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US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #15317] Fri, 18 April 2003 05:47 Go to next message
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US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WMDs:
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Retired CIA intelligence analyst Ray McGovern told AFP:
"Some of my colleagues are virtually certain that there will be some weapons of mass destruction found, even though they might have to be planted

04/17/03

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US government should be "embarrassed" over the apparent failure to uncover weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the main justification for going to war, retired intelligence officials said Thursday.

"It's going to be very embarrassing when it turns out they have nothing to declare," said former defense intelligence analyst Eugene Betit.

Another, former CIA station chief Ray Close, said: "I'm hoping they will be embarrassed into acknowledging a role for some independent body. And who could it be but the UN?"

As the "smoking gun" continued to elude US sleuths in Iraq, chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix called for experts to return to the country to determine whether the weapons allegations had any foundation.

Adding to the pressure, Russia, a veto-wielding member of the UN Security Council, said it would not support the lifting of UN sanctions against Iraq unless UN inspectors confirmed the absence of weapons of mass destruction.

But Washington has so far rejected such calls, and US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday sought to deflect concerns that evidence could be planted.

"The (US search) teams have been trained in chain of control, really like a crime scene," Rumsfeld told Pentagon staff Thursday.

He said: "They will have people with them who will validate things, they will have the ability to take pictures, and to make sure that the control over any piece of evidence is as clear as it possibly can be."

Rumsfeld warned however: "That will not stop certain countries, and certain types of people from claiming, inaccurately, that it was planted."

Retired CIA intelligence analyst Ray McGovern told AFP: "Some of my colleagues are virtually certain that there will be some weapons of mass destruction found, even though they might have to be planted.

"I'm just as sure that some few will be found, but not in an amount that by any stretch would justify the charge of a threat against the US or anyone else."

He added: "Even if the planting was discovered by and by, they'll say, 'ok, the weapons were planted -- fine.'"

McGovern said he was alluding to a remark by Secretary of State Colin Powell after it emerged that a letter purporting to show that Iraq had sought to procure uranium from Niger -- a key argument in the case for war and cited in President George W. Bush's January 28 State of the Union address -- was a forgery.

Powell told NBC: "It was the information that we had. We provided it. If that information is inaccurate, fine."

McGovern and 24 other former intelligence officials in the CIA, State and Defense Departments, Army Intelligence and FBI formed a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

They made their first public statement on February 5, critiquing Powell's presentation before the UN Security Council.

CIA spokesman Tom Crispell, asked for comment on the former officials' remarks Thursday, said: "They're criticizing policy, not intelligence."

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US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #15447] Fri, 18 April 2003 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why should we be embarrased? No matter what Saddam was a must to be taken out. And we did find womd.

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US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #15481] Fri, 18 April 2003 22:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's OK, no matter what there will be idiots trying to find something to justify their own uninformed and ignorant views.

They protested the war while we won and lifted the crushing boot of a tyrannical dictator. With the war going so well, they focus on the lack of huge stockpiles of WMD, when they are found they will find some new negative to focus on. When everything is done, and the troops are back, they'll focus on the economy. And when the economy gets better, they'll find something else. Never ending ignorance and stupidity.

Maybe the liberals need to rethink their strategy. It doesn't seem to be doing them much good to mudsling at the President and the Republicans.


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US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #15683] Sat, 19 April 2003 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is the same old 'WE HATE THE USA AND GEORGE BUSH' bullshit.

You people are more than happy to give the UN THOUSANDS of days to search for WMD but only want to give the USA a month or so.

Please. :rolleyes:


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US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #16198] Mon, 21 April 2003 23:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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the search hasn't even started yet and already we've found missles that they weren't supposed to have, they used a remote controlled plane they weren't supposed to have, we've found documents they weren't supposed to have and there have been iraqi scientists who've come forward to say they buried shit right before the attack. they've also said that they've been supporting al queda.
US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #16511] Tue, 22 April 2003 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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when war is immenent...only an idiot would lay down his gun

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US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #16518] Tue, 22 April 2003 23:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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war wasn't imminent at any time. he was supposed to declare weapons by dec. 8. when we saw him lying again, we started building up. we then waited almost 4 months longer before attacking. all along we told him come clean or be attacked. at any time he could have come forth and said "ok, i want what's best, here is what you wanted"
he didn't do that, instead he continued his same old bullshit.
personally, i don't care if he had the weapons or not... we should have attacked simply because of what he was doing to his people. hell, milosevic(sp?) did far less to his people and yet clinton was "justified" in attacking him.
if ther were no oil in iraq, would the tree huggers still be complaining about the war? my opinion is... NO!
they complained only because we have a republican president and ther is oil in iraq so they can use it as an excuse to complain about the guy they don't want in office.
US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #16527] Wed, 23 April 2003 01:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm one of your "tree huggers" and guess what. I know the war isn't about oil. He didn't do anything to his own people...the Kurds aren't his people...that's like saying Hitler was killing his own people when he killed the Jewish people in Europe

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They live in Iraq, therefore they're his people.

