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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156019] Mon, 23 May 2005 15:06 Go to next message
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London, England -- By the middle of the 21st century it will be possible to download your brain to a supercomputer, according to a leading thinker on the future.

Ian Pearson, head of British Telecom's futurology unit, told the UK's Observer newspaper that the rapid advances in computing power would make cyber-immortality a reality within 50 years.

Pearson said the launch last week of Sony's PlayStation 3, a machine 35 times more powerful than the model it replaced, was a sign of things to come.

"The new PlayStation is one percent as powerful as the human brain," Pearson told the Observer. "It is into supercomputer status compared to 10 years ago. PlayStation 5 will probably be as powerful as the human brain."

Pearson said that brain-downloading technology would initially be the preserve of the rich, but would become more available over subsequent decades.

"If you're rich enough then by 2050 it's feasible. If you're poor you'll probably have to wait until 2075 or 2080 when it's routine," he said.

"We are very serious about it. That's how fast this technology is moving: 45 years is a hell of a long time in IT."

Pearson also predicted that it would be possible to build a fully conscious computer with superhuman levels of intelligence as early as 2020.

IBM's BlueGene computer can already perform 70.72 trillion calculations a second and Pearson said the next computing goal was to replicate consciousness.

"We're already looking at how you might structure a computer that could become conscious. Consciousness is just another sense, effectively, and that's what we're trying to design in computer."

Pearson said that computer consciousness would make feasible a whole new sphere of emotional machines, such as airplanes that are afraid of crashing.

By 2020 Pearson also predicted the creation of a "virtual world" of immersive computer-generated environments in which we will spend increasing amounts of time, socializing and doing business.

He said: "When technology gives you a life-size 3D image and the links to your nervous system allow you to shake hands, it's like being in the other person's office. It's impossible to believe that won't be the normal way of communicating."

But Pearson admitted that the consequences of advancing technologies needed to be considered carefully.

"You need a complete global debate," he said. "Whether we should be building machines as smart as people is a really big one."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TECH/05/23/brain.download/


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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156027] Mon, 23 May 2005 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156032] Mon, 23 May 2005 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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w00t! i'm saving up for that!
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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156035] Mon, 23 May 2005 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156040] Mon, 23 May 2005 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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im gonna own all you guys when i find you in the matrix lol

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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156042] Mon, 23 May 2005 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pfft. Good luck to them. :rolleyes:

Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156044] Mon, 23 May 2005 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I need a brain upload...
Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156046] Mon, 23 May 2005 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We will be living on the moon by the mid 1980's

Flying cars by 2015

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Why doesn't anyone ever listen to those doomsday movies about sentient robots? IE, The Matrix or Terminator? :-\

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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156053] Mon, 23 May 2005 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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*cough* i, robot*cough*
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CABAL will come in 2050 or so? C&C finaly goes live! Beware of tiberium!

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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156089] Tue, 24 May 2005 00:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it's some pretty wild speculation. He's even speaking of his opinions as fact at a few points. The PS3 being 1% as powerful as the human brain? How powerful is the human brain then?

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More powerful than that IBM Supercomputer quoted.

Way more powerful.
Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156096] Tue, 24 May 2005 02:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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even thought you are right, Dave, what I really meant was, it's not a easy thing to put a figure to the power of the human brain, therefore I think it's ridiculous of him to say that the PS3 is 1% of the human brain.

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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156109] Tue, 24 May 2005 06:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lol this article is funny. I can tell you right now that this won't happen in 50 years. Although PCs have exponentially increased in power, a wall has been hit with PCs and they will not increase in performance as fast as they usedto do for a while.

Yes dual cores are coming out and so on, but the price to performance ratio still doesn't justify it yet. As for downloading your mind into a computer, it would be hard to download tissue into a computer. You can't take an image of a brain, you can't "read" it and upload it. It's extremely absurd.
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As for downloading your mind into a computer, it would be hard to download tissue into a computer. You can't take an image of a brain, you can't "read" it and upload it. It's extremely absurd.
Theoretically, you don't need to. You only need to know the synaptic nodes' connections to each other, and the current values that they hold. You could then create a brain "emulator" and proceed where your brain left off. The precision required for such (both in space and in time, since your brain is ever-changing) would be damn-near impossible, though... at least, in any time soon.
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Lol, the brain is a little more complex than that. People have done experiemnts to find out how the brain holds information. But even now they still can't figure out how the brain couples together information exactly. Let alone read it.
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Downloading your brain wouldn't even be you anyways. It would just be a copy. It's not like you would feel like you were in the computer or anything. What will they have next, Robotic clones?

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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156140] Tue, 24 May 2005 08:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We will be living on the moon by the mid 1980's

Flying cars by 2015

..and on and on.


Heh, and flying cars already exist (well, "sky cars")

http://www.moller.com/skycar/
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Don't count on this happening any time soon.
For humans to be able to copy the brain, wouldn't we have to fully understand it, first? And how can a brain fully understand the complexity of another brain when the two are as complex as each other, or in some cases one more complex than the other?
We don't know nor probably ever will no jack about the brain; it's simply too complex for our own brains to comprehend.


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Brain downloads 'possible by 2050' [message #156162] Tue, 24 May 2005 10:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oblivion165

We will be living on the moon by the mid 1980's

Flying cars by 2015

..and on and on.


Heh, and flying cars already exist (well, "sky cars")

http://www.moller.com/skycar/


They have existed for a long time. The military experimented with flying cars back in the 50s and 60s but you still don't see them in commercial production or out on the street do you?
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look at the link, that one is close to production (albit, it won't be used fully as there is no real regulation system for personal aircraft like that)
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Dude I've seen this car on TV or a earlier model about 4 years ago. They're not going to be coming out any time soon commercially because you simply cannot operate them for a long time or operate them effectively.

It takes a lot of skill to fly one of those things and a lot of fuel.
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4.1. When will M400 be available?
Limited numbers are expected to be available within the next three years. These will be used for marketing demonstrators, special sales, and military applications. A FAA certified model is more than four years away.


I'd say a range of 750 miles with a max speed of 350 mph at 20 miles per gallon fuel consumption (automotive gas) is pretty decent.
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