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| Skin [message #140583] |
Fri, 25 February 2005 14:14   |
icedog90
Messages: 3483
Registered: April 2003
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Heh, I just noticed Warranto, you registered two days after my birthday... Aaaand, today IS my birthday.
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| Skin [message #140612] |
Fri, 25 February 2005 16:18 |
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IRON FART
Messages: 1989
Registered: September 2003
Location: LOS ANGELES
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A. The internet still uses English to communicate. Your job isn't an english class either, yet I dare you to use stuff like this in a business correspondance. (I wait for the day I see "U r" in a business letter)
B. Just because something is acceptable by one person (or group) doesn't make it the correct thing to use. Heck, if this were true, you could call American's "Dogs" and claim it to be 'lingo' simply because a group uses it to describe them.
"skin", wheither is it acceptable or not, is hypocritical if you turn around and call "l337 5p3111|\|6" unacceptable, as it is "internet lingo", when "skin" is also of this form.
I'm not saying you, IRON, ARE a hypocrite. Unless, you are guilty of this.
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The difference between words like "skin" and "1337 Speak" Is that I can understand perfectly what someone is trying to say when they use that word. I can't understand any "1337 speak."
Also, "U" instead of "You" and "r" etc, I can understand what those mean too. I don't trip up over any of those words (or letters I guess)... So I don't see the problem...
Its not entirely correct, but I can understand what someone is saying...
Isn't that what matters?
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Quote from IRC
<[Digital]> get man_fucking_a_car.mpg
<[Digital]> ah fuck wrong window
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| Skin [message #140647] |
Fri, 25 February 2005 19:36 |
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IRON FART
Messages: 1989
Registered: September 2003
Location: LOS ANGELES
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To some extent, understanding is what's most important. However, that doesn't necessarily make it the proper way to spell/speak/whatever.
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Nobody is sayng that it IS the correct use of English.
Problem solved then. ACK, quit whining.
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Quote from IRC
<[Digital]> get man_fucking_a_car.mpg
<[Digital]> ah fuck wrong window
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| Skin [message #140663] |
Fri, 25 February 2005 21:47 |
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| warranto |
To some extent, understanding is what's most important. However, that doesn't necessarily make it the proper way to spell/speak/whatever.
To be more to the point is understanding all that matters? Perhaps, unfortunatly, society is more accepting of stupidity than intelligence. And that's what all those examples show. A complete absence of intellect.
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You got the point. And making hundreds of posts about this 'skin' question, like this stupid moron does, is really idiotic.
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| Skin [message #140669] |
Fri, 25 February 2005 22:38 |
msgtpain
Messages: 663
Registered: March 2003
Location: Montana
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| warranto |
Showing a lack of intelligence by substituting the correct word with something else simply in the name of slang, meanwhile attempting to refute the idea that it ISN'T the correct word is even worse.
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If you're so positive you are correct, what is the rebuttal against all the major game makers using the term themselves? Are we suggesting that the primary users and developers of the technology in the gaming community are just ignorant? It is such a futile argument, that I'm actually quite amazed that you take the stance you do, warranto.. Do a simple search on the Internet, visit the developers sites, read all the documentation that they provide, then come back and tell me that they are all wrong, and you are right..
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| Skin [message #140673] |
Fri, 25 February 2005 22:55 |
msgtpain
Messages: 663
Registered: March 2003
Location: Montana
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It's a WIDELY used and known term for the person that applies textures to a model. I could care less if a "game university" has a "texturing" class, or if the word "texture" in the dictionary has a definition that matches the description.. You simply can't argue that the term has been used and accepted since the earliest days of FPS games. This isn't something new that people began saying as slang, and now need corrected on.. I would argue that it was the original term for the process, and someone just decided that "texture artist" sounded better than "skinner".
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| Skin [message #140679] |
Fri, 25 February 2005 23:42 |
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warranto
Messages: 2584
Registered: February 2003
Location: Alberta, Canada
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| warranto |
Showing a lack of intelligence by substituting the correct word with something else simply in the name of slang, meanwhile attempting to refute the idea that it ISN'T the correct word is even worse.