Dumbass.
US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WM [message #16567] Wed, 23 April 2003 08:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm one of your "tree huggers" and guess what. I know the war isn't about oil. He didn't do anything to his own people...the Kurds aren't his people...that's like saying Hitler was killing his own people when he killed the Jewish people in Europe


Like ACK said there live there. Many of those jews lived in Germany. Spread thoughout Europe but many were German citizens.


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I'm one of your "tree huggers" and guess what. I know the war isn't about oil. He didn't do anything to his own people...the Kurds aren't his people...that's like saying Hitler was killing his own people when he killed the Jewish people in Europe


Lol.. I bow down to your great skill at saying the dumbest comments possible.

No, It would be like saying Hitler was killing his own people when he killed German Jews.


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I'm one of your "tree huggers" and guess what. I know the war isn't about oil. He didn't do anything to his own people...the Kurds aren't his people...that's like saying Hitler was killing his own people when he killed the Jewish people in Europe

so many others have already responded to this exercise in idiocy but i still feel i must as well.
the kurds ARE his people idiot. as are the shiites in the south and the olympic athletes who were tortured after losing, as were the soldiers unfortunate enough to survive any battle lost against iran, as were the political prisoners tortured to death in prisons.
duke, i've never thought you were very bright, but this is the first time you've proven to me that you arre just fucking stupid :rolleyes: i'm hoping this was only temporary stupidity. if not, please be sure to never reproduce.
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He didn't do anything to his own people...


Oh yeah, I didn't catch that part...

So the entire country of Iraq is lying? Even though there's millions of witnesses and evidence, the regime didn't tortue or do anything to any of his people. Yeah, right...

If I had a dime for every I.Q. point you don't have, I'd be a millionaire by now!


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Duke of Nukes

I'm one of your "tree huggers" and guess what. I know the war isn't about oil. He didn't do anything to his own people...the Kurds aren't his people...that's like saying Hitler was killing his own people when he killed the Jewish people in Europe
:rolleyes:

Just when you think the IQ scale can't go in to the (-) negatives... Duke comes around and proves just how low human intelligence can go.

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If I had a dime for every I.Q. point you don't have, I'd be a millionaire by now!

say what you will...but you're still the one that is responding to your own post.

I stand firmly in the fact that the Kurds are not his people. You seem to be forgetting certain ways that 3rd world countries work...just because you were born and raised there...that doesn't make you one of them. Otherwise I'm half American, quarter Indonesian and a quarter Venezuelan


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If I had a dime for every I.Q. point you don't have, I'd be a millionaire by now!

say what you will...but you're still the one that is responding to your own post.

I stand firmly in the fact that the Kurds are not his people. You seem to be forgetting certain ways that 3rd world countries work...just because you were born and raised there...that doesn't make you one of them. Otherwise I'm half American, quarter Indonesian and a quarter Venezuelan


You are you dumbass. You can't dump your bloodline. Although I wish they would have dumped you. When you reside within the borders of a country and are governed under their laws, no matter how harsh, you are the public of that country. Just because they didn't like each other, doesn't make them independent. Otherwise Hollywood would have seceded from the Union when Bush became President. The people there are Bush's people just as much as the Kurds are/were Saddam's.


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I stand firmly in the fact that the Kurds are not his people. You seem to be forgetting certain ways that 3rd world countries work...just because you were born and raised there...that doesn't make you one of them. Otherwise I'm half American, eighth Indonesian and a eighth Venezuelan, and a quarter moron.



Allow me to reiterate ACK's comment.

Dumbass.


They live INSIDE the indigenous borders of the soveriegn state of IRAQ.

Did you even study Geopolitics in school at all?


And in response to this idiocy:

"I'm one of your "tree huggers" and guess what. I know the war isn't about oil. He didn't do anything to his own people...the Kurds aren't his people..."

http://www.msnbc.com/news/904230.asp?0ql=c9p

Your ignorance is astounding. I never cease being shocked by it.


