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| Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156263] |
Tue, 24 May 2005 18:43   |
Kanezor
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I don't want to live in a world where computers become consious
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It's a common fear among most people. I do not fear conciousness. If the computer truly becomes concious, then it should grow like a human (even if in its own, computer, way). Otherwise, you end up with the same likes of a child having godlike powers: fear the tantrums.
Remember: conciousness isn't intelligence. Intelligence cannot be learned or programmed without dire consequences. It can only be learned.
If the computer learns and grows, it should then also have an attachment to those whom have helped it, and with that attachment, value and possibly share the opinions and values of those whom it values.
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| Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156264] |
Tue, 24 May 2005 18:58 |
flyingfox
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If the computer learns and grows, it should then also have an attachment to those whom have helped it, and with that attachment, value and possibly share the opinions and values of those whom it values.
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Lol! What the fuck are you smoking dude? Cause I want some o' that shit.
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| Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156271] |
Tue, 24 May 2005 19:16 |
flyingfox
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a computer can only take in data, in the sense that you "upload" your brain. all it can do is work with your data. now you're saying, if you can upload a brain you can upload the brain's functions. I highly doubt this, as brains are of such a matter that there's no way of a computer being able to inherit these functions. now I can imagine a computer being able to read brain patterns and hold that data in memory, use that data to decide what action to carry out. Even then it would be a form of AI. I do not imagine a computer ever being able to gain a proper "personality" from a brain, or do anything even close to "respecting a person's opinions". that's just insane, dude.
similarly, if a computer were able to use a brain in such a complex way, then we are all essentially acting on a form of AI, since our AI can be used by a computer to do everything we are able to do. No way. a computer cannot start taking in data and respecting peoples' beliefs.
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| Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156375] |
Wed, 25 May 2005 11:45 |
Kanezor
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a computer can only take in data, in the sense that you "upload" your brain. all it can do is work with your data. now you're saying, if you can upload a brain you can upload the brain's functions. I highly doubt this, as brains are of such a matter that there's no way of a computer being able to inherit these functions. now I can imagine a computer being able to read brain patterns and hold that data in memory, use that data to decide what action to carry out. Even then it would be a form of AI. I do not imagine a computer ever being able to gain a proper "personality" from a brain, or do anything even close to "respecting a person's opinions". that's just insane, dude.
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While you do have a good point, I do believe it to be flawed. Our minds are governed by the laws of physics, as are any machine we create. While our minds may currently operate faster and on a higher level of intricacy than any machine counterpart of current or near future times, is it not possible to create an item of interest that can emulate that, even if it causes the functions to run slower?
How do you know that an A.I. would not do anything even close to respecting a person's opinions? It's not insane.
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similarly, if a computer were able to use a brain in such a complex way, then we are all essentially acting on a form of AI, since our AI can be used by a computer to do everything we are able to do. No way. a computer cannot start taking in data and respecting peoples' beliefs.
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Who's to say that we are not acting on a form of AI? It seems to me like your mind is closed to the idea. Sure, it's scary. I'll agree there; it's really scary. The idea of something we creating being able to not only live, but live at a level even halfway close to ours... if not at or higher. However, I'm very confident that it's possible. Maybe not downloading our brains. Maybe not in the near future. But it's certainly a possibility, in my opinion.
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| Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156484] |
Wed, 25 May 2005 17:20 |
Jzinsky
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I remember hearing about the new computer techonology being organic based. Not heard anything else about it for 10 years.
Also yes we should heed the warnings. This is beginning to sound like the matrix. First of all if there is no physical contact in society (such as suggested in the article) then how will reproduction occur? How does physical care for people occur, if everyone's in a virtual world?
Furthermore, I can figure that by this time such a computer could also be self-powered, thus creating a cyborg of sorts. What are they going to do, shoot you? Take you to prison? You're practically invincible
No flashy signature..
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| Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156499] |
Wed, 25 May 2005 18:19 |
Kanezor
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Also yes we should heed the warnings. This is beginning to sound like the matrix. First of all if there is no physical contact in society (such as suggested in the article) then how will reproduction occur? How does physical care for people occur, if everyone's in a virtual world?
Furthermore, I can figure that by this time such a computer could also be self-powered, thus creating a cyborg of sorts. What are they going to do, shoot you? Take you to prison? You're practically invincible
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Yes, heed the warnings.
