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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:28

Jecht
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So Java, are you saying you wouldnt kill him? because what if he shoots you after you think youve dissabled him, but failed? your arguments are complete bullshit, you would be a deadman in such a situation. And i know this might sound wierd, NOT EVERYONE KNOWS CQC! i know, surprising huh. :rolleyes:

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:30

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Police learn to aim for non-vital, but disabling parts of the body to shoot.

You obviously do not know any cops, almost all of them will tell you that they won't shoot someone unless they intend to kill them.

Anyone that is trained to use a gun is taught to shoot center mass, no one is taught shoot to injure. It is only shoot to kill.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:35

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=[DT

=gbull=[L]=]So Java, are you saying you wouldnt kill him? because what if he shoots you after you think youve dissabled him, but failed? your arguments are complete bullshit, you would be a deadman in such a situation. And i know this might sound wierd, NOT EVERYONE KNOWS CQC! i know, surprising huh. :rolleyes:

I have some CQC training, so I would know whether or not the necessity to kill was real. In most cases, believe it or not, it isn't. Since I'm assuming you haven't had any kind of training whatsoever, I guess I'm wasting my time trying to educate you.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:35

Jecht
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Hehe, Java left. Guess he realized that Im right. Perhaps common sense finally caught up to him.

nevermind...... :rolleyes:

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:35

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Idiot?

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:36

Jecht
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look at the damn edit. and look where we are talking, how could you possibly teach me CQC over a message board? Laughing

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:37

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=[DT

=gbull=[L]=]Hehe, Java left. Guess he realized that Im right. Perhaps common sense finally caught up to him.

nevermind...... :rolleyes:

Obviously he was taking the time to write out a better response than yours (and amazingly spelling everything right in the process).

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:38

Jecht
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Why are you here Aurora? leave, you contribute nothing.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:38

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I wasn't trying to to teach you the process. I was trying to inform you that you speak in nothing but vacuous platitudes out of genuine ignorance to reality. CQC DOES say otherwise to your little senario, and you are still wrong.

Like I said, if you want to learn more about it, go to that link I provided.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:40

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the average person doesnt know these methods and you know it. And this also wouldnt help you if your ten foot away from the criminal.

and i do know some martial arts, but very little.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:41

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You asked what "I" would do, not what the average person would do. It's fairly unproductive to bounce around an issue when you can't keep your own position straight.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:42

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Ten feet away has nothing to do with the scenario in question. The scenario deals with *drumroll* A GUN TO YOUR HEAD.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:42

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=gbull=[L]=]and i do know some martial arts, but very little.

See that's where natural selection comes in.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:42

Jecht
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gbull

And this also wouldnt help you if your ten foot away from the criminal.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:45

warranto
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gbull, read my last 2 posts. Perhaps they can enlighten you to your position, at least a bit.

[Updated on: Sat, 29 January 2005 21:46]

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:45

Javaxcx
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That wasn't the situation you outlined, so it is moot.

Nice try though. Laughing

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:47

Jecht
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That scenario was never outlined by ME. So I repeat:

gbull

And this also wouldnt help you if your ten foot away from the criminal.

and Aurora, i dont see you jumping on warranto's case about mis-spelling.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:49

warranto
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missing a letter that I eventually caught is not the same a substituting letters with something not related to keyboarding errors.

enighten only misses the "l"
"wut" not only misses the "ha", it doesn't even qualify as a keyboarding error.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:50

Jecht
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lets not stray from the subject matter, i really dont care about misspellings i was mearly making a point.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:51

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=[DT

=gbull=[L]=]ya, u say that when he holds a gun to you.

Your definition of "holding a gun to [someone]" is quite different then what it actually is. It's not "10 feet away", it is a close-quarters confrontation.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:52

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hehe, your assuming again. I didnt say a distance for a REASON. Because I was thinking on the larger scale. Whos narrow-minded now.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:53

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I think he means a magnum with a 10 foot barrel.

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See that's where natural selection comes in.

ROFL
Biology is useful all of a sudden!

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Police shoot to kill as a last resort. By that I mean they will aim for the upper chest to hit the heart, or somewhere around. They will probably puncture a lung in the process.

But if they aim a little lower down, they aren't going to kill the person. If they hit the liver, it will regenerate. They may aim for the legs or possibly shoulder. Any other organs in that area could probably be healed in a hospital.

It all depends on the senario. If its a robber who stole from a 7/11 and is running away, the police won't shoot to kill, they will shoot to disable. In this senario where the criminal has a gun to someone's head, they would shoot to kill.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:53

warranto
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on the subject matter then, the entire discussion about being able to stop someone dealt with a gun being to someones head. You decided to change the situation, and then used that to counter the answer to the previous situation.

Fallacious reasoning or what?

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:55

Jecht
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i said holding a gun to your head, I never said at point blank or even a distance for that matter. your out foxed here, move on because your not making a point for yourself.

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Sat, 29 January 2005 21:56

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at 10 feet away you can run for it Very Happy

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