| Renegade Patch [message #140331] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 06:20  |
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Dreaming about it ? Might be possible.
Because of German community and their Aceton anti-cheat program, the Generals ZH expansion is gettinga new patch.
Want the same for Renegade ? It's possible. I have someone that can reach the top of EA germany, so what do we do ?
Any idea about a nice email to write ?
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| Renegade Patch [message #140332] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 06:30  |
genetix
Messages: 392
Registered: July 2003
Location: Saskatchewan Canada
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I'm sure emails have been sent. ZH is still a fairly new game.
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| Renegade Patch [message #140334] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 06:40 |
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reborn
Messages: 3231
Registered: September 2004
Location: uk - london
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if this really is possible i would suggest that we all back BHS and ask for them to be given access to the WOL servers for renegade for a restart when neccessary, and to have a final patch 1.038 with a big map pack that everyone must download, and for it to also include renguard which MUST be configured to auto update.
If we send them an e-mail as a community and all support BHS that would be cool.
I know some people might not like RG, or even BHS for that matter, but at least a compulsary download of a huge map pack would be nice...
and also all the source code would be nice.
but i think that this is as likely to happen as me win the lottery, people have tried this, petitions signed, votes cast, its all been said and done, but still would be nice if possible.
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| Renegade Patch [message #140339] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 07:15 |
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Renardin (02:16 PM) :
As I can see, generals zh gained a new patch with anti cheat and fixes just because of the german players and there aceton anti cheat program, what about doing the same for Renegade, I know somebody who worked and still has contact with EA germany, it's about time to gain official patch and a resurrection of Renegade website...
mac (02:36 PM) :
Go for it?
Renardin (03:13 PM) :
OK
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Let's try then...
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| Renegade Patch [message #140355] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 10:57 |
Weirdo
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Registered: March 2003
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=gbull=[L]=]EA no longer makes money on this game, they wont give support for it. The only option on the table is the BHS idea.
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Actually, it might be good for there promotion of newer C&C games if they put some BHS stuff in a real patch. I don't know how much effort it would take for them to do something like that. But maybe the promotion is good enough to do it.
Specially since, EA's Reputation for support C&C games might need a boost.
Size doesn't matter.
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| Renegade Patch [message #140369] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 12:40 |
Chronojam
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Registered: March 2003
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Why would EA want to release an almost-dead game which gets no support as it is?
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I doubt this argument could be used to get them to release some source code to us, but maybe it'd help convince them that something should be done. It's not our fault it's almost-dead, after all. They allegedly have a team together purposely to work with older, almost-dead games, right?
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| Renegade Patch [message #140378] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 13:58 |
JPNOD
Messages: 807
Registered: April 2004
Location: Area 51
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Sounds good to me.
Its worth a try, I'd say go for it.
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| Renegade Patch [message #140379] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 14:03 |
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Oblivion165
Messages: 3468
Registered: June 2003
Location: Hendersonville, North Car...
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man, imagine all that could be done with the renegade source code.
WOL: Ob165ion Skype: Oblivion165 Yahoo Instant Messenger: CaptainJohn165
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| Renegade Patch [message #140390] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 15:35 |
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Oblivion165
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| Blazer |
I doubt they would ever give out source code. But at supporting WOL would be nice.
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Well developers do it all the time. The Quake 1 and 2 sources are out now.
Same as Duke 3d
WOL: Ob165ion Skype: Oblivion165 Yahoo Instant Messenger: CaptainJohn165
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| Renegade Patch [message #140398] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 16:12 |
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IRON FART
Messages: 1989
Registered: September 2003
Location: LOS ANGELES
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If we do this as a community, then any change we make will have to be subtle and please everyone.
If EA goes along with this, I doubt that they will release much of any source, and they would only allow limited access to things.
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Quote from IRC
<[Digital]> get man_fucking_a_car.mpg
<[Digital]> ah fuck wrong window
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| Renegade Patch [message #140428] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 17:59 |
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IRON FART
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Listen to Blazer. ^^^
They'll never release source. The most they will do is give someone a little more access to WOL.