Who said there would be no physical contact in society? I was under the impression that the virtual world would be there for a business platform, and after you're finished, you'd come to the real world. Realistically, if people start to become engrossed within the virtual world, that's when we'll need to take a step back and think about what we're getting ourselves into. But really, just like Morpheus said in the Matrix (paraphrasing): "What is 'real'? How can you define real? If real is what you can see, smell, taste, and touch, then it is simply electronic signals interpreted by your brain."
Such a computer wouldn't necessarily need to be self-powered, but it would definitely need some sort of emergency power in the event of a brownout or short power outage. Yes, you are creating a cyborg, even if of sorts. A sledgehammer would work well, unless you've been dumb enough to give it automated defences... in which case, you've got bigger problems to think about.
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| Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156506] |
Wed, 25 May 2005 18:44 |
flyingfox
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Our minds are governed by the laws of physics, as are any machine we create. While our minds may currently operate faster and on a higher level of intricacy than any machine counterpart of current or near future times . . .
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then maybe you are correct in that it is possible but such a thing would still only be a set of instructions, albeit a really sophisticated set, but you will never escape that. Although everything is governed by the laws of physics, computers work very differently to brains. I don't think many people know exactly how a computer works, but its logic is, if you go down to the furthest step available in any algorithm, nothing but binary code. A brain on the other hand isn't dealt with in data, or code, it's an organic lifeform. Your body sends it signals when you want to do something, like move your arm or walk.
On the AI side of things, I've saw a movies that've juggled between this theory of making computers that could act as humans. Have you ever seen the movie I, robot (last year) or an earlier one starring robbin williams? The robbin williams one tried to argue that, while the character robbin williams played (a robot) was a machine, he developed feelings and emotions from his current set of code and became the next best thing to a human. 'I, robot' theoried making robots that perform certain tasks, and also tried to say that these robots could become independant from what they were supposed to do. It said in one part of it that in every computer system there existed little segments of code that juggled between doing what the code said, or saying no and doing as desired. I think to get anywhere close to finding out if that's true, you'd have to speak to some of the people that originally created the big computer systems that could only perform much simpler tasks. [these small systems we use now are inherited from the older, large ones. Just look at mobile phones as another example of technology starting out big, bulky and old-tech, but getting smaller and more advanced in what they can do]. One thing we DO know about all of this is that the technology we've got today was possible, even from the earliest days of man. we just had to develop and make it happen.
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| Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156584] |
Thu, 26 May 2005 08:18 |
Kanezor
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Have you ever seen the movie I, robot (last year) or an earlier one starring robbin williams? The robbin williams one tried to argue that, while the character robbin williams played (a robot) was a machine, he developed feelings and emotions from his current set of code and became the next best thing to a human. 'I, robot' theoried making robots that perform certain tasks, and also tried to say that these robots could become independant from what they were supposed to do. It said in one part of it that in every computer system there existed little segments of code that juggled between doing what the code said, or saying no and doing as desired. I think to get anywhere close to finding out if that's true, you'd have to speak to some of the people that originally created the big computer systems that could only perform much simpler tasks. [these small systems we use now are inherited from the older, large ones. Just look at mobile phones as another example of technology starting out big, bulky and old-tech, but getting smaller and more advanced in what they can do]. One thing we DO know about all of this is that the technology we've got today was possible, even from the earliest days of man. we just had to develop and make it happen.
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I, Robot and Bicentennial Man were awesome movies, in my opinion. They both bring up valid points if we were to ever create A.I., or something even close to it (which is, in Bicentennial Man, a machine growing beyond its origional programming, and in I, Robot, a machine thatthinks of something within its origional programming that was unexpected to its designers). While I highly doubt that it's possible for a computer to grow beyond its programming unless it's specifically been designed to do so (eg, self-modifying code), I must admit that it's both a good idea and a bad idea. But then, without a machine that is able to grow, it's never going to truly be an intelligence, is it?
And yes, I agree, just like I've been saying through most of my posts here in this thread: it's possible, even if not here or in the near future. What's even more scary is that the building blocks for such an event are being set, so it's very likely, in my opinion, that it will happen, though probably not in the timetable that most people are theorizing. I'd say a true A.I. that is capable of thinking, growing, and possibly the most important, replication, could be created in 200 or 300 years. Half that once we discover how to use biomechanical processes. Why so long off? Well let's face it: not everybody has the software developer's experience necessary to write the involved code. Whether it's a master's degree in artificial intelligence or a computer hacker with twenty years of experience yet not a single year in high school (and really, those ones are your best ones)... let alone is willing and able to help make such an endeavor come true.
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