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If I had a dime for every I.Q. point you don't have, I'd be a millionaire by now!

say what you will...but you're still the one that is responding to your own post.

I stand firmly in the fact that the Kurds are not his people. You seem to be forgetting certain ways that 3rd world countries work...just because you were born and raised there...that doesn't make you one of them. Otherwise I'm half American, quarter Indonesian and a quarter Venezuelan


Just when you thought a person couldn't get that stupid, you prove them wrong every chance you get.

"I stand firmly in the fact that the Kurds are not his people." I don't see how someone could say something that stupid, and yet, you seem to come up with these stupid comments in every reply. Now how is it a fact that these Kurds, who live inside of Iraq, weren't his people? They lived inside of his country, and under his complete control, and yet they weren't his people? Come on, wake up and use that overwhelmingly small mass of jello you call a brain for once.

Lol... Thank you for another really stupid comment, they just keep on coming! "...just because you were born and raised there...that doesn't make you one of them.". So, just because they were born, raised, and are living in Iraq, they're not Iraqi? Yeah I know, you're going to say something stupid like "they're Kurds not Iraqi". Which would be like saying "Since those in California were born, raised, and are living in the USA, they're not American, they're Californian"

"Otherwise I'm half American, quarter Indonesian and a quarter Venezuelan" If you are of American, Indonesian and Venezuelan descent, then yes you are.

"say what you will...but you're still the one that is responding to your own post." Right... Yeah I can see how me quoting and replying to your stupid comments that I'm "responding to my own post". :rolleyes: I see your stupidity has reached new levels yet again.


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I do not think that Saddam considers the Kurds "his people" (which does not justify killing them, ofcourse), even though they live in Iraq.
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I do not think...


Hmmm, you're right.


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US should be "embarrassed" over failure to find WMDs:
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What a load of trash IMO. Or to put it another way : you have to be kidding me.

After I saw the first instance of "*that must have been planted!" I knew exactly where it was going.

So lemme get this straight, when Al-JeezComeOn TV shows the US killing civilians & 75 year old farmers take down Heli's its true BUT when the US presents 'evidence' its false er planted.

*that : anything that supports or works in the US's favor.

Once again, could you maybe give the US shit, 6months a year just sometime a little more. It is *AMAZING* that we must even have this discussion considering the UN and it's stint in Iraq. Who do you think is more observant : Hans Blix or the forner Iraqi Minster Of Information?

So please, pretty please could you realize this point is dead in the water?


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The Kurds aren't considered his people there. You all obviously have no knowledge of foreign politics and morals. In Indonesia...the Muslims dont consider the Christians their people...and vice versa. The Irish Catholics and Protestants have been killing each other for decades...but we not only do nothing there...we are completely ignoring it. Take a position and stick with it...you cant say people are evil for killing their own people and then do nothing about a country thats been torn by it for decades.

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The Kurds aren't considered his people there. You all obviously have no knowledge of foreign politics and morals. In Indonesia...the Muslims dont consider the Christians their people...and vice versa. The Irish Catholics and Protestants have been killing each other for decades...but we not only do nothing there...we are completely ignoring it. Take a position and stick with it...you cant say people are evil for killing their own people and then do nothing about a country thats been torn by it for decades.


And yet, they are STILL Irish.


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The Kurds aren't considered his people there. You all obviously have no knowledge of foreign politics and morals. In Indonesia...the Muslims dont consider the Christians their people...and vice versa. The Irish Catholics and Protestants have been killing each other for decades...but we not only do nothing there...we are completely ignoring it. Take a position and stick with it...you cant say people are evil for killing their own people and then do nothing about a country thats been torn by it for decades.


Oh yes, we're the ones who "obviously have no knowledge of foreign politics and morals". Don't you think that's kind of ironic coming from someone who isn't intelligent enough to come up with something that isn't extremely stupid, or evidence to back anything he says up?

"I know I'm wrong, but maybe if I say they're the ones who don't know anything it'll look like I'm the one who's actually right..."

Sorry but, one religion not liking another religion isn't politics. Just because they don't like the kurds doesn't mean they're not Iraqi. They were born, raised and are living in Iraq, which was his country, which would make them his people, if they liked it or not.

One retarded statement right after the other, it's a wonder how you're able to do it. :rolleyes:


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What's the most widely practice religion in America? Christianity right? So by what you're saying, if the Christians hated the Catholics, or Muslims, or Jews, etc., would they not be considered American? Even though they were born in America, raised in America, and live in America?

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