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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #136803] Mon, 07 February 2005 10:02 Go to next message
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Name yours.

Mine:
Useless Vehicles
1. Transport Heli's
2. Buggy rarely accomplishes anything

Infrantry
1. Chem Trooper
2. Tyb Sydney
3. Flame Trooper
4. Patch
5. 500$ Snipers
Re: Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #136807] Mon, 07 February 2005 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sniprs

Name yours.

Mine:
Useless Vehicles
2. Buggy rarely accomplishes anything


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Bug pwns on city. I actually perfer the bug to the humv becuase of speed, size and cost. I regret buying it, however, when I encounter a humv solo however. Dead

Useless Vehicles
1. Transport Heli's
2. Tiberium Harvester (mutation map) 1400 for NOTHING! Razz It's # 2 because it's slightly amusing.
3. Light Tank

Infrantry
1. Nod Soldier
2. Flame Trooper
3. Shotgun Soldier (generally speaking)
4. Tyb Syd
5. Patch (hate him)


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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #136851] Mon, 07 February 2005 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't get it, if your talking about naming off things were not good with then

Vecs: Artilery / MRLS
Characters: Im good with all of them, pure pwnage.


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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #136885] Mon, 07 February 2005 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In my opinion there are no useless vehicles they all have a functions but not all vehecles are useful in all maps. like on hourglass buggys/humv are usless on other maps like city/walls they can be good.

as for char i think flametroup, shutgun and tib syd suck and maybe chem trop also
Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #136925] Mon, 07 February 2005 20:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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All the vehicles are good in my opinion.
As for characters. Tib Sydney justs sucks! Although the shotgun seems pointless they are good in close quater combat and you can rack up the points with them and vehicles. Patch is only good against Infantry and light armored vehicles(ie Buggies and Altys/MRLS)! Everything else is fair game!


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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #136935] Mon, 07 February 2005 21:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mine:
Useless Vehicles
1. Transport Heli's
2. Buggy rarely accomplishes anything

Infrantry
1. Chem Trooper
2. Tyb Sydney
3. Flame Trooper
4. Patch
5. 500$ Snipers


Transport Helis...Definately. Bad armor, no weapon, moving target. Can get to higher ground though. CAN be useful if used right.

Buggy. Owns big time on City. You can rush ANY building on GDI on City with a buggy besides Barracks.
Go to WF
Go to WF...Heal...Go to AGT
Go past WF to Ref
Go past WF past Ref to PP
Go Past Barracks to PP
Go to Barracks...Heal...Go to AGT

Rushing the powerplant directly is very effective. One engineer and one tech can easily take it down. You can also do this very early on.

Chem trooper...Very good when standing on a Tib Field. Inflicts good damage although not long range.

Tib Sydney. Good range, good damage. Although not very tactical.

Flame trooper...Good damage on Harvester. Thats about it though.

Patch...Good weapon.

500 Snipers. These are worth it if you are a really good sniper. If you are good enough, you can make it last and still no get owned. At the same time, if you do happen to die, you would still be able to buy another one faster.

I'd say my most useless units are the Nod/GDI Officers and again, the Transport.


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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #136958] Tue, 08 February 2005 00:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree with the comments that say it depends upon the map. I think you have to be able to use all vehicles to be "well rounded" or a Pro as some put it for this game. In the right hands regardless of the side, your vehicle can own. I can take out a Med with a Stank, or a Stank with a Med. Arti with a Mrl or a Mrl with an Arti. I think you get the theme.

The only vehicle I have no use for and only use when screwing around is the transport. (stacking "giggle") If you can rush in that and succeed, the other team is really not that good. I have yet to see a successful rush in one. Cool


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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #136981] Tue, 08 February 2005 07:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am not talking about in big games, in small games (usually clanwars), if you waste money on a chem warrior, tib syd, 500 sniper, you will lose, they server no purpose in winning you the game. The ONLY time a 500 sniper could work would be at the end of a game to cover a becon from long range, or to defend once the other team has long their airstrip/barracks.

And still, a ramjet would work better.


And for the buggy, notice I said RARELY accomplishes anything.
Yes, they can work sometimes at the start of a game on city flying, and yes humvees are good for the start of a game on complex. That's about it though.

I cant believe you said light tanks, those are one of the MOST usefull tanks in this game.. if nod didnt have lights they would never win on field ( highly played map ), city flying (another highly played map), under, and pretty much anything with defences (including all the new maps).
Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #136995] Tue, 08 February 2005 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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light tanks = useless? wow what version of ren are you playing

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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137000] Tue, 08 February 2005 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah he's an idiot, that made me laugh my ass off.
Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137008] Tue, 08 February 2005 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1. This is in my opinion.
2. It is only useless to ME becuase I have never used a light tank and I probably never will.
3. Sniprs please don't flame until you have an intellegent decision or you have more info. That was totally not called for.


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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137052] Tue, 08 February 2005 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You really have no fucking idea what you are talking about SuperMidget.

You dont have a clue how badly you would lose to me in a 1v1 as well
Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137089] Tue, 08 February 2005 17:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rag week?

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Re: Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137120] Tue, 08 February 2005 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sniprs

Name yours.