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If you're so positive you are correct, what is the rebuttal against all the major game makers using the term themselves? Are we suggesting that the primary users and developers of the technology in the gaming community are just ignorant? It is such a futile argument, that I'm actually quite amazed that you take the stance you do, warranto.. Do a simple search on the Internet, visit the developers sites, read all the documentation that they provide, then come back and tell me that they are all wrong, and you are right..
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Slang is slang. It may be an accepted term to use, but it doesn't make it any less "proper". I'm not saying it's completely and utterly wrong to use it, it just shows a lower intellect to argue that anything else is wrong, as some people appear to be dong when they come up with stuff such as "no one cares", and "everyone else does it".
Heck, even I use slang. In Canada, theft is not called theft; it's actually called "conversion", but everyone still calls it theft. Does that mean theft is the incorrect term to use? Yes, it is. However it's a common phrase, so people use it. It doesn't make it any better, though, when it is supposed to be called conversion.
Perhpas to clarify some point to avoid confusion. Slang isn't wrong, as it it is a generally accepted form to use. It's simply not proper to use slang over the correct term. The "lack of intellect" simply refers to people using arguements against the proper use of the term, not the use of the term itself.
I'm not attempting to argue that it is absolutely wrong to use, but rather that having Aircraftkiller correct people isn't wrong either, as it is proper to use the correct term rather than slang.
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| Skin [message #140680] |
Fri, 25 February 2005 23:57 |
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NeoSaber
Messages: 336
Registered: February 2003
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| msgtpain |
If you're so positive you are correct, what is the rebuttal against all the major game makers using the term themselves? Are we suggesting that the primary users and developers of the technology in the gaming community are just ignorant? It is such a futile argument, that I'm actually quite amazed that you take the stance you do, warranto.. Do a simple search on the Internet, visit the developers sites, read all the documentation that they provide, then come back and tell me that they are all wrong, and you are right..
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According to Discreet's Gmax User Reference, skins are the 3D mesh itself and not the texture applied onto it. A quick search of the user reference for the word 'skin' returns 18 entries. 17 of the 18 are all referring to the 3D mesh of a model or modifiers that bend that 3D mesh. 1 of the 18 entries uses the word skin like this:
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Bitmaps are useful for creating many kinds of materials, from wood grains and wall surfaces to skin and feathers.
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Quite literally referring to the look of biological skin and the way bitmaps can mimic the appearance. It would appear that in the documentation Discreet provided for the public, they do not consider a skin to be a texture. They define it as the mesh of the model itself.
Feel free to ignore me though, everyone else seems to when I bring this up.
NeoSaber
Renegade Map Maker at CnC Source
Animator/Compiler/Level Editor/Object Rigger/Programmer for Red Alert: A Path Beyond
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| Skin [message #140692] |
Sat, 26 February 2005 05:05 |
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Most of the people who work in game industry decided to call that a skin just because it's a texture applied on a model... Like you can see the human skin is applied on the human body. Nowadays it's a normal use. Language that never evolve die just like Latin...
(now plz go outside and take deep breathe ack, it will help you)
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| Skin [message #140724] |
Sat, 26 February 2005 09:45 |
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IRON FART
Messages: 1989
Registered: September 2003
Location: LOS ANGELES
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It's a WIDELY used and known term for the person that applies textures to a model.
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If it is widely used enough, then thats how it becomes a proper word.
Nobody is refuting that skin is the incorrect word. N-O-B-O-D-Y!
But nobody cares either if it is the correct word. (Besides ACK).
Its a very widely used term across the gaming industry. If you tell someone "Hey, I downloaded a skin," or, "Hey, I'm going to make a skin," Then they will understand you. If you tell someone "Hey, I'm going to download a tex..." Then it's not the same is it?
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English, and since we're all online communicating in a way that is otherwise informal just about all of the time, "skin" is acceptable.
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Thank god. I have seen the glimmer of light.
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Quote from IRC
<[Digital]> get man_fucking_a_car.mpg
<[Digital]> ah fuck wrong window
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