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| America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #133302] |
Fri, 21 January 2005 14:56   |
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Crimson
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That is approval. You approve of things that are cool.
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"approval" and "thinking someone is cool" do not go hand in hand. You may feel both ways about some people, but you can have one without the other.
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It's not unfortunate, people should think they are good. If not, you end up in the gutter. Your attitude determines a lot of your behavior and where you will end up in life.
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I did say it's good to have a positive self image. The "Unfortunately" part is that more than 49.9% of people think they are "above average" meaning lots of them are wrong.
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What I mean is that I don't hold them in disdain because I think I am better, I hold them in disdain because of the fact that I think they are worse. There's a difference. I don't generally have an opinion about someone, good or bad, until I see them make an action I approve or disprove of. Thus, the great majority of the world's people will never have judgment passed on them by me, since I will probably never know them. I can still make generalizations like everyone else though.
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Well, if you hold "pretty much everyone and everything" in disdain, you must approve of very little. Very strange that you can be so altruistic towards people that you mostly disapprove of.
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They shouldn't NEED to be protected... You never saw cities being locked down for prior inaugurations.
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I don't see how the potential of a bunch of religious whackos attacking the ceremony makes us a bad country?
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I'm not sure yet, I am trying to weigh whether moving anywhere else would be a step up or not.
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But if America is such a hole, then surely this wouldn't be a concern.
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If I can get more positive benefit than negative, I will.
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And you don't get that here?
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Right now, I'd like to check out some of Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, or Japan perhaps. Canada is not out of the question I suppose, but it is too damn cold there.
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Canada, from all I've heard, is what America would be if Democrats had their way. Good luck. I hear New Zealand is pretty. I can also suggest Belgium, where work is required by law to stop at 5pm and Sunday. (I'm just pulling that from memory so I might be off on the times)
I'm the bawss.
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| America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #133310] |
Fri, 21 January 2005 16:15 |
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Deathgod
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| Crimson |
"approval" and "thinking someone is cool" do not go hand in hand. You may feel both ways about some people, but you can have one without the other.
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I disagree, but I suppose this is an issue of semantics more than anything else.
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I did say it's good to have a positive self image. The "Unfortunately" part is that more than 49.9% of people think they are "above average" meaning lots of them are wrong.
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Here's a secret: more than 80% of the populace is wrong most of the time anyhow.
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Well, if you hold "pretty much everyone and everything" in disdain, you must approve of very little. Very strange that you can be so altruistic towards people that you mostly disapprove of.
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I do approve of very little, I'd have thought that was clear. The list of things in my life that I approve of is dwarfed by the list of things I don't. That doesn't mean I don't still appreciate the former, though. That makes them all the sweeter to me. And it is actually pretty easy to be an altruist and still dislike people in general. I don't go out of my way to be a prick to people and am a very helpful person in real life, but I have no patience for people who aren't willing to work on their own or people who choose to be ignorant. You might be surprised by this, but pretty much everyone I encounter IRL wants to be friends with me, and until I they show me they're an idiot I'll be their pal.
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I don't see how the potential of a bunch of religious whackos attacking the ceremony makes us a bad country?
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That doesn't, it's our response to the fact that jihadis could bomb us that makes us bad. When people are motivated by violent actions, crushing them under the iron heel of 'liberty' is not going to smooth things over, and neither will making our own populace live in fear of a constant yet nebulous threat.
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But if America is such a hole, then surely this wouldn't be a concern.
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I think most places are probably holes, it's a matter of finding one that doesn't stink as bad. Nothing is perfect as long as people are involved.
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And you don't get that here?
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Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I'm perfectly willing to leave and see if I can better my fortunes, though. People who just accept their lot and never try to change it are sad individuals, and I'm tired of being surrounded by sad.
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Canada, from all I've heard, is what America would be if Democrats had their way. Good luck. I hear New Zealand is pretty. I can also suggest Belgium, where work is required by law to stop at 5pm and Sunday. (I'm just pulling that from memory so I might be off on the times)
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Well, Canada gets bonus points because of the FUD connection, and I'd like to check out Montreal because I have heard it is excellent. Everything I have seen about New Zealand is the shit, so unless there are roaming bands of thieves or something I think I will be happy there. Actually, that might be more enticing with the thieves.
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| America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #133325] |
Fri, 21 January 2005 17:55 |
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I don't really understand what you think will make those like Al Qaeda not want us all dead.