Mine:
Useless Vehicles
1. Transport Heli's
2. Buggy rarely accomplishes anything

Infrantry
1. Chem Trooper
2. Tyb Sydney
3. Flame Trooper
4. Patch
5. 500$ Snipers


Tranny: yes....buggy: only good on City

I agree with all the infrantry except patch and $500 snipers :S patch friggin kills other infrantry if you know how to use him, and $500 snipers....I dont even know how that is an issue, using $500 shows skill in sniping, I easily kill other infrantry with these bad boys
Re: Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137171] Tue, 08 February 2005 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree with all the infrantry except patch and $500 snipers :S patch friggin kills other infrantry if you know how to use him, and $500 snipers....I dont even know how that is an issue, using $500 shows skill in sniping, I easily kill other infrantry with these bad boys


There is no reason to purchase a Patch unless you are for some reason permanently unable to afford a Mobius. Officers kill infantry just as well as Patch, are a lot cheaper, and don't have the problem of not being able to damage Chemwarriors like Patch does. Patch also can't kill a building by himself, while his Nod counterpart (the SBH) can do this with ammo to spare AND can cloak AND does excellent damage to both vehicles and infantry, unlike Patch. While I agree that Patch is a bad man, in almost every situation there are better alternatives. Gunner is a better deal in the same character range, for example.


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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137218] Wed, 09 February 2005 07:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In aow, you cant rack up many points with snipers. I am talking about in 2v2's and 3v3's here people, if you waste money on any infrantry other than a ramjet or a tech, you'd probably lose the game unless you were playing terrible players.

This game is won by tanks, in most every map.
No truely useless weapons in Renegade. [message #137454] Thu, 10 February 2005 09:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have found that there are notany useless vehicles in Renegade. It's one of the most balanced games ever made in my opinion. Everything has its place, but very few can utilize them correctly or effectively. With the exception of the atry and the mam, all the vehicles can cover alot of ground quickly. That makes even to weakest rides useful if you can exploit the situation.
Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137458] Thu, 10 February 2005 10:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Transport heli's = useless


And dude, the art is nods most useful vehicle on most maps, with an exception of flying maps.
Re: No truely useless weapons in Renegade. [message #137462] Thu, 10 February 2005 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's one of the most balanced games ever made in my opinion. .

I can agree until we get to the Ramjet / Orca or Apache issue.


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I've found that it's not the character or vehicle that is the issue, rather the players handling of such a character or vehicle Razz

As the saying goes: The car is only as good as the driver!


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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137548] Thu, 10 February 2005 17:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IMHO, the only truly useless vehicle is the transport heli...there aren't many places to go on any map that you can't reach with a regular APC, and that has a gun...and the heli is just so damned vulnerable to snipers. Even a poor shot like myself can only think of it as target practice.

The only useless infantry is the flamethrower (only because it is so outclassed by the chem trooper).

TAR Sydney is one of the few infantry I can reliably get kills with- good range, good damage, splash damage, and relatively good fire rate with decent health. Even when Patch and other advanced anti-infantry chars open up, I still find myself sticking with Sydney (when I'm not playing Mr./Ms. Fix-It, that is). A different set of skills is all you need to be good or bad with a particular character. Some people are great snipers, others are godly up close with a shotgun. I find my niche with the Repair Gun and TAR.


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Re: No truely useless weapons in Renegade. [message #137565] Thu, 10 February 2005 18:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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modemmack

It's one of the most balanced games ever made in my opinion. .

I can agree until we get to the Ramjet / Orca or Apache issue.


On topic
I've found that it's not the character or vehicle that is the issue, rather the players handling of such a character or vehicle Razz

As the saying goes: The car is only as good as the driver!


If ramjets didnt do as much damage to flying vehicles, gdi would always win because orcas are so fucking good.
Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137583] Thu, 10 February 2005 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The GDI rocketofficer is useless for the wrong reason; slow moving static rockets miss human players so much.

tiberium sydneys don't really have a use; you're better off using a GDI soldier. it's one of the developing lowpoints of renegade. hell they might as well have made the tib sydney a free character.
Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137608] Thu, 10 February 2005 23:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tiberium sydneys don't really have a use; you're better off using a GDI soldier. it's one of the developing lowpoints of renegade. hell they might as well have made the tib sydney a free character.


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Against light armor per clip, the rifle soldier only does 30 less damage... so early game you might as well just take the free soldier. Against heavy armor though, Sydney wins out. She does get more life and is a smaller target as well. Honestly though, she is outclassed by just about every other character in the game, free characters included.


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Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137658] Fri, 11 February 2005 07:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dude, a gdi soldier does so much more damage trust me, and much more accurate. Tyb syd = waste, and useless.

The WORST character in a game, it is a joke
Completly Useless vehicles/infrantry [message #137693] Fri, 11 February 2005 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Now she's OK for giving teammates a hand in defeating a heavy-type vehicle but against a smaller, fast vehicle she's awful in comparison to the GDI soldier as most of his shots will actually hit. Since you need to get close to ensure accuracy the vehicle will probably kill her, not to mention it'll take her 10 seconds to dish out 120 damage against vehicles which have either 800, 600 or 400 health in total. she's a support unit that loses out when alone. Sad

of course it you can pick up, say, a GDI rifle then she's better than a soldier because she has more health and is smaller.
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