But there can't be any significant Renegade update without the source. Therefore the community will only be able oto make stuff like RG and CP1. Not much more.
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Quote from IRC
<[Digital]> get man_fucking_a_car.mpg
<[Digital]> ah fuck wrong window
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| Renegade Patch [message #140432] |
Thu, 24 February 2005 19:12 |
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just think about RA3 and LOTR:BFME... Those games use or will use 'sage' engine... wich is a w3d engine.
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| Renegade Patch [message #140468] |
Fri, 25 February 2005 00:10 |
EA-DamageEverything
Messages: 423
Registered: January 2005
Location: Germany
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| FMreborn |
and to have a final patch 1.038 with a big map pack that everyone must download, and for it to also include renguard which MUST be configured to auto update.
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100% agree with this! Set all Servers up to Full-RG and all players must get certain mappacks by the autoupdate. This would be the way to solve the problem that we ain´t got enough fanmap-providing Servers and not all players have the CorePatches...
But its not a good Idea binding another Anticheat Tool into Renegade. Not really. The Renegade Community together updates this game internal without EA and its good. RenGuard works fine on 99% of all players and one Tool more may cause complications client-server/server-client sided. Server runs with RenGuard SSC and the client runs Aceton? How would the 2 different programs communicate?
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And to the other Ideas: I am wondering why most of the ppl playing every day on WOL is too dumb/unable/lazy to download a few Fanmaps from the popular and well-known download databases? There are many young ppl playing (young=under 18 ) and nearly all of them do know how to download something and how to install it. So where is the problem that 95% of all AOW servers are running Westwood+CP1 maps? New maps are made for being played and try something new -NEW is the important word I think.
New functions have been added (IE SS-CP1.3 & Scripts 2.01) and the whole community accepts and loves them (Crates, wreckages, Dragonade mod @black-cell...etc). Computers getting faster and better, so why do we have this annoying situation? I found out that one of the problems is: You will find ANY information about Renegade you want -but on 99,999 different websites!
I am a german player, I think Germany has one of the greatest Renegade Comunnitites along the US- and UK-Community  (ok there are maybe 30% german servers in comparison to the rest UK/NL/US, but look at GaySpy/ASE: 60% in comparison to the servers with an US-Flag).
It would be a step forward to centralize all information like in this great forum here! I wrote something similar to this in the german Forum at http://www.cncforen.de (Topic: Zusätzliches Forum für Blackhand) with my Nick Basishure. If some of you understand german or are germans read it if you want. BTW, mac is posting there too.
Damn big post here, sorry. but finally I must add congrats to Alkaline! Unrules has got a simple but very effective concept: Providing the maps needed to play on their servers in mappacks and get a strong community of ppl who exactly want to play these maps! Some donate money to keep the servers alive and have fun playing on them. Thats the way it should be.
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| Renegade Patch [message #140497] |
Fri, 25 February 2005 05:27 |
EA-DamageEverything
Messages: 423
Registered: January 2005
Location: Germany
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As long as thousands of ppl log in every month on WOL, I think EA will not shutdown the server and install another Gamelisting Service on it.
You´re right we cannot force players to use RG immediately and for the rest of their life. But we must do our homework today: Explain those newbies and RG-Haters in an understandable way why they should use this Tool. The reason is being showed in some RG-Messages: With RG you get unofficial patches....blah......prevents you from being accused to cheat...blah!
The first step to acclimate Renegade users was the Half-RG mode. So far so good. Players can join without RG and can read why it would be better with RG. In some cases, good Snipers were accused of cheating although they didn´t cheat. Just as an example...Some ppl were argueing RG causes bad lag issues. RG takes a minimum of kbits to hold a stable connection to the RG servers. In summary there are really NO facts against RG and my humble opinion is that it is just recommended to use it due to the fact there are more or less cheaters on WOL....ok on other games too.
I have Wolfenstein ET and for example, PunkBuster is implemented in the setup. Surely i can choose if I enable it or not but it´s explained while installing the game why man should better use it. Sad , RG was released AFTER Renegade was out.
K dudes, any other ideas which can be done easier?
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