Medium tank because it is more manuverable and faster and has almost the same firepower. The mammoth "CAN" be a sitting duck on the field. But if used right puts fear into the enemies eyes.
David Anderson
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DCOM Productions
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