I'm the bawss.
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| America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #133355] |
Fri, 21 January 2005 19:54 |
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maybe more funds and effort should be spent towards anti-terrorism intelligence, security at airports stuff like that, instead of actual warmongering?
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| America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #133406] |
Fri, 21 January 2005 22:36 |
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Javaxcx
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Location: Canada, eh?
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You didn't go into Iraq to liberate the people. This is a fairly common misconception on your part. Iraq was invaded in March to enforce resolution 687 (illegally, remember) and 1441. An attempt for justification comes from the idea that there was a threat (not imminent, mind you) posed by Iraq. Such a thing is infinitely debatable, and it all relies on your definition of "threat" and what the coalition knew on March 18th, 2003.
Liberating the people, as a reason to going to war, is something called a Coup D'etats. By all standards, American as well, this is illegal-- and would never fly in any recognized court known to man. Remember kid, just about every coup d'etats in the history of mankind has attempted to be justified by the idea that "OMG WERE SAVIN PPL LOUGHL". And while it might be true (at least in the short term), if you choose to believe this was your reasoning and justification for going to war-- thanks for proving my point that it was illegal in the first place. Now, your administration is dumb, but not that dumb. They must've known (I can only hope) that such a reasoning would never even get through congress. The illegality of it is just blantantly obvious.
Bush's speeches and addresses prior to the invasion laid out the same rhetoric. "Iraq is a threat to America because we know Saddam has WMD and may give them to terrorists". He did NOT say (or even imply) "we are going to Iraq for the purpose of overthrowing the government and liberating the people".
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| America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #133433] |
Sat, 22 January 2005 05:10 |
Spoony_old
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it is actually omg, because if an iraqi or afghani is killed wtf chances are he was a terrorist so no problemo.
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| America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #133437] |
Sat, 22 January 2005 06:01 |
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cowmisfit
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You didn't go into Iraq to liberate the people. This is a fairly common misconception on your part. Iraq was invaded in March to enforce resolution 687 (illegally, remember) and 1441. An attempt for justification comes from the idea that there was a threat (not imminent, mind you) posed by Iraq. Such a thing is infinitely debatable, and it all relies on your definition of "threat" and what the coalition knew on March 18th, 2003.
Liberating the people, as a reason to going to war, is something called a Coup D'etats. By all standards, American as well, this is illegal-- and would never fly in any recognized court known to man. Remember kid, just about every coup d'etats in the history of mankind has attempted to be justified by the idea that "OMG WERE SAVIN PPL LOUGHL". And while it might be true (at least in the short term), if you choose to believe this was your reasoning and justification for going to war-- thanks for proving my point that it was illegal in the first place. Now, your administration is dumb, but not that dumb. They must've known (I can only hope) that such a reasoning would never even get through congress. The illegality of it is just blantantly obvious.
Bush's speeches and addresses prior to the invasion laid out the same rhetoric. "Iraq is a threat to America because we know Saddam has WMD and may give them to terrorists". He did NOT say (or even imply) "we are going to Iraq for the purpose of overthrowing the government and liberating the people".
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Once again you go back to OMG ITS NOT LLEGAL1111. I said it once i'll say it again, YOU ARE A COWARD. We don't care if its "llegal" or not, were helping thousnads of people and continuing the march of freedom. If you can't support going around the law and stopping the murder of innocent woman and children then i feel sorry for you
We didn't go there under the banner of "saving people" we went there under the banner of overthrowing a evil tyrant with weapons of mass destruction (that had been threatened to use against us and had been used against his own people) , and free a nation afterwards that had been under the power of Saddam for years. ITS THE WAR ON TERRORISIM, NOT THE WAR ON AFGANISTAN, NOT THE WAR ON AL QUADIA, ITS THE WAR ON TERRORISIM. Saddam was a terrorist, he supported and funded murder of innocent isrelies , his own people, and no telling how many thousands around the wolrd.
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| America Makes "Gay Bomb" [message #133448] |
Sat, 22 January 2005 07:28 |
Spoony_old
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=gbull=[L]=]Did I say there were people killing us in our country since 9/11? Im just saying we hit them before they hit us again. And the fact that some past injustices we may have caused to them before most of our time mind you, Is no justification for the murder of 3000 Americans. Quit trying to defend terrorrists.
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this argument makes sense. Ironically, it also makes sense if you turn it upside down.
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